Razgriz-Specter
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No, its the only good part if nothing else.
A really good part imo.
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COMICS! |OT| April 2013. Trapped in humorless world, Prankster decides to end it all.
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A really good part imo.
SpiderJerusalem
Banned
and Dustin Nguyen is soo good
I'm not sure if anyone cares but if any of you guys have a Books-A-Million store near you they have a bunch of graphic novels put in with the bargin books. I'm pretty sure it's not just my store and it's mostly older stuff. I think they do it every year around this time.
Most of the hardbacks are reduced to $7.99 and paperbacks are a few bucks cheaper than that.
Most of the hardbacks are reduced to $7.99 and paperbacks are a few bucks cheaper than that.
SpiderJerusalem
Banned
oh yea I've been going every other week for a month or two and getting things. I wish it wasn't just Marvel though. I used to go before but it gets me in trouble lol
Spike Spiegel
Member
Thanks for the heads-up; last time my local BAM did this I loaded up (or was that Barnes & Noble?).
Sooooo good. One of my favorites.
edit: oh, you were joking ;[ or my sarcasm detector is broken.
TODAY IN "FUCKING DC CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT" NEWS: They passed on Michael Avon Oeming doing art on Katana.
Fucking hell how does anyone at DC's upper management is not out of a fucking job is BEYOND ME.
Fucking hell how does anyone at DC's upper management is not out of a fucking job is BEYOND ME.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Can't fault them too hard man, Michael Oeming is definitely an acquired taste.
GrandHarrier
Member
That... Kind of looks meh? If one finds fault with Katana the art really isn't it, imo.
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
Yeah man. DC - home of solid, boring fucking comics. Got something weird and original? Go to image then, we got no time for your creativity...
interesting take on the scarecrow. I like it.
GrandHarrier
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You are calling alot of amazing artists "solid and boring" in your broad, sweeping disdain.
GrandHarrier
Member
You should check out books, they might suit your needs better brah.
I herd you liek art. You should check out paintings, friend.
GrandHarrier
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Don't call me friend, pal. *sic
Art is equally important as story. Bad art brings a story down. Good art enhances it.
Asrar's art keeps me enjoying Supergirl when the current story isn't as good.
When people praise Hawkeye, half the time it's because of Aja's art.
"Bad" art is incredibly subjective though. Especially when you see so many different artist styles out there. Bad proportion and just badly drawn art is quite different from a unique stylization or a certain artistic vision.
Bad stories are less so, and they can be a major chore to read, and a tragic waste of good art. Flipping through pages of crap in 5 minutes is a horrible way to waste 4 bucks on pretty pictures.
vv: history hasn't learned from Image comic's mistakes.
Bad stories are less so, and they can be a major chore to read, and a tragic waste of good art. Flipping through pages of crap in 5 minutes is a horrible way to waste 4 bucks on pretty pictures.
vv: history hasn't learned from Image comic's mistakes.
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
Yeah, fuck em. I'm all about sweeping disdain.
DC has a HANDFUL of very good artists (that for some reason they keep letting write books too...) and a fucking shitload of generic boring ones.
GrandHarrier
Member
Bad stories are also subjective. Our whole medium is.
Example: H'el may have been a mediocre story, but I can enjoy fight scenes, enjoy Wonder Woman v. Supergirl, and get satisfaction out of it.
On the flip side, terrible art can push me away from a good story. I'm not a Marvel guy but I was kind of interested in Captain Marvel. But the god awful art dissuaded me.
Of course it's all subjective in a way. Depends on how discerning your tastes are. A book of great artwork with drek for a story, and again, why bother reading comics? Art is important, but without a good story, eventually you're just wasting your time and money on picture books. Unless you are *really* visually oriented. But if you have a great story, that's something less ephemeral than nice visuals. A great story follows you, it follows the character, it pushes the book forward, taking you places. Great artwork is of the moment, and vital to perfecting the telling of the story, but the writing is the comic. It's not a 50/50 thing.
GrandHarrier
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I understand what you are saying, but I disagree that it is so clear cut; iconic images, covers, etc can live long after their story or source material. They can come to embody a moment, a character, an ideal.
Story, on the other hand, is multifaceted. It consists of over all plot, dialogue, setting, etc. You can have a good plot with shitty dialogue, or good setting but bad plot. Yes, in rare cases where it all comes together, then iconic stories can be born, but the art embodies that just as much too.
In the end it's going to be personal preference. I'm probably 60/40 art/story. I'm a sucker for the splash page, that "fuck yeah" visual moment. But I'm also an avid book reader, so that may make me more forgiving of "comic stories".
Story, on the other hand, is multifaceted. It consists of over all plot, dialogue, setting, etc. You can have a good plot with shitty dialogue, or good setting but bad plot. Yes, in rare cases where it all comes together, then iconic stories can be born, but the art embodies that just as much too.
In the end it's going to be personal preference. I'm probably 60/40 art/story. I'm a sucker for the splash page, that "fuck yeah" visual moment. But I'm also an avid book reader, so that may make me more forgiving of "comic stories".
ah 
I almost always think splash pages are a waste of space. Then again I came of age on B&W indies, when I finally started reading and understanding what was going on in comics. Before that, I was all about the artwork, and refused to even look at anything that wasn't in color. Then I got into underground comix where "bad art" is a term you just won't hear. Where it really is artform over commercial function. A story-telling medium.
