CPU Wii U just as powerful as PS3, X360, GPU 1,5 times stronger
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Then you didn't actually look at the top-tier games from each.
Barkley's Justice
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cyberheater
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It's not ancient hardware. It's the latest tech using the latest fabrication processes etc...
There are lots of reasons why Nintendo decided on this spec. Form size, heat profiles, power consumption, cost etc...
They obviously think it's enough. We'll have to wait and see if they are right.
specialguy
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I just think if you're a Nintendo fan, it might be hard to swallow for the next two years, but you're probably actually better off if WiiU is close to PS360 than if it was a true "tweener" system, where it could just kinda flop around longer, but ultimately still be unsuccessful.
My opinion it's going to force Nintendo into some hard decisions quickly, though I have no idea if they'll react well.
MrNyarlathotep
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For the sake of argument, if Nintendo had gone third party right now, do you think their launch title for the Xbox720 wouldn't be NSMB2 with avatars instead of Miis?
Nintendo would make more money by surviving on - at best - 50% revenue of software sales only, rather than on 50-100% of their own software sales, plus 30%+ of every other title sold on their platform?
Really?
What was the GC a gen behind in, other than marketing?
I can believe this rumor. I hope this doesn't limit the 3rd party games coming to the system in the future although there may be other reasons this will happen.
As far as Nintendo hardware in general I still dig their approach. The 3ds for example is pretty great to me. Its got the power to produce some great visuals and to realize most types of games. It does pretty much everything I look for in a portable gaming device. If only it had a second slide pad...
As far as Nintendo hardware in general I still dig their approach. The 3ds for example is pretty great to me. Its got the power to produce some great visuals and to realize most types of games. It does pretty much everything I look for in a portable gaming device. If only it had a second slide pad...
GhostTrick
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I agree. The hardware itself is modern in term of architecture and fabrication process. They just took a cheap hardware (I mean that not cost too much)
Been a pc gamer since my first 386 and commodore so speak for yourself when you say that. Also my and others post on Wii alone and now WiiU on this subject prove you wrong. Some of us called this type of jump pretty accurately.
720p is hella old if you're a pc gamer especially if you had a machine that could do 1600x1200 or 1280x1024 for at least a solid 15 years. Tech is relevant to the platforms that use it and those that can afford it.
plagiarize
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that's not his point. Wii releases WERE largely handled by B teams and as such very few Wii games looked as good as they could have in the hands of more talented teams. there is absolutely a possibility of something similar happening with the Wii U.
how many Wii games look better than RE4 (Capcom) and F-Zero (Amusement Vision) that weren't made in house by Nintendo? the Cube got lots of A teams making titles for it, the Wii got very few. what's the best looking third party Wii game? does it look better than RE4?
We have more info, yes; just not a piece of software that can give the idea of what it is really capable as it was Gears of War at E3 05 for Xbox 360 or Mario Galaxy at E3 06 for Wii.
We have people here using "current history" as an example of not underestimating Nintendo. Wii success equals WiiU success. That's fine maybe it will be. Based on that same premise I can also only go by current history judging what kind of system/hardware this will be and what kind of games/quality I can expect from it. I for one don't foresee passing current expectations. I think it will meet them about the same as the Wii. If they prove me wrong then awesome. I for one won't be jumping in any time soon whatsoever. Naturally that's just my choice, I'm way too skeptical and with good reason. Others will jump day 1 no matter what.
Refreshment.01
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This goes against your argument Plinko because it ignores the reality of Nintendo's position. Nintendo can't support 2 portable platforms, the Wii, then all the R&D for WiiU and release software. The resources are not infinite. Had the Wii released with more competitive hardware the chances for 3rd party adoption would have increased and that would function as the relief for the the transition to new hardware. So the dive in sales would be significantly less. In contrast, the 360 has enjoyed its best selling years late in to its life cycle.
And before coming with the rebuttal, please note that i said "chances of 3rd party adoption".
nordique
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The mass market still thinks Wii was just about as strong as a 360, sans HD
Guess what market Nintendo is selling the Wii U to?
Guess how many Wii owners never even owned an HD system before?
There's a lot of factors that play into a console's success. Wii U will be around for more than 2 years. Hardcore gamers always doubt Nintendo in these areas, and then Nintendo turns around and pulls out some smart business moves.
