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[Cade]

Currently reading this:

...and I realize that Greg Rucka has written a lot of comics series with female protagonists

Definitely. The good thing is he's good at it and writes some of my favorite female characters. RIP Renee Montoya. 52 is so good because of her.

EDIT: wtf i'm seeing francavilla criticisms now, May is the apocalypse

 

[JLateralus]

My list this week:

Caliban #2
Alex + Ada #6
Fatale #22
Nailbiter #1
Rat Queens #6
Amazing Spider Man #1.1
Magneto #3

Also going to try to find Hulk #2, as my store didn't get any last week.

 

[kswiston]

Thumbs up for Johns' JSA. His Flash run was quite good as well.

 

[Filthy Slug]

EDIT: wtf i'm seeing francavilla criticisms now, May is the apocalypse

Nah, nobody criticized his artistic talent really. Dude is damn good. He's like the Scotty Young of variant covers except he doesn't rely on a shtick.

 

[woodypop]

http://fuck-no-greg-land.tumblr.com/

Angry Video Game Nerd.

lol

 

[Ephidel]

Plagiarism would be if he claimed these photos as his own or he traced another illustrator's work.

One of the gifs already shows him swiping Cassaday, but he has traced others too.
I'm sure I saw some Spiderman parts that had been traced at some point (Charest and a movie poster), and there's a couple of ironmen (possibly including Granov and the iron man cosplayer), and ... actually, you know what, I'll just link this one, it's a little outdated now but it's still pretty comprehensive on both swiping and tracing (although I would give him a pass on the dracula one, that's obviously an homage).

The Many Faces of Ben Grimm is pretty funny too (though that's only him tracing himself as far as I'm aware).

My main problem with his art isn't that he traces (though that sucks), or that he re-traces his tracings (which is distracting), nor that he traces porn (though that's distracting too).
It's that his art is lifeless as a result. There's no continuity of storytelling. If you took the words away you would have NO idea what was going on at all because there's no flow to anything and... that really shouldn't be the case. He also really halfarses his backgrounds most of the time so they just get filled with block colours, which just makes things look worse. That's almost a shame because he can actually do backgrounds -- some of that under-the-dome stuff in UXM was actually pretty good. If you ignore how awkwardly Mags and Betsy were pasted on top of it he had actually drawn them an interesting location to explore.

 

[phazedplasma]

My main problem with his art isn't that he traces (though that sucks), or that he re-traces his tracings (which is distracting), nor that he traces porn (though that's distracting too).
It's that his art is lifeless as a result. There's no continuity of storytelling. If you took the words away you would have NO idea what was going on at all because there's no flow to anything and... that really shouldn't be the case. He also really halfarses his backgrounds most of the time so they just get filled with block colours, which just makes things look worse. That's almost a shame because he can actually do backgrounds -- some of that under-the-dome stuff in UXM was actually pretty good. If you ignore how awkwardly Mags and Betsy were pasted on top of it he had actually drawn them an interesting location to explore.

^ thats why I lump deodato in with land

 

[kswiston]

More Land goodness

EDIT: Beaten!

Here's my favourite:

 

[Ephidel]

^ thats why I lump deodato in with land

I could be wrong but I don't think I've ever read anything Deodato has drawn other than Dark Avengers, and I honestly can't remember much of that offhand.

Here's my favourite:

Haha, that dialogue. I do remember reading that when it was put together XD

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

^ thats why I lump deodato in with land

I usually feel the same way but I was pleasantly surprised by Original Sin #1

 

[frye]

Deodato is a much weirder and idiosyncratic artist than pretty much anyone else doing superhero comics these days in a way that is fascinating yet completely unappealing to me.

 

[TAJ]

Growing up I liked Barry Windsor-Smith and Moebius.

I loved Michael Golden, Barry Smith and Neal Adams.
Then Art Adams came along and I loved him, too.

 

[Tizoc]

More Land goodness

EDIT: Beaten!

Here's my favourite:

What the flying fishbuckets?

 

[Storm Chamber]

RIP Renee Montoya. 52 is so good because of her.

YOU SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH


She'll be back...I'm sure of it!

 

[PaulExcellent]

Punisher MAX is brutal as hell.
I really wish I had given this a try before. Was missing out. That Kingpin~

Also, Adventure Time: Candy Capers is totally radical. Loved the character team mash-ups.

 

[TAJ]

Land is the guy who got caught.

