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How is that it is 2015 and we still can't figure out what to eat?
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Cooking with vegetable oils releases toxic cancer-causing chemicals, say experts.
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Coincidentally that's the same kind of oil Skullface was covered in when he was burned and disfigured for life.
such a lust for carcinogens in your red meat? Whoooooooo?
My favorite part of the steak is the crusty rind, filled with high temperature cancer goodness. high temps are high temps. with indirect heat, only a portion is exposed to high temps. roasts aren't going to be a big worry. If you like gnawing on burnt ends from the broiler, you may have something to think about.
such a lust for carcinogens in your red meat? Whoooooooo?
My favorite part of the steak is the crusty rind, filled with high temperature cancer goodness. high temps are high temps. with indirect heat, only a portion is exposed to high temps. roasts aren't going to be a big worry. If you like gnawing on burnt ends from the broiler, you may have something to think about.
I hate how there's no easy to find link to the actual research on the news site.
The difference is 4mM of the supposed carcinogens. Is that a lot? I sure as hell don't intake a litre of oil when I cook. What's the level at which this stuff becomes dangerous? How much of the carcinogen is left on the food, and how much is left in the oil that's thrown away?
People love this shit about food being dangerous, while we're all happy to breathe the incredibly carcinogenic air thanks to shit tons of pollution, and no one kicks up a fuss about it because it's not new or trendy.
The difference is 4mM of the supposed carcinogens. Is that a lot? I sure as hell don't intake a litre of oil when I cook. What's the level at which this stuff becomes dangerous? How much of the carcinogen is left on the food, and how much is left in the oil that's thrown away?
People love this shit about food being dangerous, while we're all happy to breathe the incredibly carcinogenic air thanks to shit tons of pollution, and no one kicks up a fuss about it because it's not new or trendy.
entremet
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It's incredibly hard to study since there are hundreds to thousands of confounding factors--genetics, lifestyle, physical activity, etc.
Nikodemos
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It's also not something that's particularly easy, quick or cheap to fix, not on an individual level, at any rate.
Not eating bad stuff is.
AngryNapkin
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Who uses oils anyway? At best I could see olive oil (real olive oil) or coconut oil. I grill damn near everything or use the oven.
More Fun To Compute
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Strictly speaking it's cooking at high temperatures for a long time which is dangerous.
AngryNapkin
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We figured out how to eat hundreds of thousands of years ago. It's called not eating food from boxes and not eating grains or most legumes, obviously including any liquid not called coffee, tea or water.
Crash Station
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Butter master race!
Depends on how you're cooking it, I assume.
If the carcinogen temperature for red meat is X, then you want the meat to remain below that temperature, and the way to do that will depend on how you're cooking it.
The type of oil you use (if you use any) will influence how hot you need to run your stove (because the oils have different capacities for storing and transferring heat). If you use an oven, the radiation will cook the meat at a different rate than the convection through oil cooking.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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The problem is also that processing oils tends to reduce the presence of phytochemicals and vitamins that help to counteract the reactive components of fats.
If you are coking at high temperatures, rice bran oil is VERY stable, just FYI.
If you are coking at high temperatures, rice bran oil is VERY stable, just FYI.
So this thread will be a small repeat of the meat one, where we conclude that we are all firm believers of the All or Nothing fallacy, therefore either we can reduce risks of cancer completely, or we do not care at all?
Air causes cancer, nothing new under the sun, blahblah.
Yes. Except for the fact that the study indeed points us towards other, less harmful oils.
So it is not that "everything causes cancer", it is that "some things are more prone to causing cancer under circumstance X/Y/Z, and by knowing that, we can reduce risk". Right? Right.
Air causes cancer, nothing new under the sun, blahblah.
Yes. Except for the fact that the study indeed points us towards other, less harmful oils.
So it is not that "everything causes cancer", it is that "some things are more prone to causing cancer under circumstance X/Y/Z, and by knowing that, we can reduce risk". Right? Right.
Setzer
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I use this when making fries at home. Makes the best damn fries!
Mattakuevan
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This.
It's also important to note that this doesn't 'replace' existing information regarding these oils. That isn't how science works.
