ViewtifulJC
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Whoa, lets not say things we can't take back now
Could this be a "breakout" Holiday season for the Wii-U?
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Whoa, lets not say things we can't take back now
prankster101
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I don't know if Nintendo is badly managed, but their business decisions (and hardware tech) doesn't cater to my taste.
I find their Wii (with its waggle) and Wii U (tablet) to be alienating. It's like the Kinect. I have zero interest.
Give me a D-pad anyday.
The Maverick
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The Wii U is done, sorry fellas. I don't see any significant breakthrough happening for the console, especially not on the back of this winter lineup.
And as for the console outselling the PS4 and Xbox One. Lol. Not even in an alternate universe.
And as for the console outselling the PS4 and Xbox One. Lol. Not even in an alternate universe.
Nealand Liquor
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Actually EA, including a few other publisher/developers, classify generations by power. Doing so helps with internal development planning. It would be stupid for them not to and define generations by timeframe.
Anyway I feel the never-ending debate on what defines a generation as pointless as it is stupid. Placing the wiiu in the same generation as the xb1/ps4 isn't going to make them less powerful, just as it isn't going to make the wiiu more powerful. Simply classifing them in the same generation isn't placing them in the same category. It's a stupid and pointless argument that everyone involved needs to give up, get over and grow up.
Where are people getting the most recent sales data from though? I thought that as of right now the only solid sales numbers we have are from Japan.
Now as for my viewpoint, and honestly I have no idea how the Wii U will do during the holidays. Nintendo's big holiday game is Super Mario 3D World which isn't exactly aiming for the Killzone or Dead Rising crowd so it'll be interesting to see how sales stack up against each other. I think that if marketed well Nintendo could do well with the Wii U this holiday season, but it won't likely surpass PS4 and XB1 sales because that is the time when people will be buying those systems up the most.
Now as for myself, I have made the conscious decision to get a Wii U this holiday over PS4 and XB1, mostly because the launch lineups for both of those systems aren't really doing much for me (please note that this is just my opinion, I didn't say anything about the launch titles being bad), and the Wii U finally has a bunch of exclusives that I want, those being
Pikmin 3
Wonderful 101 (already owned)
Wind Waker HD
ZombiU
Lego City
MH3U
and upcoming exclusives like
Super Mario 3D World
Bayonetta 2
Sonic Lost World
Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze
X
Mario Kart 8
Yarn Yoshi
Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem
Smash Bros
Not to mention the deluxe is now $50 cheaper
I'll get a PS4 next year, not because I believe the price will go down, but because it's lineup is bound to be much better by then. I know a lot of GAFfers will probably laugh at me for what I've decided to do but there is really no harm in me waiting on getting a PS4, it's always going to be there and I can always get access to any PS4 games released on PS+ through my PS3 before they expire.
So yeah, that's my take on all of this.
Now as for my viewpoint, and honestly I have no idea how the Wii U will do during the holidays. Nintendo's big holiday game is Super Mario 3D World which isn't exactly aiming for the Killzone or Dead Rising crowd so it'll be interesting to see how sales stack up against each other. I think that if marketed well Nintendo could do well with the Wii U this holiday season, but it won't likely surpass PS4 and XB1 sales because that is the time when people will be buying those systems up the most.
Now as for myself, I have made the conscious decision to get a Wii U this holiday over PS4 and XB1, mostly because the launch lineups for both of those systems aren't really doing much for me (please note that this is just my opinion, I didn't say anything about the launch titles being bad), and the Wii U finally has a bunch of exclusives that I want, those being
Pikmin 3
Wonderful 101 (already owned)
Wind Waker HD
ZombiU
Lego City
MH3U
and upcoming exclusives like
Super Mario 3D World
Bayonetta 2
Sonic Lost World
Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze
X
Mario Kart 8
Yarn Yoshi
Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem
Smash Bros
Not to mention the deluxe is now $50 cheaper
I'll get a PS4 next year, not because I believe the price will go down, but because it's lineup is bound to be much better by then. I know a lot of GAFfers will probably laugh at me for what I've decided to do but there is really no harm in me waiting on getting a PS4, it's always going to be there and I can always get access to any PS4 games released on PS+ through my PS3 before they expire.
