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COMICS! |OT| April 2014. Truly, there is no shame in continuing to read awful comics.
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KoruptData
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I know art is subjective. My point with all the review quotes is the collective majority liked Faboks art. Someone who dislikes it would be in the......minority.
echoshifting
Banned
If my years on gaf have taught me anything, it's that professional critique is only meaningful if it can stand the test of time. Popular opinion tends to be more meaningful in the short term.
Not that I disagree with you guys on Fabok at all, but I think you're beginning to lean a bit too much on authority here to make your point. If twenty critics were raving about a book but four or five gaffers hated it (and their opinion was uncontested here), I'd skip it.
slightconfuse
Banned
the oringal Wonder woman pitch sounds better than what we got
TheKaeptain
Banned
The ugly faces in She-Hulk totally turned me off the book.
So it was gonna be in the same vein as what Morrison did with Batman. That would have been cool as hell.
KoruptData
Member
It's not just critics man. Go search Jason Fabok in Twitter. Tons of people like you and me giving the man praise.
What about two gaffers and plenty of disagreement?
I don't think popular opinion (particularly in something like a forum, where you often can have a few more vocal members that may seem to represent general preferences of that community) is any more or less meaningful that a large collection of reviewers/critics.
googleplex
Member
I just read All-New X-Men 25
Finally, Beast get called out on his hypocrisy and bullshit. Now if someone would only do the same to Wolverine.
Finally, Beast get called out on his hypocrisy and bullshit. Now if someone would only do the same to Wolverine.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Oh my god, I thought I was the only one. I have been getting more and more tired of Bendis's awful writing, but this was the one that finally broke me. That Daredevil #1.5 backup was bad fan-fiction. And I don't want to hear, "but it's the character's voice!" Because if it, this woman never graduated middle school.
Also, what a supremely disappointing use of Alex Maleev, whom I was excited to see return to the character he is probably known best for. Five two-panel pages, obscured by Bendis's rambling prose. I read novels as often as comic books, but this is a visual medium! Why not tell your story using, I don't know, pictures? Give that short story to Maleev and let him draw a comic book out of it, instead of the establishing shots we received in the end.
And while we're on the subject of Bendis, let's talk about his infuriating penchant for cramming massive amounts of dialogue onto every page, completely neglecting any sort of action or forward-motion. His latest example is All-New X-Men #25, although this has been going on since he first put his fingers on a keyboard. Check out the preview for All-New X-Men #25 on Comixology. The cover proclaims this comic includes "the greatest artist roster ever assembled!" How does Bendis first utilize this star-studded cast of illustrators? By having David Marquez copy the same panel fourteen times across three pages at various levels of zoom so there's plenty of room for riveting dialogue!
Now, I will definitely give Bendis credit where it's due. His Daredevil run revitalized the character, and I actually supremely enjoy that run, although now I find it hard to re-read because of all the page-length, rambling dialogue. His Ultimate Spider-Man is by all accounts (I've read only the first 26 issues) a character-defining run. Although, I feel that it is somewhat of an anomaly, since when you write every single character with Spider-Man's voice, you're bound to get Spider-Man himself right.
Couldn't even praise him without being negative, sorry guys!
I fully believe that Bendis doesn't plan stories in any way (hello, Battle of the Atom and Age of Ultron!). I think he sits down at his desk every morning and says something like, "Oh, I have to write an issue of Guardians of the Galaxy today," and just starts typing funny dialogue until he thinks he has enough for twenty pages. And you know, he does write some funny dialogue, if every character in the MCU were a clone of Peter Parker. Now, his character interactions are frequently great, but the stories themselves are just one year-long holding pattern at a time. Let them do something, Bendis! And I don't mean superpower fights for unknown reasons like everyone's favorite motivation-less epic Battle of the Atom.
All I can assume is that Bendis has a George Lucas-style working relationship at Marvel. No one questions him, no one edits him, everyone eats his shit.
So, that was a lot of hate, but I meant it more as a critique of a writer I know can do better. Also, I'm off work and have nothing better to do, and I know ComicsGAF never shies away from being critical!
Better than Ramos.
TheKaeptain
Banned
you're the worst.
echoshifting
Banned
What about two gaffers and plenty of disagreement?
I don't think popular opinion (particularly in something like a forum, where you often can have a few more vocal members that may seem to represent general preferences of that community) is any more or less meaningful that a large collection of reviewers/critics.
Strictly addressing personal habits here, when there's a lot of disagreement I tend to conclude the book is at least worth checking out and coming to my own conclusion. And I do try to be aware of vocal minorities...not such an issue here in comic gaf but certainly something to watch out for in game/movie/show threads. They do pollute the water but are easily filtered if you keep an eye on user names.