For example, this system is launching with Wii Fit U, New Super Mario Bros U, and Just Dance 4. Likely Call of Duty as well (we know its in development for the Wii U, probably was not ready to be shown off or MS had exlcusive E3 rights for CoD)
These are HUGE franchises. CoD is a 15MM+ selling franchise. Just Dance 10MM+. Wii Fit and NSMB are 20MM+ selling franchises.
These are franchises with a huge following, and while it may not have watch dogs or max payne 3, it does appeal to a much larger audience than any single title that has ever existed on the 360 or PS3 (from a sales perspective that is, as no titles from either system has sold over 20MM units...I don't even know how many more than 20 million each game from each franchise has sold)
So keep in mind, there is a larger business in play than the core core gamer. Its just the way it is.
cyberheater
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Really. I just can't see it. I think we'll see gamecube levels. No more.
I think it will do between Gamecube and Wii.
GhostTrick
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Oh I don't think so. Just with NSMBU and Wii Fit U, they should make some good sells.
It will depends of the price.
The Wii U games I played/saw were certainly (ok arguably in the case of Arkham City) on par with 360/PS3 multiplats.
The bird flying Japanese garden tech demo Nintendo showed last year was at least three times as impressive as anything I saw on the show floor in the past few days. So hopefully that's indicative of things to come.
I was more dissapointed with the total lack of must have software. And this is coming from someone who still has their Wii hooked up.
I trust Nintendo will ultimately deliver great experiences on their tried and true brands. Theres no way Im not playing a Wii U 3D Mario or Zelda or Metroid.
But at this point I can pretty safely say this is the first Nintendo console since the SNES I have no qualms about skipping day/month one.
The bird flying Japanese garden tech demo Nintendo showed last year was at least three times as impressive as anything I saw on the show floor in the past few days. So hopefully that's indicative of things to come.
I was more dissapointed with the total lack of must have software. And this is coming from someone who still has their Wii hooked up.
I trust Nintendo will ultimately deliver great experiences on their tried and true brands. Theres no way Im not playing a Wii U 3D Mario or Zelda or Metroid.
But at this point I can pretty safely say this is the first Nintendo console since the SNES I have no qualms about skipping day/month one.
plagiarize
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i don't think there are any numbers to confirm your statement or to begin forming sensible answers to these questions.
Oh, it is obviously going to be in the same ballpark as PS3/360 and will probably have some amazing looking titles as far as current-gen standards go. Which I am more than fine with, by the way. But after seven years, I am ready to take that next leap as well. Seeing the likes of UE4, Square's new engine and Star Wars 1313 feels like such a damn tease. I guess that was the intention, lol.
blu
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You can side with whoever you like on whatever subject you choose. Your statement that everybody else is saying differently to bg was plain wrong, though.
You cannot properly compare platforms until you subject them to similar workloads. The one proper way to see what wiiU can or cannot do vis-a-vis the competition is (1) when developers are well familiar with all platforms and then (2) devs try to downport workloads originating from the stronger platform(s). Unless both (1) and (2) are met it's all conjectures.
That last statement is a little off when you consider the support third parties were giving to other two consoles of it's time. Even if we exclude ps2 and just use xbox devs and actual games that pushed you will see devs just don't apply the same effort or get the opportunity on a nintendo platform.
Your first statement is on the money. For me rebel strike on gc says it all a 2k3 game about 18 months in to gc library and hasn't been topped by anything on Wii.
Seriously these statements make me cringe. The Wii is the only Nintendo console that is glaringly weak for god's sake. Everyone claiming this is how they've always been, or this is how they will always be hasn't been paying attention at all.
Not going to happen. Nintendo makes healthy profits from both hardware and 3rd party software sales.
You also have an advantage when you own your own platform. Look at how many 3rd parties complain that they cannot compete with Nintendo's first party titles. Sega also lost that advantage and review scores have tumbled since they became a third party. At the moment Sega has an identity crisis and their output is rubbish. Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 were great games (scoring many 90% reviews) until they got ported over to other people's hardware. Even Sonic 1, these days, is not as good as we remember it on the Genesis.
sorry, I completely disagree with you.
Nintendo has the heart of a gamer and they make great HW and I honestly dont want to be in a world where M$ and Sony are HW producers alone and can dictate the price like they try now.
Refreshment.01
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That's a polygon demo not a game, Xbox 360 and PS3 level hardware could handle the level of detail shown in the main screen (not sure about generating the less detailed sub-screen pov). Now, compare that to Beyond, what looks more impressive to you?
I think that holds true for all platforms at this year's E3. Pretty bad showing, with only very few games that looked interesting, such as Beyond, Pikmin 3, or Last of Us.
