But technically viewed, you dont support the Artists when a library has an book and twenty people reading it there instead of twenty people buying it.
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COMICS! |OT| October 2014. Witches, wytches, and things that go GROOT in the night.
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Even as someone who hates piracy to a pretty large degree (anime/manga seems to get super hard by it, which is a shame imo), I don't see sharing the digital codes in comics as a problem. Obviously the companies knew it would happen to some degree, and obviously there's probably some people reading entirely off of those, but there's also people trying stuff out they may not otherwise and funneling money back to the company through further purchases (and of course I'm sure a ton of those codes also go completely unused). Though selling them instead of giving them away feels just a tad scummy to me, but that's more a "this is something I'd never feel right doing" sort of thing, like flipping new consoles for profit and capitalizing on shortages. And honestly all I've seen in here is friendly sharing, and I don't think anyone in here is getting by exclusively on handouts or anything.
And in regards to games, I'd point to insane budgets requiring higher and higher sales before I'd ever point the finger at used games or even piracy as killing the industry.
And in regards to games, I'd point to insane budgets requiring higher and higher sales before I'd ever point the finger at used games or even piracy as killing the industry.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
I would only consider it "skeevy" if we had the same people coming in here who don't ever actually buy comics but are always trying to mooch free codes off people. I don't think we have anyone like that.
If you are somewhat interested but don't want to invest in a whole trade or putting something on your pull list, I don't see the harm in "trying out" an issue or two if someone is willing to spare a code they're not using. Granted I don't really buy weekly issues so I don't know how valid my opinion on it is. I've definitely made use of a friend's codes before to see if I like a certain book before putting the trade/HC on my order or something.
If you are somewhat interested but don't want to invest in a whole trade or putting something on your pull list, I don't see the harm in "trying out" an issue or two if someone is willing to spare a code they're not using. Granted I don't really buy weekly issues so I don't know how valid my opinion on it is. I've definitely made use of a friend's codes before to see if I like a certain book before putting the trade/HC on my order or something.
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
Again. Librarys are legal. Bittorrent is not.What if bittorrent library
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
Legality is irrelevant to me. I do three illegal things before breakfast yo. I'm interested in the ethics of it instead. Legal loopholes and all that jazz are deeply uninteresting and a concern for boring people who read bad comics and have terrible sexlives.
The question is: do you pay artists for their art, yes or no?
My point being, we (as a culture) have become somewhat used to certain things being "payment to artist optional". I think if you are paying money it should go to the artist/publisher, not some dude on neoGAF. Or be honest with yourself (maybe not in here, could get a bit lynchy) that you feel not all art is worth your money and act accordingly.
Pretty sure creators get paid for this in some countries. Public Lending Rights it's called.
KoruptData
Member
I'd rather people but digital codes off eBay than torrents. At least you are funding a consumer who is willing to go to a B&M store to get more comics the next week. Telling people to torrent shit is lazy and stupid.
Shin Johnpv
Member
Again Cheska speaks the truth. It's same argument used against used games and it's bullshit anti-consumerism.
Sorry, I get really tired of writing again and again that I spend multiple hundred(!) Euros on comics every month.
Shall I post all my bills?
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
I hope it's obvious that it's an example of an alternative way to get free comics and not an advert.
Anyway, I think I've said everything I have to say on this. You folks do what you're going to do.
Shin Johnpv
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Tyrant Rave
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I agree.
I'd be happy just to see her as the regular artist for Harley, her covers always look great.
I was being facetious, and if you couldn't tell by the rest of the comments following that then I think you need more coffee this morningAnd trying to point out how silly some of these arguments are about how not buying a book and getting it through other, legal means, is frowned upon.
Obviously I knew you weren't being serious, hence the
.People can do whatever the hell they want with their codes, the only thing that bothers me is when Wednesday turns into a bunch of "anyone have spare codes they don't want?" posts. Find a supplier and keep it to PM.
Isn't there any comic news to talk about today?
echoshifting
Banned
I find begging for codes pretty tacky, the same as begging for anything else from friends and strangers thar you don't actually need, especially when it happens a lot. If people want to give them away that is something else entirely. The library comparison makes no sense at all, but maybe that's just me since I consider digital comics as a product to be vastly superior to floppies. I do think it's better to use an unused code than to torrent...that comparison doesn't make much sense to me either. Code begging isn't morally bankrupt, it's just....I dunno. Skeevy? Has anybody used the word skeevy yet?
Poor Kipp! Never done it before and kicked the hornet's nest, ha ha.
Edit: seems tim and I are pretty much on the same page.
Poor Kipp! Never done it before and kicked the hornet's nest, ha ha.
Edit: seems tim and I are pretty much on the same page.
GrandHarrier
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Kipps' an unrepentant instigator.
Tyrant Rave
Banned
Btw shout outs for Cheska for being so generous. Still can't believe she sent me a copy of Batman volume 2 for free.
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
tbh I never even notice who is doing the begging/supplying so I could not hold it against individuals if I wanted to, I simply don't remember/care who's involved. I'm interested in the theoretical rather than the punitive.
I wanna know who Cheska has beef with. I bet it's Freeza. Or maybe it's me. Oh no.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
echoshifting
Banned
No because today's Marvel teaser is fucking lame. We will just have to come up with more of our own.