Liefeld was caught many times, too.
He even traced what my childhood self considered the be-all, end-all of sequential art, G.I. Joe Yearbook #2.

 

[Delta Assault]

Deodato is a much weirder and idiosyncratic artist than pretty much anyone else doing superhero comics these days in a way that is fascinating yet completely unappealing to me.

...I really like Deodato.

 

[Supermanisdead]

where is the source material on this

 

[Cade]

YOU SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH


She'll be back...I'm sure of it!

but do you even want her back

do you really

live long enough villain or whatever i dunno who i'd trust to write renee if rucka wouldn't come back

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

Currently reading this:

...and I realize that Greg Rucka has written a lot of comics series with female protagonists

Great read and yes it's his go to move. Even when he takes over a male lead role he sneaks in a female character that's a main focus. See his detective rub with the body guard, his punisher run, etc. he's great at it though and one of my favorite writers

 

[woodypop]

...I really like Deodato.

From my wardrobe. . .

Spoiler

Yes, I've worn it in public. lol

 

[frye]

...I really like Deodato.

This is what Deodato's interiors look these days. It's fuckin weird, and no one else is even on that level (the closest is Rocafort, whose own interiors look nothing like you'd expect from his coverwork).

 

[Delta Assault]

This is what Deodato's interiors look these days. It's fuckin weird, and no one else is even on that level (the closest is Rocafort, whose own interiors look nothing like you'd expect from his coverwork).

Hmmmm. Yeah, that's... that's not good.

I mean, not everything needs to be Watchmen-style 3x3 panels, but what he's doing is not the right direction.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

I go back and forth on Deodato Jr all the time. I fuckin LOVE his Green Goblin from the Thunderbolts run tho

I also love how when Norman is in wacky awesome ranting mode the panels are all off-kilter and shit, then when he's in his suit, its normal. The Goblin is his normal.

 

[TAJ]

The stuff Delta Assault posted is straight Jim Lee-clone stuff. '90s?
I wouldn't be surprised if the first two were traced.

 

[Ephidel]

where is the source material on this

Ultimate Power #2: The Very Naughty Edition.

 

[Freezasaurus]

I also love how when Norman is in wacky awesome ranting mode the panels are all off-kilter and shit, then when he's in his suit, its normal. The Goblin is his normal.

Was that from Dark Avengers? Man, that's a hardcover collection I wanted but never got around to picking up. Fun series.

 

[BuddyJoeHooker]

This is what Deodato's interiors look these days. It's fuckin weird, and no one else is even on that level (the closest is Rocafort, whose own interiors look nothing like you'd expect from his coverwork).

His work the last few years have been getting better, Original Sin should be a good looking book.

 

[Tizoc]

I go back and forth on Deodato Jr all the time. I fuckin LOVE his Green Goblin from the Thunderbolts run tho



I also love how when Norman is in wacky awesome ranting mode the panels are all off-kilter and shit, then when he's in his suit, its normal. The Goblin is his normal.

Ellis' Thunderbolts is among my fav. of his work. I believe he wrote it alongside Nextwave or was Thunderbolts after Civil War?
Non the less if one were to read Nextwave and Thunderbolts back to back, they'd be surprised to find they're by the same author.

For that matter, Deodato draws Norman Osborn like Tommy Lee Jones for some reason. Which I personally don't mind
Every scene with Goblin in Ellis' run is gold though.

 

[Boogiepop]

In terms of distractingly bad art stuff, only two experiences come strongly to mind for me. Apologies in advance for not being able to pinpoint the panels because I've only read them as library books. The first was Ex Machina. Only read the first few trades before giving up because much as I liked part of it the politics stuff was just intolerable for me. It's been a while so hopefully I'm not misremembering. but for what I read, geez the artist couldn't keep their characters consistent. Like, you'd have the same character for four panels in a row and each would look like a different person. At least that's where I THINK I was running into that issue with the artist (my memories a little shaky though, so it may or may not have been a recurring issue versus a bad page or two). The other was the Punisher Max trade with the two cops who are strong-armed into pretending Frank seriously injured them during a run-in. I don't remember the rest of the art being particularly troublesome, but the black guy was drawn in the most ridiculous way. Like, it was borderline indistinguishable from old, awful stereotyped drawings in some panels. Distracted the hell out of me.