Thunder Monkey
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Logs I gotta say, I love ya man.
But I think you're barking up the wrong fishing line with this Pikmin thing.
Given the sales of the series, and the potential return from investment... I'd never expect Nintendo to push Pikmin far. The most I could have expected was them trying to convey a claymation look to it.
Other than that, it looking like an uprezzed Wii game is of no shock. And shouldn't be to anyone. Nor should NSMBWU looking as it does... because it doesn't need to.
I expect Zelda, SMG, Metroid, or whatever Retro and Monolith are working on to clearly look like top end "HD-generation" titles.
But this will be entirely dependent on the potential sales, budget, and development time of the series.
I just think they showcased the wrong games at E3. NSMBWU doesn't have to be pretty, and Pikmin was never going to be outside of a lovely art style.
But I think you're barking up the wrong fishing line with this Pikmin thing.
Given the sales of the series, and the potential return from investment... I'd never expect Nintendo to push Pikmin far. The most I could have expected was them trying to convey a claymation look to it.
Other than that, it looking like an uprezzed Wii game is of no shock. And shouldn't be to anyone. Nor should NSMBWU looking as it does... because it doesn't need to.
I expect Zelda, SMG, Metroid, or whatever Retro and Monolith are working on to clearly look like top end "HD-generation" titles.
But this will be entirely dependent on the potential sales, budget, and development time of the series.
I just think they showcased the wrong games at E3. NSMBWU doesn't have to be pretty, and Pikmin was never going to be outside of a lovely art style.
Personally, as a huge fan of Zelda and Metroid, I want these series to be able to offer me true next-gen experiences.
JoshuaJSlone
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Hahaha. With situations changed, they'd probably be the ones it would be hard to convince to get onboard with a major game at launch, rather than when there was a higher userbase to sell to. Their launch game would probably be the Nintendo Land equivalent for Kinect or whatever.
plagiarize
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i guess my perspective is a bit different as a high end PC owner, who's current PC could likely already play UE4 engine games and 1313 as well as next years consoles are likely to. just because my PC shits all over even the best looking titles on 360 and PS3 doesn't mean i can't still enjoy the way those games look on consoles and admire their technical achievement.
i just can't enjoy Wii games anymore on my current HDTV which makes them look even shittier than they really are. maybe in five years time i won't be able to enjoy Wii U games anymore. i'm fine with that sort of life span though.
NSMB Wii certainly wasn't pushing the Wii hardware in any way shape or form... but i do think the whole 720p thing is a bit disapointing if indeed it ends up releasing at that. if Rayman Legends manages 1080p (which I haven't seen confirmed, but speculating) then there's no excuse for NSMB Wii not to. Pikmin 2 wasn't the cutting edge of GameCube graphics either... and we know it started development on the Wii.
i still think it looks damn nice though, even if it could use some normal maps or what have you to make the ground look better. the tech demoes last year weren't lies, and they both impressed more than the demoes we saw this year. i'm sure the hardware is capable of more, but it is disapointing that it appears we won't be seeing anyone attempt to push it for at least its first quarter on the market. the 3DS had some decent looking stuff out in its launch window. i was really hoping Capcom would bring something as they've always pushed Nintendo hardware when no one else bothered to.
Majmun
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I'm just going by those rumored specs. If those are true, then yes, Nintendo just doesn't care about the specs/hardware.
They want to differentiate themselves with a new controller again. But that didn't really work with the Wii when it came to support. The Wii has probably the worst 3rd party support ever.
But the Wii had Wii Sports and other party games to appeal to the mass market. The Wii U is definitely lacking in that deartment so far.
By the time the Ps4/Nextbox arrive, and those console are vastly more powerful than the Wii U, 3rd parties will probably neglect Nintendo's console AGAIN.
That's just silly. All developers can create games for a specific hardware. I'm sure Nintendo could create Super Mario Galaxy 3 for the Ps4 or Nextbox.
bgassassin
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The main issue I have is that with you addressing my post in parts is that you made responses that were things I already said in that post.
But to address the other things, there's been no indication that Nintendo has required those components total usage, especially the DSP. Yes they are well versed in PPC code, but it's apparent the CPU is not the same architecture as Xenon or Cell.
Frozenbyte also said the game will look better on Wii U in comparison. In the end it's still a launch title.
And to say improvements would be "marginal at best" ignores all past console generations and sounds like you are making a comparion of it's ability vs PS4 and Xbox 3 instead of where it starts and where it finishes. And Wii is such a hardware anomaly it shouldn't be used in a lot of comparisons.