This will always be true
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
Totes me. I'm cool with that, adversarial relationships make for better nerdfights.
Tyrant Rave
Banned
I don't know who published Akira in America but I think the only manga publisher on Comixology is Viz
whatsinaname
Member
The Decompressed podcast episode with Fraction and Aja was great. Loved the bit about them exchanging issue specific playlists.
Filthy Slug
Crowd screaming like hounds at the heat of the chase/ All the colors of the rainbow flood my face
Hey, is the 52 omnibus worth it? I want to read the entire event since I've only read it in pieces, but I just want some solid "fuck yeahs" or "fuck naws" to the overall quality of the event.
GrandHarrier
Member
Don't unleash Shadow Cheska.
52 is incredible. All-Star team of writers.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Beyond worth it. Don't forget to pick up JG Jones' cover collection.
Mac the KNife
Member
I wake up to thank Birdie for the heads-up on that Sixth Gun sale (thanks, B!) and the thread's taken another sharp turn.
My take, for what it's worth, is if the publisher's selling you a comic with a digital code inside it's yours to do with as you wish. If the buyer wants to sell the code to make his/her hard copy less expensive or pass it along to an interested party, so be it. It benefits all parties, including the creators, because there's more eyeballs on the content and today's "mooch" is tomorrow's customer. Plus, if anything, having the digital copy resold or gifted does less harm as once it's redeemed it can't be shared or sold again, unlike hard copies.
My take, for what it's worth, is if the publisher's selling you a comic with a digital code inside it's yours to do with as you wish. If the buyer wants to sell the code to make his/her hard copy less expensive or pass it along to an interested party, so be it. It benefits all parties, including the creators, because there's more eyeballs on the content and today's "mooch" is tomorrow's customer. Plus, if anything, having the digital copy resold or gifted does less harm as once it's redeemed it can't be shared or sold again, unlike hard copies.
echoshifting
Banned
Sixth Gun is Oni Press, correct? I wish those guys had their own app.
Filthy Slug
Crowd screaming like hounds at the heat of the chase/ All the colors of the rainbow flood my face
Awesome--definitely leaning into buying it.
JG Jones Final Crisis covers are immaculate.
LOL dammnit. There was supposed to be a hugging GIF attached to yours.Obviously I knew you weren't being serious, hence the
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This one:
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Hahaha, guys, I don't have beef with anyone, not even Jedeye, who I know is the grandfather of comics in here.
I genuinely don't care where anyone gets their comics from. I know that for me personally, I spend hundreds of dollars a month on this hobby. Via weekly comics, trades/IST orders, statues, art work, etc. I have absolutely no problem admitting that I use digital codes to read some comics. This allows me to spend more money on indies, and overall just buy more stuff a week. Do I feel guilty? Honestly, not really because I know that for myself, I double dip on everything I love. I own trades for everything I have floppies/digital comics for. Sometimes even triple dip. I've given those creators money in multiple mediums.
I fucking love comics. I love this thread, and I love talking to you guys. Even when things can get a little heated, I think we just have to take the time to think about how awesome it is to have this community where we spend hours upon hours dissecting and adoring comics <3
whatsinaname
Member
Would it be an interesting read even if I haven't read Infinite Crisis?
Pai Pai Master
Banned
cheska for prez
echoshifting
Banned
Preach! Doesn't take a long look around the internet to know how lucky we are to have this space and this community. And of course pretty much everyone who posts in here spends exorbitant amounts of cash on comics. I think it's natural to try to bring those costs down a bit; comics are an absurdly poor return on investment. We're all insane for sticking with it into the $4-$5 era.
Tyrant Rave
Banned
Cheska for Prezka
echoshifting
Banned
Anybody else here reading TMNT? I just started it over the past week and am already up to issue 9. It's not yet a great comic but I could definitely see it becoming one...the quality keeps rising. The
was awesome.
mouser attack
echoshifting
Banned
Tyrant Rave
Banned
I read the current series. I'm one trade behind but I love it so much.
I still need to dig into the micro series despite owning all of them. Heard good things about them.
shadyspace
Banned
I buy comic books at the comic book store.
echoshifting
Banned
IDW and their micro series, I can never keep up with them. The Raph series is pretty appealing though.
Glad to hear you like the book! I'm just plowing through it. I always wanted to get into TMNT but found their older series impenetrable for the most part.
echoshifting
Banned
Filthy Slug
Crowd screaming like hounds at the heat of the chase/ All the colors of the rainbow flood my face
Final Crisis? I'll say that I don't remember shit from Infinite Crisis, but I have read a ton of Grant Morrison, and I've got a solid enough handle of the events that lead into Final Crisis, in terms of how the general DCU was at that time, and that's all I needed. It's easily my favorite event, and I couldn't stop reading it two weeks or so ago, during my reread.
I also looked up Final Crisis annotations to help enrich and fill in any gaps in my DC knowledge or any cool connections that I missed [had no clue who Anthro was, or his symbolical link to Kamandi, for example].
Also, you should definitely use the Absolute reading order--helps properly place some of the necessary side-books.
I pick Ian Bertram:
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