So yeah, that's my take on all of this.
There won't be a "last hope" so soon for the Wii U -- that kind of vocabulary is just Neogaf craving so badly for anything that can give them the illusion that they can know the fate of new systems as quickly as possible.
Just like not everyone buys a system for one game, not everyone buys a system for two games, or three games, or four games etc. I don't expect any of the announced games to turn things around on their own, I just expect each to add appeal and bring in more people. I mean, you now have a ton of people getting a 3DS for Pokemon, even though the system's been getting nearly all the big Nintendo games already. We've been seeing a lot of people just now buying PS3's, 360's, Wii's and DS's. There has to be enough for people to jump in, and "enough" is different for everybody. 2D Mario, 3D Mario, Donkey Kong, Wii Sports, Wii Party, Pikmin, Mario Kart, old Zelda, new Zelda, Yoshi, Xenoblade, Fire Emblem, Smash Bros. etc. -- that is closer to what "enough" means for a good amount of people outside Neogaf. How about Metroid, Mario Party, Kirby, that new "unprecedented" Pokemon game, Star Fox, Miyamoto's new IP, and whatever other game Nintendo will come up with?
I love predicting stuff. Love it. But no two systems are in the same situation. The Wii U is not the GCN, it's not the PS3, it's not the 3DS, it's not the Vita. My opinion is that in the Wii U's own, unique situation, the notion that we're even close to a last hope is too ridiculous to be associated with realism.
shinra-bansho
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We get leaks regarding NPD for the US (1.25M LTD through August, weekly average sales ~7-8K for the last few months).
Nintendo should post some charts in their semi-annual investor briefing as well. We have an indication of European sales from those charts as well (~550K for launch through March 2013).
Splash Wave
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^I have a PS4 pre-order right now, but I'm honestly considering this as well. Aside from the newness, there's nothing essential about the system for me at launch. The bigger mistake, and the one that worries me the most, is having to miss out on PS4's indie titles. This may sway me in its direction.
Not exactly what I meant by recent, I was more thinking September. I know creamsugar gives us info for NPD, so I'm sure we'll get more info from him on how Wii U did in the September NPD thread. Not quite too sure about PAL charts although I know Wii U sales saw an increase 600% in the UK for this week apparently due to WWHD although without solid number form the previous week to begin with, that info is pretty much useless.
I was just wondering because everyone seemed like they had a good grasp of the most recent Wii U numbers but I guess most of you are just as clueless as I am.
What the fuck is going on in this thread? Double posts all over, rampant trolling, feels like gamefaqs up in here.
Of course the Wii U CAN pick up steam this holiday. Not sure if it will though, depends on a lot of factors. It's possible with the maybe the right marketing, good reviews, some good old word of mouth. It's entirely possible.
Of course the Wii U CAN pick up steam this holiday. Not sure if it will though, depends on a lot of factors. It's possible with the maybe the right marketing, good reviews, some good old word of mouth. It's entirely possible.
I'm not sure why anyone actually expected the Wii U to do that well. It's probably going to wind up at gamecube numbers. The Wii probably would have wound up right there too if it didn't catch the motion control gimmick fad when it did. Nintendo has been an also-ran since the 64 days when it comes to home consoles.
Christopher
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Nope
It will acrualy be worse did you see Zelda wind waker Japanese sales?
It will acrualy be worse did you see Zelda wind waker Japanese sales?
shinra-bansho
Member
I'm not sure what you're expecting? When people refer to recent sales, they're refer to the most recently available data. Ymmv, but August is still recent sales data; July could still be considered recent sales data by some. September NPD will release in two days and people will refer to that as recent sales for the US through October and early November at least until we get October NPD numbers.
