CPU Wii U just as powerful as PS3, X360, GPU 1,5 times stronger

So basically it sounds like they are saying Arkham City looks as good or better than PS360, yet many here say it looks worse. Are we back to the "PS360 games look worse than PS360 games."

The Ass Creed 3 comparisons are funny because the only other version they're showing is the PC SKU. There's no way the PS360 versions will look like that.
 
From what I managed to gather in the last few days, NintendoWare isn't really an engine. I always thought it was, but it seems to be closer to something like DirectX, with some additional nuts and bolts that would typically be part of an engine. And there is no NintendoWare for Wii U (yet).
Sooooo, you lied! :p I joke. Interesting news.
 
Shocking headline! Non existent Wii U owners don't like games!

And if their best teams don't work on the Wii U, they can't really complain if their B/C tier efforts don't sell as well. But you can bet they will complain.

people who buy a system like the wii. obviously has less appreciation for graphics than those who bought 360 or ps3 especially early on.

why is this controversial?

You are talking like a fanboy.
 
people who buy a system like the wii. obviously has less appreciation for graphics than those who bought 360 or ps3 especially early on.

why is this controversial?

You are talking like a fanboy.
Just because someone brought a Wii doesn't mean they don't appreciate graphics, I think the amount of people going 'OMG Nintendo in HD!' proves that. You're making sweeping generalizations based on nothing, especially since many of those who brought a Wii would have a 360/PS3 as well. But yea, use the fanboy card to try and make your point. And your point has nothing to do with what I said, especially since you didn't even mention graphics in your original post.
 
Just because someone brought a Wii doesn't mean they don't appreciate graphics, I think the amount of people going 'OMG Nintendo in HD!' proves that. You're making sweeping generalizations based on nothing, especially since many of those who brought a Wii would have a 360/PS3 as well. But yea, use the fanboy card to try and make your point.

No.. and im sure there are and where plenty of wii owning graphics aficionados.


I am not talking about them. I am talking about the average wii owner. who bought the wii for the controls.
 
I am not talking about them. I am talking about the average wii owner. who bought the wii for the controls.
What exactly is the average Wii owner? Cause I brought it due to the controls, does that make me an average Wii owner? This doesn't make too much sense considering the controls is one of the main selling points for the system.

My whole point was that you can't say that Wii owners and hypothetical Wii U owners are an audience that don't appreciate games and developers work. If that was true they wouldn't buy games in the first place. That was what I was responding to in the first place.

Shadow of the BEAST said:
the best teams will not be working on wiiu. they will be working on next gen platforms where they are challenged and an audience that appreciate their work.
 
BEAST is obviously an industry insider because he seems to know everything. Let's stop arguing with him because he's obviously right :P
 
Ps3 and Xbox 360 are going to sell dozens of millions combined in the next 2-3 years.
They have social games and peripherals and will cost less money.

As showed by the fast decline of Wii and the bad launch of 3ds(still a commercial failure despite the huge sales) the casual gaming is in decline.
Kinect was a success but not comparable to the wiimote.


Also does this wiipad have the same appeal of the wiimote?
I don't think so, surely is more complicated to use.




How can something that have huge sell can be a commercial failure ?:o
 
On Xbox 360 even titles ported from Xbox(and the original xbox was significantly more powerful than ps2) showed its next gen capabilities: I mean kameo and Perfect Dark.
PGR3 looked awesome and COD2 was a pc port non comparable with old gen games.

I can see only worse looking games on Wii u. Things will change (if developers want to put some efforts in wii u development) but we can't expect a big leap.

Kameo at E3 05 looked a lot worse than it looked come launch though. in the following months, every time they showed it off it saw noticeable improvements. if you're comparing the unfinished Wii U games to anything other than E3 05 360 footage, you're making an invalid comparison.
 
Actually, I'm pretty sure this has changed with the Wii U. They're giving out a lot of free middleware to developers, and I think they're even giving out their own engine (NintendoWare).

I'm curious. The middleware they give out to developers can only be used with the Wii U, correct?
 
where are the ps4 and xbox 3 specs that are so crucial to your argument
The data leaked by VGLeaks seems to be legit; it will probably mean it will be at most 5 times more powerful than Wii U.

\the main difference last gen was that Wii was so much different in technology, that engine were not compatible.

being .5 more strong; I think he actually is using the correct english :D

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btw, JoshuaJSlone, did you ask to remove your tag yourself? :(


I'm curious. The middleware they give out to developers can only be used with the Wii U, correct?
Naturally.
 
The data leaked by VGLeaks seems to be legit; it will probably mean it will be at most 5 times more powerful than Wii U.

\the main difference last gen was that Wii was so much different in technology, that engine were not compatible.


being .5 more strong; I think he actually is using the correct english :D

He meant 1.5x or 50%
 
Saying Wii U "should have had a little more here or there" in terms of power is a little ridiculous from a business sense.