I'm just super leery of any attempt to present a collective critical opinion about anything (especially anything recent), positive or negative, and I think there are plenty of good reasons to feel that way. Especially when it's done to try and prove/bolster a point.
Ramos is better
KoruptData
Member
Probably the best way we can put it. Believe me I like to dance most of the time, but I like my Batman in a heavy metal setting. It's my workout music.
Serpentine
Banned
That sounds badass as fuck. I wanna read that.
slightconfuse
Banned
Jim Aparo and Neil Adamas would like a word with you
KoruptData
Member
Can not agree my friend.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
Seriously brahs, check out Dead Letters.
And I love how BC ran two stories about Tony Daniel writing and drawing Teen Titans and Gen13 and were denied both times.
And I love how BC ran two stories about Tony Daniel writing and drawing Teen Titans and Gen13 and were denied both times.
Agreed, I dropped it after two issues.
On another note, I finally got around to reading Captain Marvel #2, it's waaaaaaaay better than #1. Which is good because I was considering dropping it entirely.
TetraxShards
Member
I can now add this to my list of "things that would be amazing but will never happen". I'm sad now.
bachalo is easily one of the best
I'll 100% back this statement.
...Man I'm so excited for Absolute Batman Inc.
Technically yes I have. I found the Daredevil Born Again Artist Edition for super cheap so I bought it unsure if I wanted to keep it or resell it. I ended up reselling it because I couldn't justify to myself owning a $90 ($150 MSRP) book, but I thought long and hard about it. They look like absolutely stunning things. They're massive, too.
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
Adams yes, Aparo naaaaaahh. Dude could draw one face, even on women. From two angles.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Death in the Family = Lifetime Free Pass
I don't think anyone has been disappointed by these books if they're into the artist. They're pretty amazing.
ps: jim aparo is better than neal adams
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Brave and the Bold Aparo > The Outsiders Aparo > Starlin Aparo > Milligan Aparo
He got progressively worse, and his best stuff was on the early Bob Haney stuff...and taht stuff is better than Neal Adams on his best day
He got progressively worse, and his best stuff was on the early Bob Haney stuff...and taht stuff is better than Neal Adams on his best day
Bruce Timm and Norm Breyfogle were the best Batman artists
Spike Spiegel
Member
Gleason's Amazons need gender verification testing. Someone alert the IAAF.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/04/11/the-wonder-woman-we-almost-got-in-the-new-52/
This actual sounds better to me than Azz's Wonder Woman.
This actual sounds better to me than Azz's Wonder Woman.
Gleason's Amazons need gender verification testing. Someone alert the IAAF.
Them girls swole as fuck.
I dig it.
Filthy Slug
Crowd screaming like hounds at the heat of the chase/ All the colors of the rainbow flood my face
Gleason's Amazons need gender verification testing. Someone alert the IAAF.
DEATH BY SNOO SNOO. Seriously, I love Gleason.
KoruptData
Member
Art team of Capullo/Miki/FCO is my favorite Batman.
purnoman3000
Member
I've only seen Breyfogle's work in the Anarky stuff with Alan Grant and it was good stuff.
I just love how Quitely and Burnham draw those characters. Nothing against Adams or Aparo or whoever.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
They're great too, I just tend to not think of Quitely as a "Batman artist", he only did like 4 issues, compared to the hundred Breyfogle did and the million and one Aparo did. I'm pretty sure Aparo was drawing Batman every month for the entire 1980s.
slightconfuse
Banned
It's amazing how capillary resurrected his career after being on spawn for so long
Yeah yeah yeah, I know Quitely is a stretch because he only did the first four issues of B & R and then some cover work, but dammit those issues were good.
I'd actually like to see more of Breyfogle, what of hid stuff is collected other than Anarky?
TheKaeptain
Banned
Capullo is the best right now. The one thing everyone ignores about Batman is the colors. Every page is fucking beautiful.
Forget Spawn, I remember when Capullo took over on X-Force after Liefeld left.
Filthy Slug
Crowd screaming like hounds at the heat of the chase/ All the colors of the rainbow flood my face
Right now Capullo is killing it but don't sleep on Gleason. Ever. Dude has been putting in damn fine work month after month, and frequently plays with thematic coloring in his layouts. Well, him and his art team do.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
OH GOD DAMN IT BENDIS
Spike Spiegel
Member
...Now?
probably fell asleep and dreamed he was forced to reread Age of Ultron 10 times.
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