You mean if the biggest thing responsible for making a product successful didn't happen, it might've not sold as many units??!
whoa
Christopher
Member
Honestly I haven't turned on this Wii u in forever and god knows when I will again it just seems very lazy / half assed effort...
The 3DS on the other hand is one of the beet things Nintendo has recently put out...the variety and diversity in their library and upcoming is awesome as well as great third party support
The 3DS on the other hand is one of the beet things Nintendo has recently put out...the variety and diversity in their library and upcoming is awesome as well as great third party support
Aquamarine
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To add on to this:
The NPD data that gets released on Thursday, October 17th after market close shows us USA Wii U sales to consumers from September 1st through October 5th.
Nintendo's 2nd quarter investor presentation is also happening on Wednesday, October 30th, and it will show us Wii U shipments to retailers from July 1st through September 30th.
Really? Wow I didn't know that. I thought it would only focus on September. But I know NPD doesn't give hardware numbers so we'll have to rely on Ninten... pfffttt hahahaha yeah right, like Nintendo would actually give Wii U numbers in a NPD PR report. I guess we're pretty much going to have to go on whatever vague code or pie chart creamsugar gives us and work our way from there.
Thanks for the info though Aqua.
Edit: A little off topic but HOLY CRAP, I just realized that I'm no longer a Junior!
MikeE21286
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No.
Next holiday will be much better..
All those games plus Mario Kart and Smash Bros will be out.
Next holiday will be much better..
All those games plus Mario Kart and Smash Bros will be out.
Christopher
Member
Don't you think their gonna need somethjnf else besides the same sequels again and again...?
The 3DS is awesome because of stuff like Kid Icarus 3d
it's not selling because of stuff like kid icarus
it's selling because of mario, pokemon and mario kart. same sequels again and again sell.
prag16
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Do you value your account? Let's all settle down just a bit..
Louis Cyphre
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Super Mario 3D looks awesome, other than that the list is kind of meh.
Well, almost one year into its life, the Wii U is doing worse than the gamecube did, and i wouldnt be suprised if their respective lifetimes totals were similar when all is said and done. Im not sure if thats constitutes a success for Nintendo or not, but it seems to be business as usual for them; fairly strong first party support, no third party games to speak of. They had their fun with the Wii craze, didnt really capitalize on the momentum long term, and now they are back to pre-Wii status. Maybe they are content with that.
MikeE21286
Member
You're right.
It's built on Mario, Monster Hunter, Pokemon, Mario Kart, and Animal Crossing
cebri.one
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"I do not intend to declare how many Wii we will be selling today, but Wii will be a failure if it cannot sell far more than GameCube did. In fact, we shouldn't continue this business if our only target is to outsell GameCube."
- Satoru Iwata, 2006
Oracle Dragon
Member
I plan on getting a WiiU, but I'm not under any illusions that the system is going to get very far. But, people compare it to the Gamecube, which is one of my most loved consoles, so if I get a bunch of really nice exclusives on it it will be worth it. Besides, by the time I'm done with all of the good stuff WiiU has now (let alone anything coming in the future), it will be at least a year or more and then I can take a look at XB1 or PS4 and they will both have plenty of games to choose from.
I sure wish it would stop being $299 though!
I sure wish it would stop being $299 though!
The Gamecube was tracking far better than the Wii U at the same point in their respective life times. It would take a miraculous turnaround to do Gamecube numbers. It'll be lucky to do 15 million.
Is this why people want him to be fired all the time? I really would like some sort of video/post/excel pie chart explaining how Nintendo is 'mismanaged'.
