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[OldJadedGamer]

No, we just don't whine and nitpick like little bitches about everything under the sun.

You are either joking or you have never... ever seen a thread about MW2 not having dedicated servers. I've never seen so much crying in my entire life over something.

 

[NIN90]

You are either joking or you have never... ever seen a thread about MW2 not having dedicated servers. I've never seen so much crying in my entire life over something.

Taking away something vital from online PC gaming is hardly comparable to a few bugs here and there.

 

[FLEABttn]

You are either joking or you have never... ever seen a thread about MW2 not having dedicated servers. I've never seen so much crying in my entire life over something.

Generally nitpicking refers to tiny, fairly inconsequential things. The removal of dedicated servers is neither tiny nor inconsequential.

 

[ViolentP]

You are either joking or you have never... ever seen a thread about MW2 not having dedicated servers. I've never seen so much crying in my entire life over something.

Denial isn't only a river in Egypt, my friend.

 

[Dennis]

Too bad most PC players are pirates.

Do you like posting on GAF?

 

[Dennis]

That's a good point. Generally you're more forgiving when the product is free

Why don't you explain how PC games are free? That is news to me and my wallet.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

Taking away something vital from online PC gaming is hardly comparable to a few bugs here and there.

Sorry, but according to the developer within one minute users should have forgotten about it. What you are saying is that they only complain when it affects them? Console owners are used to getting software without patches so they have a right to complain about that. PC gamers are used to having dedicated servers so they have a right to complain about it.

 

[Ysiadmihi]

You are either joking or you have never... ever seen a thread about MW2 not having dedicated servers. I've never seen so much crying in my entire life over something.

And on the opposite end of the spectrum we have console gamers happily paying $15 for 3 maps.

So yeah, maybe you're right.

 

[Philanthropist]

Care to back that up? Can you back it up? Are you spewing baseless shit from your mouth?

Spoiler

The answers are no, no, and a strong yes

Does it physically hurt to be a fucking ignorant?

Wow at the hate and the extreme replies. Won't bother to quote anyone else.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6449421.stm

"Some estimates show that as much as 50% of game sales are lost to piracy in the US.

"In Eastern Europe, Asia and South America the losses are estimated to be 90% plus," he said.

ID software staff member on PC game sales, two years ago. I've got the feeling things aren't any better now. Go aim your hate towards him. Thank you.

 

[ViolentP]

Wow at the hate and the extreme replies. Won't bother to quote anyone else.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6449421.stm



ID software staff member on PC game sales, two years ago. I've got the feeling things aren't any better now. Go aim your hate towards him. Thank you.

A staff member here at my office says the same thing actually. He cleans the shitter.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

I truly believe that Crytek can make an amazing looking game on consoles, but it would be so much easier reading all these articles about being at console graphics throne if there was actually some gameplay videos available with newer builds.

I'll believe they overthrew Killzone 2 when I see some HD gameplay. When is the blowout expected, E3?

 

[Arpharmd B]

Well it's pretty obvious that the PS3 was the lead and the 360 gets the "lazy" port from those "lazy" developers who don't know teh power of teh Xenos.

Clearly, years down the line, when developers get the hang of the hard to develop for Xenos processor then things will be different.

I just wish Microsoft Fungineers would have helped in the port, then it would have been 2x better than the PS3 version because of the almighty dual FX engine blast processors working to take advantage of all the xpu's and enter the visuals into mode 7.

When will lazy devs learn.

 

[RubberJohnny]

A staff member here at my office says the same thing actually. He cleans the shitter.

I guess he was put out of a job by piracy?

Link

In 2008, Reflexive looked at the people who submitted high scores for Ricochet Infinity and found that 92% of all players were using pirated copies of the game. Also that year 2DBoy reported 90% piracy on World of Goo. Last year developer Beautiful Game Studios' claimed that Championship Manager was the victim of a 90% piracy rate. During the week the Demigod was released, publisher Stardock found that 85% of all players looking for a game were pirates. All of these are PC titles.

