prankster101
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This is what happens when you "come out of the closet". And there is the proof/affirmation that buying a Wii U spells a social death sentance for kids.
Could this be a "breakout" Holiday season for the Wii-U?
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I think Super Mario 3D World has a chance to give it ok sales over the holidays...but it really depends on the quality and amount of marketing Nintendo put behind it.
Mario Kart 8 is the only title I can see helping long term...and once again, how well or badly that does will largely be down to the quality,size and length of the marketing push. DKC won't do anything, neither will Wii Fit/Party(that audience has gone..much like the Brain Training audience). If Nintendo want the casual audience again they need a major gimmick and something new.
I've always believed you only need the 1 right game to sell hardware...but it also needs the right marketing (which Nintendo have been pretty awful at in the last few years).
Mario Kart 8 is the only title I can see helping long term...and once again, how well or badly that does will largely be down to the quality,size and length of the marketing push. DKC won't do anything, neither will Wii Fit/Party(that audience has gone..much like the Brain Training audience). If Nintendo want the casual audience again they need a major gimmick and something new.
I've always believed you only need the 1 right game to sell hardware...but it also needs the right marketing (which Nintendo have been pretty awful at in the last few years).
RoninChaos
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Seriously... you're fucking crazy for thinking parents getting 2 year olds ipads is somehow a thing. Or that it's the norm. Kids get fisher price shit for their 2nd birthdays, not tablets. That has to be one of the fucking craziest things that's ever been said on this forum.
It's one thing to make shit up to try and defend your position, it's a whole different thing to pull ideas out of a fucking delusion-land.
CaptainGyro
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shinra-bansho
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So from what I could find...
Xbox 360
Aug->Sept 2008
$199 for Xbox Arcade (-$80)
$299 for 60GB Premium (-$50)
$399 for 120GB Elite (-$50)
42% increase in weekly average sales
Jul->Aug 2009
$299 for 120GB Elite (-$100)
6% increase in weekly average sales
PS3
Jun->Jul 2007
$499 on 60GB model (-$100)
102% increase in weekly average sales
Sept->Oct 2007
$499 on 80GB model (-$100)
27% increase in weekly average sales
Aug->Sept 2008
$399 on 80GB model (-$100)
No change
Aug->Sept 2009
PS3 Slim at $299
87% increase in weekly average sales
Aug->Sept 2011
$249 PS3 Slim (-$50)
37% increase in weekly average sales
Wii
Aug->Sept 2009
$199 (-$50)
33% increase in weekly average sales
Apr->May 2011
$149 (-$50)
37% increase in weekly average sales
prankster101
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What? You said it. Not me.
eh, people buying PS4s with CoD/Battlefield as the only two games they have preordered. I told them I had to have Monster Hunter and was told it looks shitty and the system sucks. Then one of the guys later on said to me, man I wish Monster Hunter was on PS3 *_*
they're good people though, just the dudebro type. They can't help themselves
You're accusing people hanging on to their predictions, while making your very own?
How is saying "wait for Mario Kart 8" any worse than claiming its in life support now, will tank this Christmas and be dead by the end of 2015?
prankster101
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I think there was a study conducted somewhere which said that kids are regularly having sex as young as 9 - to the extent that it's the "norm" now.
It's goose may be cooked but we really do need to wait for 3d Mario, Wii Fit U and Mario Kart 8. Those were all great sellers (especially the latter two) last gen and MK is of course god-tier WRT sales last gen.
If titles like those, combined with advertising can't move enough consoles to get the momentum rolling significantly then I do think they're in shit street as far as having a strong presence. Now if they can't send Wii U into orbit it could still do well amongst Nintendo fans for the generation but it's the "more than" I think we're talking about.
Thanks! These are interesting. You should probably save this and post it in the upcoming NPD thread, could be good for discussion.
JinjoUnchained
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Generally speaking, yes, but then how do you explain Nintendo abandoning the Wii after 2011? Or 3rd parties sticking with PS3 until it turned around (2 years later!)? So that rule isn't always true. My point was that if a console has games you like and if it is well supported (which the Wii U is now), then you should just enjoy it and pay little heed to sales figures or the opinion of the internet social elite. I think people are taking these sales numbers way too personally, just enjoy the games!
prankster101
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Admitting to owning a Wii U is akin to saying that you have tramp AIDS? I didn't realise it had gotten that bad. I mean, I knew it was bad. But not that bad.
EternalTruth
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Nope, I have a feeling Wii U will only reach Gamecube level sales throughout its lifetime...