McHuj
Member
If it was $199, I would have bought it for the new mario. But at $299, I'll move that money to either a X1 or PS4.
grosvenor_92
Member
No the hype surronding the PS4/Xbox One will probably ensure the Wii-U doesn't sell a lot
Iwata says Wii will avoid major droughts that plagued GameCube. (March 2007)
When we launched GameCube, the initial sales were good, and all the hardware we manufactured at that time were sold through. However, after this period, we could not provide the market with strong software titles in a timely fashion. As a result we could not leverage the initial launch time momentum, and sales of GameCube slowed down. To avoid repeating this with Wii, we have been intensifying the software development, both internally at Nintendo and at developers outside the company, in order to prepare aggressive software lineup for Wii at and after the launch. says Iwata. He then says, We believe it is important to provide the market with strong software without a long interval in order to keep the launch time momentum."
Iwata promises that 3DS will avoid major droughts that plagued Wii and DS.
Its important that you be able to supply software with no pause, said Iwata. With the DS and Wii, following the titles that were released at launch, the momentum dropped when there was a gap in software releases. Were making plans so that this type of thing wont happen.
Iwata promises that Wii U will avoid major droughts that plagued 3DS and Wii.
As we learned a bitter lesson with the launch of the Nintendo 3DS, we are trying to take every possible measure so that the Wii U will have a successful launch.
The company was unable to launch much-anticipated first-party titles for the Wii nor for the Nintendo 3DS in a timely fashion in the first half of the term. In the game platform business, creating momentum is very important, but the momentum was once lost, and it has had a large negative effect on our sales and profits.
Iwata apologizes for Wii U drought in January and February.
I apologize to those supporting Wii U about the lack of titles in January and February.
Can you sum up in a sentence how any of those examples could be construed as mismanagement?
dude promised games but we ain't got no games
EA promised lots of games, but we ain't got no lots of EA games. Does that mean EA is mismanaged?
Aquamarine
Member
I hope you have since realized that my finger slipped and I meant "through October 5th." It's been corrected for a while.
There's inefficiency in Iwata's leadership---he doesn't use Nintendo's large cash position effectively in the home console space, and he continues to apologize for droughts despite reassuring shareholders numerous times that it won't happen again upon console launches.
In terms of actually running the company's day-to-day activities (keeping the company well-run), Iwata does a perfectly decent job. It's his long-term corporate strategy and expansion planning that's of suspect.
biggersmaller
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Wii U is commercially dead. As someone who has purchased several failed systems it is a scenario I know all too well.
At least with the Wii U and Vita I knew they were flops when purchased, but I didn't care due to some of the exclusive titles. Some of you are in denial thinking the damn thing will fly off the shelves in the middle of a next-gen launch with all these "eat crow" nonsensical sales scenarios - reminds me of myself when hope sprung eternal for those SEGA platforms I watched die on the vine.
At least with the Wii U and Vita I knew they were flops when purchased, but I didn't care due to some of the exclusive titles. Some of you are in denial thinking the damn thing will fly off the shelves in the middle of a next-gen launch with all these "eat crow" nonsensical sales scenarios - reminds me of myself when hope sprung eternal for those SEGA platforms I watched die on the vine.
Exactly. Those who want a ps4 and XbOne aren't going to just go get a Wii U because supplies are limited. They'd either try their best to get the next gen consoles or will wait till they are in stock.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
Why polish the china on the Titanic?
no, avoiding the wiiu is a sign of proper management
Don't judge Wii U until its third christmas!
Who doesn't think EA is mismanaged? No one cares about them anyway, so that's a terrible point to make.
That list doesn't exactly scream "breakout".
Not dead, but the early launch advantage was horribly squandered.
Price drops and future titles will salvage the WiiU, but it's not going to be a pretty gen for the Nintendo console. IMO, Gamecube type support would be optimistic but not unreasonable.
Not dead, but the early launch advantage was horribly squandered.
Price drops and future titles will salvage the WiiU, but it's not going to be a pretty gen for the Nintendo console. IMO, Gamecube type support would be optimistic but not unreasonable.
The launch window for the WiiU is now defined as launch + 2 years.
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