It's very interesting how close all of these numbers are, despite the diversity of the games themselves. Casual and hardcore. Esoteric and mainstream. Indie and big-budget. DRM and DRM-free. Newly-launched titles and and games which have been been out for a year. All of them are from different companies. Yet the piracy numbers are within a few percentage points of each other. I think that, unless we're going to imagine that all of these disparate parties are somehow forming this conspiracy to over-hype the effects of piracy, we can be very confident that the 90% figure is a pretty reliable number.

Anyway, this debate will go nowhere, so let's not clutter the thread with it.

 

[VaLiancY]

Wow at the hate and the extreme replies. Won't bother to quote anyone else.

To be fair, you have to admit it was shortsighted thing to say.

 

[Baki]

You are either joking or you have never... ever seen a thread about MW2 not having dedicated servers. I've never seen so much crying in my entire life over something.

Sorry, that is a valid criticism. Hell, they should've had dedicated servers for the consoles.

 

[Cep]

Thus begins pages and pages of rampant speculation over exactly what "slightly more performance" means.

Allow me to say this preemptively:

Put it back in your pants, Fanboygaf. Just walk away. Pretend you never saw this thread.

Well said.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

Sorry, that is a valid criticism. Hell, they should've had dedicated servers for the consoles.

Valid or not, PC gamers should have gotten over it in one minute. The person I quoted said that PC users don't whine and whine they did about dedicated servers. For goodness sakes there is a guy in the BF2 thread right now whining about not having a toggle crouch on PC while it's on the consoles.

PC users whine and cry about shit just like every other gamer out there. Don't pull no high and mighty shit around here.

 

[yurinka]

Why don't you explain how PC games are free? That is news to me and my wallet.

I think the problem is in the business model.

You can make secure free online based games, and add microtransactions, DLC etc for upgrades and similar.

If they want to continue selling in retail, they can also sell the Special Edition full pack in a disc (or with download codes), and some exclusive stuff in a good package in addition to extras and things like artworks or soundtrack.

 

[Snuggles]

Honestly, for the PS3 version I'd be more excited and impressed if they were to incorporate KB/M support and mods like Unreal Tournament 3 did, pretty graphics are nice but that would be a much bigger deal for me.

 

[itxaka]

Are they still keeping the huge gun who takes a 25% of the screen? Haven't seen any videos of C2 on consoles lately.

 

[JRW]

Only response to this thread

lol

 

[StuBurns]

Honestly, for the PS3 version I'd be more excited and impressed if they were to incorporate KB/M support and mods like Unreal Tournament 3 did, pretty graphics are nice but that would be a much bigger deal for me.

Has there been anything other than UT3 which supports K/M on PS3 yet?

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Valid or not, PC gamers should have gotten over it in one minute. The person I quoted said that PC users don't whine and whine they did about dedicated servers. For goodness sakes there is a guy in the BF2 thread right now whining about not having a toggle crouch on PC while it's on the consoles.

PC users whine and cry about shit just like every other gamer out there. Don't pull no high and mighty shit around here.

"Whining" and "should have gotten over it" and "nitpicking" inherently imply that the complaints are not valid. If they are valid complaints, then what you're saying falls apart entirely.

 

[Snuggles]

Has there been anything other than UT3 which supports K/M on PS3 yet?

I don't think so.
I understand why dev's don't bother with it, it's probaby not worth the effort, but I wish they would. It would have been nice for Dragon Age.

 

[StuBurns]

I don't think so.
I understand why dev's don't bother with it, it's probaby not worth the effort, but I wish they would. It would have been nice for Dragon Age.

Sometimes it would be virtually no effort because there is a PC version, something like Red Alert should have never shipped without it, it's senseless. The only thing I can possibly think of is it might piss of Microsoft, but I doubt that.

 

[Snuggles]

Hell, I wish Microsoft would do it too. I love my controllers but having the option would be cool.
They could even add Microsoft Word support in the next update, that would be sweet.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

"Whining" and "should have gotten over it" and "nitpicking" inherently imply that the complaints are not valid. If they are valid complaints, then what you're saying falls apart entirely.