Perfect stories are rare. Dialogue is off or the setting doesn't pop(also a function of the art), or the plot has bad timing. But if they can avoid these things and keep up a mean of good storytelling to cover for the nicks in the pacing or bad choice of phrase for a character, they can deliver a good issue. That plus "professional" art is all I expect. Iconic art is nice, but I have to keep looking at it to enjoy it. It's very temporal. I convert the art into something else entirely in my brain anyway, as I read.
Good art is good, but the stories are what I keep in my brain and what keep me coming back. (Or staying away, whatever the case might be.) That's why I'm so critical of DC as of late. The art is fine, the stories aren't. And if they lose the story-oriented readers, I think they will be harder to win back.
I almost always think splash pages are a waste of space. Then again I came of age on B&W indies, when I finally started reading and understanding what was going on in comics. Before that, I was all about the artwork, and refused to even look at anything that wasn't in color. Then I got into underground comix where "bad art" is a term you just won't hear. Where it really is artform over commercial function. A story-telling medium.Perfect stories are rare. Dialogue is off or the setting doesn't pop(also a function of the art), or the plot has bad timing. But if they can avoid these things and keep up a mean of good storytelling to cover for the nicks in the pacing or bad choice of phrase for a character, they can deliver a good issue. That plus "professional" art is all I expect. Iconic art is nice, but I have to keep looking at it to enjoy it. It's very temporal. I convert the art into something else entirely in my brain anyway, as I read.
Good art is good, but the stories are what I keep in my brain and what keep me coming back. (Or staying away, whatever the case might be.) That's why I'm so critical of DC as of late. The art is fine, the stories aren't. And if they lose the story-oriented readers, I think they will be harder to win back.
Pretty light for me today. Really bummed that Superman Family Adventures has been cancelled. Looking forward to the Zenescope event, and you know it's spring when Archie runs a prom story. Get this: Archie invites Betty and Veronica to the prom.
Is that X-23? What's up with the new design?
So according to the release calendar on DC's website, there is no JLA this month but it's double shipped next month. And apparently all of the Wrath of the First Lantern epilogue books come out before the story ends in GL 20, since it looks like it's gone from week 1 to week 4. Good job DC.
GrandHarrier
Member
One could count on one hand the number of delayed issues DC has had in the last two years. There are (is a) much bigger offender/s in that regard.
Still, unfortunate that GL would be one of them.
Still, unfortunate that GL would be one of them.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
Geoff Johns needs to be chastised. He's the only one that has books delayed since Nu52.
Also, I would love Oeming on a DC book and he would've been great on Katana, but do I want him on a book written by Noccenti? I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, Greg Land....
Oh yeah, they've been much better since the N52 relaunch. It's just the GL one that has me irked me since the solicits make it sound like issue 20 of GLC, GL:NG, and RL wrap up what happens in GL in respect to their characters.
X23 is the second character from the right. Even though it looks like her claw is attached to the girl on the far right, that is Nico from Runaways.
Aha.Yeah, it was the location of the claw that confused me.
slightconfuse
Banned
There's a 4 page splash page.
1 more page than doom the living planet!!!!!
I'm pumped
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
ayo tho remember that one in Ultimates 2 :0
GhostRidah
Member
Guardians of the galaxy continues to be awesome.
I thought Remender was a master of the last panel "OH SHIT" moment, but goddamn, Hickman gives him a run for his money. He's got four books out, and in all of them some feces hits a ventilator. Even Uncanny Avengers, in which shit is getting The Most Real on the grandest scale, can't keep up.
edit: also, Batman Inc. made me feel totally fucking smart for getting a bit of symbolism
SEE BECAUSE KNIGHT TAKES QUEEN IT'S CHESS BUT IT'S ALSO FOR REALZ
So I'm reading all of one DC book this week, two Image books and a whopping TEN Marvel books.
I've had some good times here and there with the New 52, but I find myself mostly enjoying stuff that could've easily been shuffled into the previous continuity*.
Hurm. This bums me out.
*One of the exceptions has been Shazam, which has been wonderful.
I've had some good times here and there with the New 52, but I find myself mostly enjoying stuff that could've easily been shuffled into the previous continuity*.
Hurm. This bums me out.
*One of the exceptions has been Shazam, which has been wonderful.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
Johns is swamped right now, Ostrander is writing issue 20 with a story featuring The Others. Come on brah.
slightconfuse
Banned
Word around town is that Quietly is killing it in Jupiter legacy
Freezasaurus
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I read the four Powers collected hardcovers back to back when I initially got into the series, and I never disliked his art. I found it a bit simplistic at first, but it suited the book.
That said, I don't really know if his art would suit Katana.
slightconfuse
Banned
Fucking lool
Tizoc
Member
New series or old series?
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
So it's not available digitally? That's shite, I was just about to go buy my comics...
I probably should just tradewait for it, a whole trade of new Quitely would be very welcome. I'm actually enjoying the tradewait on stuff like Manhattan Projects and Saga. Basically if there's a chance it's actually going to be GOOD then I'm happy to wait on the indie stuff and read it as a book. Superheroes is different though, that's saturday morning cartoons. Need that shit weekly.
slightconfuse
Banned
Yea JL is print only for now
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