It looks like Japan has no interest in Super Mario 3D World based on latest Famitsu's top 20 most wanted games. In fact, the only Wii U title that managed to appear on the list was Mario Kart 8 at 12th place, so it doesn't look like Nintendo can count on much of Japan's support for the rest of the year.
CaptainGyro
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Yeah it was sarcasm. You basically just said that my sarcastic post was the proof of the thing that I sarcastically said existed.
You're being deliberately dense. Later
prankster101
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How did the Zelda WW HD game do in Japan? I heard somwhere it was one of the worst selling Zelda games in the franchise...
prankster101
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That is probably the upper boundary. That's probably about the size if the kid/Nintendo fan/hardcores who buy very console market, and the best they can hope to do unless the catch lightning in a bottle again like they did and find a way to reach beyond that market. And that's not likely to happen with the Wii U.
As long as they can make a good profit in that market that's all that matters. They don't need to compete with sony and ms in sales. They just have to make big bucks catering to their sizable niche.
tokyostomp
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I'm going to have to say no. With the impending release of the new PS4 and XBO, Nintendo will have better sales based on the holiday season alone. I don't foresee it as a game charger for them though.
3rd party support will continue to dry up leaving Nintendo to carry the burden through it's first party sales.
It will be a quick death as early as summer/fall 2014.
3rd party support will continue to dry up leaving Nintendo to carry the burden through it's first party sales.
It will be a quick death as early as summer/fall 2014.
ViewtifulJC
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I think it'll pass that, if only because generations seem to go on forever and Nintendo might ride this thing out to that sweet spot in-between GC and N64 numbers
Poimandres
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Here's why people are concerned. There is absolutely no guarantee that Wii U will be supported for years to come. I would say it's certain to get support in 2014 and 2015, but I'm seriously uncertain of its future beyond that. Even the hugely successful Wii was really only supported for 4 years. How long can you realistically expect them to support the Wii U with terrible sales?
The Dreamcast was a great machine, but it didn't last long. If the Wii U is "this generation's Dreamcast" then it's on its way to an early grave.
"Perspective" is realizing that even though you might love a system its sales very directly affect 1) its life expectancy 2) how many titles are actually released for the system. That doesn't mean you can't be content with what you get, but it does mean every Wii U owner should care about sales.
Wind Waker HD placed 7th on the top 20 chart with sales of 30,264 copies in its first week. By its second week, the game dropped down to 10th place with sales of 6,210 copies sold. Hardware sales only saw an tiny increase of 85,000 units in the week of the game's release compared to the previous week.
prankster101
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From a business perspective, this makes sense. From a gaming perspective, I think the vast gaming audience will be poorer because of it.
Just like the market was indifferent to the Dreamcast, despite it's excellent software, so too is the market showing indifference towards the Wii U (despite its promising lineup).
Sega going multi-plat was the best thing they ever did. That way I got to play Space Channel 5, Rez, Crazy Taxi, Power Stone etc without having to necessarily fork out for a DC.
Personally, I just want to play Starfox on a proper HD console, without having to wait 10 years in thd process.
prankster101
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Quoted for truth!
No. The concept of the system is still the same, and IMO the reason it's tanking so much.
The software doesn't appeal to the mass casual-core, the core, or the casuals, or anything in between apart from Nintendo fans (outside of a few stragglers)
Price is way too high, it didn't get a price cut, it got a sku shuffle.
It had all last holiday to itself (meaning no next gen console competition) all the hype and buzz of a new system, launched with a NSMB and plenty of stock, and still only did 900k in the US. Imagine what it'll do this year with similar software (in terms of audience) to NSMB, no price cut and next gen competition, as well as cheaper PS360.
The software doesn't appeal to the mass casual-core, the core, or the casuals, or anything in between apart from Nintendo fans (outside of a few stragglers)
Price is way too high, it didn't get a price cut, it got a sku shuffle.
It had all last holiday to itself (meaning no next gen console competition) all the hype and buzz of a new system, launched with a NSMB and plenty of stock, and still only did 900k in the US. Imagine what it'll do this year with similar software (in terms of audience) to NSMB, no price cut and next gen competition, as well as cheaper PS360.
Yeah, and look at Sega now. They've cut back massively, haven't released any of the niche stuff (and the niche stuff they did release they practically sent out to die in the US. I'm looking at you, Yakuza and Valkyria Chronicles.) and now their mascot franchise is exclusive to Nintendo systems.
OrbitalBeard
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Why are people comparing Wii U to the Dreamcast? The situation is very different. Sega was in deep financial trouble before the DC even launched. Nintendo has billions in the bank and can easily support Wii U by themselves until at least 2016 if they have to. Nintendo isn't going to kill the console in 2014...that is completely ridiculous.
prankster101
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Phantasy Star is coming. I can't think of many others...