There's no sense in being the Dreamcast console of the next generation. There's two options: either your console is powerful enough to make quick and easy versions comparable to the other systems, or it's not. It doesn't matter if your system is 1/5th as powerful, 1/2 as powerful, or even 3/4ths as powerful the end result is the same. That being, developers are not going to waste their time or money downporting games at all. Hell, many can't even be bothered to port their games to just the Wii U so far from the 360/PS3.

So may as well make it a slightly better 360/PS3 because it's a waste of money to try to make it a little better to come close to PS4 when it will just be ignored all the same.
 
He meant 1.5x or 50%
I know :D

0.5 stronger = the same amount of strong + 0.5 more strong = 1.5xStrong;
1.5 stronger = the same amount of strong + 1.5 more strong = 2.5xStrong;


There's no sense in being the Dreamcast console of the next generation. There's two options: either your console is powerful enough to make quick and easy versions comparable to the other systems, or it's not. It doesn't matter if your system is 1/5th as powerful, 1/2 as powerful, or even 3/4ths as powerful the end result is the same. That being, developers are not going to waste their time or money downporting games at all. Hell, many can't even be bothered to port their games to just the Wii U so far from the 360/PS3.
100% agree.
 
Opinions. how do they work?

You must admit, looking at a video of a 360 game running on a 360 and then declaring it to look worse than a 360 game, is a pretty fucking weird opinion to have.

Almost like certain people had already made their minds up and didn't want the facts get in the way of their preconceptions.
 
You must admit, looking at a video of a 360 game running on a 360 and then declaring it to look worse than a 360 game, is a pretty fucking weird opinion to have.

Almost like certain people had already made their minds up and didn't want the facts get in the way of their preconceptions.

In the off cam footage of AC, the textures on enemies in the opening sequence did look like shit. Though I never played the 360/ps3 version, so I don't how it would compare.
 
quote me on that.

that is the definition of generational leap.
15x what? Flops? 360's GPU is rated at about 250 Gflops, the rumored best case scenario for Ps4/720 is about 1.9Tflops. 190 / 25 = 7.6 times 360 or 5 times Wii U's (worst case scenario of Wii U's GPU being only 1.5x360's, weaker than Drinky Cow's HD 4670M). Or what else are you referring with your 'Quote' that makes sense?
 
15x what? Flops? 360's GPU is rated at about 250 Gflops, the rumored best case scenario for Ps4/720 is about 1.9Tflops. 190 / 25 = 7.6 times 360 or 5 times Wii U's (worst case scenario of Wii U's GPU being only 1.5x360's). Or what else are you referring with your 'Quote' that makes sense?


thats the nintendo rumor. Which always seems to be megatonned.
 
Just because someone brought a Wii doesn't mean they don't appreciate graphics, I think the amount of people going 'OMG Nintendo in HD!' proves that. You're making sweeping generalizations based on nothing, especially since many of those who brought a Wii would have a 360/PS3 as well. But yea, use the fanboy card to try and make your point. And your point has nothing to do with what I said, especially since you didn't even mention graphics in your original post.
That's called hiveminding, but only when Nintendo fans do it.
 
No.. and im sure there are and where plenty of wii owning graphics aficionados.


I am not talking about them. I am talking about the average wii owner. who bought the wii for the controls.

I know a lot of PC gamers who also bought a wii because it offered something unique over the HD twins. And a lot of these guys are actual graphics whores who wouldn't want to ever play a game on a console if they can run it on their PC.
 
I can't wait for those Ps4 / 720s next year with their 4 TFLOP GPUs being all a generational leap ahead of the WiiU.

EDIT: I better start saving and getting that second job now.

Better wait another 2 to 3 years to find a game worth playing once they come out as well. If Wii U's launch lineup is shit, wait until you have big development teams trying to start from scratch on a super powerful system, after pushing out sequels on the current consoles.
 
I will do. If both next gen systems are not at least 10x the Wii U specs wise you'll be hearing from me. ;)

At least you delivered something of substance to this thread!

what would that even be? i mean, 20 gigs of ram? a six core processer clocked at 6 GHz?

there's just no way really that it's going to be x10. yeah, we DID go from the 300 MHz emotion engine to a 3 GHz multicore dealio. we DID go from 32 megs of ram in the PS2 to 512 in the PS3... but you just need to look at where the highest of high end PCs are these days to know that those kind of leaps are not happening again.

don't scale up from last gen's consoles, scale DOWN from current high end pcs.

PS4 and next Xbox will both be notably more powerful than the Wii U. I have no doubt of this, but x10 the Wii U? hardly. they're unlikely to be x10 the 360.
 
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