Quitely I can look at some of the examples posted in threads like this and say "yeah that doesn't look so hot to me," but I've never had an issue with him while reading something he's drawn, so I don't know.

 

[kswiston]

Quitely art that even potato face haters should be able to enjoy:

 

[KoruptData]

Does USM retain it's quality upto a certain point? Should I concentrate on just certain arcs. I'm on issue 40 which would be volume 7. I just read the vol 1 omnibus and I adored it. Wondering if I should take break so I don't get fatigued or start buying the TPB's.

 

[Owzers]

Quitely art that even potato face haters should be able to enjoy:

Even under those masks, in my heart i know they are potatoes.

 

[slightconfuse]

Deodato is hit or miss. He art can be too shaded


But he did give us this

 

[Freezasaurus]

Even under those masks, in my heart i know they are potatoes.

I should stop comimg to this thread until next week, when maybe people won't be out of their god-damned minds anymore. Hating on All-Star Superman. Hating on Quitely. I can't take it.

 

[PaulExcellent]

is it may 14 yet so i can read bee and puppycat?

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Punisher MAX is brutal as hell.
I really wish I had given this a try before. Was missing out. That Kingpin~

Also, Adventure Time: Candy Capers is totally radical. Loved the character team mash-ups.

Punisher MAX is the greatest crime saga in comic books and by the time I finished reading the Ennis and Aaron runs, my soul was blackened and weeping.

 

[bronson]

Anyone else read Shutter? Caught the first issue via the Comixology Image thing. Book is crazy gorgeous.

 

[Freezasaurus]

Anyone else read Shutter? Caught the first issue via the Comixology Image thing. Book is crazy gorgeous.

Art is fantastic. Not completely sold on the story yet, but it seems like it might get interesting.

 

[BuddyJoeHooker]

Punisher MAX is the greatest crime saga in comic books and by the time I finished reading the Ennis and Aaron runs, my soul was blackened and weeping.

That just means you haven't read enough crime books yet.

 

[Cheska]

Anyone else read Shutter? Caught the first issue via the Comixology Image thing. Book is crazy gorgeous.

Yep!! Premise seems really interesting, definitely adding it to the pull list.

 

[Supermanisdead]

Does USM retain it's quality upto a certain point? Should I concentrate on just certain arcs. I'm on issue 40 which would be volume 7. I just read the vol 1 omnibus and I adored it. Wondering if I should take break so I don't get fatigued or start buying the TPB's.

i thought it was good all the way through. i would take some breaks with it though, since its 200 issues!

 

[Serpentine]

The Marvel Monday sale today is basically a collection of all the random throwaway sales they have like every month: Aaron's Hulk, Astonishing Spidey & Wolverine, a random Ultimate mini, a random Wolverine run, etc. I guess it's also a Jason Aaron sale or whatever

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

That just means you haven't read enough crime books yet.

Well, I'm comparing MAX to Criminal and 100 Bullets. Which are both fantastic, but I think MAX is the best one

 

[XAL]

Question, not up to date on any of this. But why have I seen Dr. Strange blowing motherfuckers up? Probably really out of context?...

 

[Delta Assault]

Punisher MAX is brutal as hell.
I really wish I had given this a try before. Was missing out. That Kingpin~

Also, Adventure Time: Candy Capers is totally radical. Loved the character team mash-ups.

You need to check out the Barracuda one shot. It is hilarious.

 

[GrandHarrier]

Hmm. Still not sure how I feel about JL3K (#5). It seems like it's getting better but I dunno. Art was definitely on the upswing.

Even under those masks, in my heart i know they are potatoes.

This made me chuckle more than it should have. Well played.

 

[Ephidel]

Question, not up to date on any of this. But why have I seen Dr. Strange blowing motherfuckers up? Probably really out of context?...

Who (else) has he blown up? That said he did trade his soul for godlike power several months back. That sort of thing probably puts a dent in someone's morality.

 

[Hellers]

Hmm. Still not sure how I feel about JL3K (#5). It seems like it's getting better but I dunno. Art was definitely on the upswing.

It's an odd way to start a comic. Make all the main characters total pricks and only just now start to soften them a little. I'm curious to see how this ties into the LSH timeline.

 

[ThyMusicMan]

Who would you all consider as your favorite artist if you could only pick one?

Francesco Francavilla Is one of the first names I think of as my favorite. (Artist/colors combo) His covers are amazing. Really hard to choose just one.