Never did care about Sonic. But I did get to play Somic Racing Transformed on my PC - which was ace.
They did kill the Virtual Boy.
Ridiculous claim. Not happening
prankster101
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To be fair, consoles are not exactly the most popular in Japan, and the game market in Europe isn't very good either. The 3DS already outsold the Wii in Japan and it's been out for only just below 3 years.
The one on the Vita or Phantasy Star Online 2 where we haven't heard anything about it except that it was delayed?
prankster101
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Vita.
Poimandres
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I think you've misinterpreted my intentions. I'm not accusing anyone of hanging on to predictions or saying those predictions aren't valid. I'm acutally trying to gauge what most people think is the last hope.
A lot of people, even strong Wii U supporters, seem to think that this Christmas is crucial. Others think that Mario Kart will be the real test (understandable given the weight of that franchise). If Mario Kart doesn't turn things around... will most people be willing to essentially concede defeat for the Wii U?
I don't have an optimistic outlook, but I do want the Wii U to succeed because I have one and want games to play on it for a good few years. I don't think my opinion is "fact" or more valid than anyone elses though. It is pure speculation.
Manmademan
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yup. Nintendo has no shot at NA whatsoever. This is the territory where the Xbox360 and online gaming are pretty much king. The titles that put it there as well as it's robust online network are almost entirely absent on the WiiU.
I can see a split between PS4 and Xbone (because the 360 is just THAT strong here) but Nintendo? not a chance.
So...true story...my friend had a baby in July...bought an ipod touch for the monitoring system...said he planned on giving it to the kid on his first birthday so he can 'use' it.
I Lol'd.
Manmademan
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I have an android tablet (the asus transformer prime) that I use with my 18 month old, playing baby games and whatnot. She likes it, knows how it works in a basic sense.
There are a decent amount of parents who use tablets for kid oriented stuff, though i don't agree that buying new tablets exclusively FOR them is a thing.
prankster101
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Don't forget that Mario Kart also is living up for the F-Zero legacy, so the weight on its shoulders to power sales is twice as heavy.
If there is one company who literally had it all, but chose to throw it all away, it's Nintendo. No other company - not Sega, Atari etc - comes close to how much potential a company has squandered with its market position and the opportunities presented as a result.
JinjoUnchained
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Sure, you're right, anything could happen. The scenario you pose is still very hypothetical at this point, though. To wit, the PS3 was DOA for 2 years and there was no guarantee it would be turned around. 3DS tanked at launch and was supposedly dead because of iPhones. Those systems turned around because their manufacturers fixed their value propositions and then gamers got behind them. That's my point, if you like a console then you should support it; everything else is white noise.
IncandescentPrecept
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No, a lot of the games listed sold well on the Wii because of the casuals. With most of them gone, those games aren't system sellers anymore.
Some Nobody
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Nintendo can't ever have a Dreamcast. The exact stars that aligned for Sega to fail like that were consequences to a situation Nintendo would never have.
At worst you'd be looking at a system that had the support of the Dreamcast but without the financial issues...and that would put Nintendo into another Wii situation because holy fuck that's a lot of good games.
At worst you'd be looking at a system that had the support of the Dreamcast but without the financial issues...and that would put Nintendo into another Wii situation because holy fuck that's a lot of good games.
Generation after generation. It all started with the N64 failure to include CD's when Sega was practically out of the equation and Sony was still relatively unknown.
Makes sense.
On a Wii U related note I wanted one for Bayo 2...found out a friend has one and said I could borrow it when the game came out.
Manmademan
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This is pretty much the issue. Nintendo isn't badly managed or bleeding massive, unsustainable amounts of money as Sega was with the DC. It's just consistently strange business decisions that ignore where the market is going.
prankster101
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FF VII on PS started the decline from a mainstream perspective. And the death of Aerith saw to it that Sony captured a lot of hearts in the process...
Schnozberry
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The 3DS and 2DS will have a great holiday, so I don't think Wii U has to outsell the PS4 or Xbox One to be considered a success. It just has to pick up enough sales momentum to carry Nintendo to a profitable year.
I don't think we're every going to see another generation like the previous one for home consoles. I would shit bricks if the Xbox One and PS4 came anywhere close to their previous installed bases either, even over the same time period. The digital landscape is just so much different.
I don't think we're every going to see another generation like the previous one for home consoles. I would shit bricks if the Xbox One and PS4 came anywhere close to their previous installed bases either, even over the same time period. The digital landscape is just so much different.
Who says they aren't badly managed? All their idiotic decisions are coming from the management.
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