The public tends to latch on to new studies as absolute fact when in reality they are just added to an ever-growing pool of information.
That isn't to say that these oils aren't harmful, but it is harmful to take a single study as the 'new normal'. If you do that its really easy to make the assumption that everything we eat/do is bad for us when in reality its just attempting to expose possible risks.
Grover Cleveland
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At this point, what won't give you cancer?
ITT people who don't study food science bash food science and think pop science articles is actually how scientific research develops.
Maybe something will come out in five years that determines that a compound in vegetable oils is good for you, but that probably won't invalidate a finding that they also release aldehydes which cause cancer. So then more research will have to be done on what the overall effect is. Research, research, research. The effect of food on bodies is not black and white.
Paracelsus
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Yeah, the only problem is olive oil is way too expensive for french fries.
Damerman
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Zomba13
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Eh, give it a few months/years and studies will show that those oils also cause cancer or some other nasty illnesses.
Well, also it's a little trickier to cook with then regular oil. Especially for frying stuff.
hydragonwarrior
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LOL so many olive oil posts. There's more to the post than the title lol
way more
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"A typical meal of fish and chips," is not a typical meal. It is breaded and fried meat served with fried starch. How do vegetable oils compare when makinig a stir fry?
Kieli Fact:
Did you know that when you consume produce such as fruit or meats such as beef, you are also ingesting dangerous levels of DNA?
DNA has been cited as one of the leading factors in many diseases. Whenever you consume food, you are exposing yourself to potential to have your DNA mix with the DNA of a chicken and thereby birth a human-chicken hybrid.
I've also read from the National Scientific Kieli Consortium's latest report that dihydrogen monoxide is the leading cause of hydration therapy. This is an extremely worrying finding as it points to a systemic issue of consumption of chemicals in our body, which may interfere with natural biochemical pathways that reduce organic carbon-containing molecules.
Did you know that when you consume produce such as fruit or meats such as beef, you are also ingesting dangerous levels of DNA?
DNA has been cited as one of the leading factors in many diseases. Whenever you consume food, you are exposing yourself to potential to have your DNA mix with the DNA of a chicken and thereby birth a human-chicken hybrid.
I've also read from the National Scientific Kieli Consortium's latest report that dihydrogen monoxide is the leading cause of hydration therapy. This is an extremely worrying finding as it points to a systemic issue of consumption of chemicals in our body, which may interfere with natural biochemical pathways that reduce organic carbon-containing molecules.
teruterubozu
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Most of us will have a heart attack & die because of shitty foods, loooong before cancer sets in.
karasu
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I agree. Shit gets more ridiculous with each study posted. The point seems to be that life is basically death waiting to happen.
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I did not say that all processed things are bad.
I did not say that all unprocessed things are good.
If I wanted to say that I would have. I don't need your heavily biased interpretations of the words I wrote. I know you're looking to pick a fight with anything you view as hippy dippy or whatever, like in every diet or food related thread these days, but what you're doing is unnecessary, and ironically, it's exactly what you're attacking me for (taking one statement and "piggybacking" to make unfounded claims about other things).
In terms of red meat and heat, this might be a decent primer: http://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/diet/cooked-meats-fact-sheet
Awesome stuff. Eggs cooked in lard are delicious. Quite different to when they are cooked in butter, which is also very tasty, obviously.
way more
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Yeah, but it's a meal that is rare to have and it's simply drenched in oil. It's the most extreme example you can come up with to demonize oils. I really just want to know about high heat and stir-frys or other more day-to-day cooking.
krameriffic
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Being alive causes cancer.
I saw that. Just a matter of time before they find something wrong with olive oil too.
The Lamonster
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same
Icyflamez96
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is this fallout
fastford58
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As a nurse on a gi/gen surg floor, I can honestly say that it seems like getting cancer/not getting cancer is basically a crap shoot.
There is often times no rhyme or reason to it and VERY rarely can it be attributed definitively to lifestyle habits.
Genetics is a more prominent predictor.
There is often times no rhyme or reason to it and VERY rarely can it be attributed definitively to lifestyle habits.
Genetics is a more prominent predictor.
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