Don't know if it's *the* best, but Monster Hunter Tri was supposedly very good. It was made by an exclusive Wii team, though, so that sort of goes along with your point of a dedicated team doing better than B-Grade teams.
Agree with the point that the average Wii game probably looked worse than the average GCN game due to the average developers working on both, though.
That's the thing. With the time they have had to work on launch titles, if the Wii U was capable of more than PS3/360, would it not show in at least one title? I think it will have some great looking games before all is said and done, but I don't think it will be any more impressive than what we have seen in games like Uncharted. Guess we shall see.
LegendofJoe
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The WiiU is a mid-generation jump and will be closer in performace to the NextBox and PS4 than the Wii was to the 360 and PS3, so at least power wise it is in a better position than the Wii was. I doubt that will translate into better developer support for the WiiU, but at the very least Nintendo's games are going to make a MASSIVE jump in graphical fidelity. If you're a fan of their games that should be a pretty damn good reason to be excited about the WiiU.
Out of Working Order
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I don't understand why they're witholding the technical specifications.
If I am going to buy the hardware, don't I have a right to know what it's comprised of? Just as a cake manufacturer would print its ingredients on the side of the packet, so should Nintendo.
How much flour have they used? And I don't like raisins, so there better not be any of those in there.
If I am going to buy the hardware, don't I have a right to know what it's comprised of? Just as a cake manufacturer would print its ingredients on the side of the packet, so should Nintendo.
How much flour have they used? And I don't like raisins, so there better not be any of those in there.
Plinko
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I agree with you on 3rd-party help. They need it. I'm not saying they don't.
All I was arguing was that the Wii wouldn't have taken a huge nosedive had Nintendo actually shown the consumer that there was something good on the horizon. They didn't, and it tanked. All it would have taken was another 2D-Mario and/or another Mario Kart. That's it. They could easily have done that if they took resources away from a DS/3DS project or something of that nature. To be quite honest, after seeing E3, I'm still puzzled as to what they've actually been doing over the past year.
I think Nintendo's problem was that the 3DS was so poorly launched that they were forced into putting more resources into it than was originally planned.
I'm still adamant that this problem with 3rd-parties is never fixed until Nintendo finally is forced into a team-console with another company. Some say it never happens, I say they team with Apple after the Wii U. We'll see.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Is this your first Nintendo system?
GhostTrick
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I'm not sure about it. Nintendo makes their console with their game design ideas in mind.
Plus it's all about an identity. Look at Sega.
Nintendo games are done to be played on Nintendo consoles.
Well Beyond and Last of Us were pretty much my games of the show. Add Watch_Dogs too. Wasn't that confirmed for Wii U though?
Refreshment.01
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As a PC owner you should also understand that the beast of hardware you have is being held back by this console cycle. The faster we exit this situation (that would be if WiiU was true next gen hardware processing wise) the better for your interests.
cyberheater
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The fact that we didn't have a "Gears of War" moment at this years E3 tells me that Nintendo
have spent so long working on Gamecube/Wii level hardware that they lack the skills and talent to produce real next gen looking games.
Which explains why a lot of WiiU games look like upscaled Wii games.
I think it's going to take them a long while to adjust.
Define "Nintendo's Dreamcast in terms of sales success".
I'm curious.
DragonSworne
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Can we all just agree that WiiU is more powerful than the current gen and stop using phrases like "around the same ballpark" and "on par".
It makes it sound like the WiiU is slightly weaker in some aspects that current gen, but that is simple not true.
If anything, the phrases should be "PS360 on par with WiiU" or "PS360 around the ball the same ballpark as WiiU" if you insist on comparing the consoles.
It makes it sound like the WiiU is slightly weaker in some aspects that current gen, but that is simple not true.
If anything, the phrases should be "PS360 on par with WiiU" or "PS360 around the ball the same ballpark as WiiU" if you insist on comparing the consoles.
Well, you are already in next gen and have been there for awhile. As a lowly console peasant, I am blown away when I see games like Watch Dogs and what was capable in such a huge environment. If we get close to hitting on that on the next consoles, and have visuals that are close to what we see in Square's new engine, the UE4 demo and SW 1313, then I will be in heaven.
bgassassin
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Not really. You could argue either position is bad with being closer to PS360 being the worse position based on current reactions. At least as a tweener that would negate a lot of current reactions.
20M? That's all?
LOL @ Logz
I think it's more due to the fact that most of them started development on the Wii, Pikmin for example.