But being a valid complaint is in the eyes of the developer and if not... then who's to decide what is valid or not. If the developer doesn't see it as a valid complaint then it's not right? IW didn't think the dedicated server thing was a valid complaint so hence, people who complained about it where whining to them. If you think it's valid... or if I think it's valid, who's to say. I don't think it's a valid complaint about dedicated servers and you do. So that's your right to complain about it. But if I don't think it's valid and you complain about it then it's whining. If you feel my complaint isn't valid and I complain about it then you feel I'm whining.

Fact still remains that PC gamers whine and nitpick shit and don't get over things just like every other gamer out there.

 

[Y2Kev]

But being a valid complaint is in the eyes of the developer and if not...

What? Really? It's the designer to determine whether or not the complaint is valid? This doesn't remind you of Kutaragi defending the broken square button on launch PSPs as the way he wanted it to be designed?

 

[Jesse Jane]

To bad most PC gamers are pirates.

/end

 

[OldJadedGamer]

What? Really? It's the designer to determine whether or not the complaint is valid? This doesn't remind you of Kutaragi defending the broken square button on launch PSPs as the way he wanted it to be designed?

You deleted the rest of my post. I'm asking who decides that a complaint is valid? The developer... the publisher... you... me... my dog?

 

[Nafai1123]

MLAA plz!

 

[Nizz]

Are they still keeping the huge gun who takes a 25% of the screen? Haven't seen any videos of C2 on consoles lately.

This is one thing I was/am hoping they take care of in the final version. I believe MW2's FOV on consoles is 65. From the clips (although I understand have been tech demos) I've seen FOV looks like it's 55-60. I hope they make it at least like MW2.

 

[Y2Kev]

You deleted the rest of my post. I'm asking who decides that a complaint is valid? The developer... the publisher... you... me... my dog?

Is this some kind of rhetorical existential question?

If the developer doesn't see it as a valid complaint then it's not right?

This is why I deleted the rest of your post. Do you believe that only the developer can deem a complaint valid?

 

[Kibbles]

Fuck this console war bs. Every day a new article is featured on some shit site like n4g saying the 360 version looks better, then ps3, then the same. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Tom Penny]

I wonder how much the PC version of Crysis 2 is getting compromised on the PC because of the console versions. It will probably look marginally better than the first one when you run it with mods if at all.

 

[BobsRevenge]

/end

The end of the end?

:O

 

[RavenFox]

I wonder how much the PC version of Crysis 2 is getting compromised on the PC because of the console versions. It will probably look marginally better than the first one when you run it with mods if at all.

Nothing on PC is going to be compromised. This isn't Supreme Commander.

 

[I_D]

Console gamers and PC gamers are both deprived.

Console gamers miss out on mods, editors, custom saves, and dedicated servers.
PC gamers miss out on many exclusives, a unified communication system, achievements, and there are occasionally problems when trying to run some games.

I'm sure I left some things out, but it's ridiculous to say that one audience is more tolerant than the other.

 

[AndyD]

Fuck this console war bs. Every day a new article is featured on some shit site like n4g saying the 360 version looks better, then ps3, then the same. Rinse and repeat.

Yep. Someone said it earlier, we will end up comparing zoomed in shots of a rock in the background.

 

[belvedere]

Nothing on PC is going to be compromised. This isn't Supreme Commander.

There's no way level size and scope won't be dramatically compromised to fit the console RAM limitations.

 

[beast786]

Nothing on PC is going to be compromised. This isn't Supreme Commander.

Are you sure?

 

[Tworak]

Nothing on PC is going to be compromised.

:lol :lol :lol

wow.

 

[BobsRevenge]

Console gamers and PC gamers are both deprived.

Console gamers miss out on mods, editors, custom saves, and dedicated servers.
PC gamers miss out on many exclusives, a unified communication system, achievements, and there are occasionally problems when trying to run some games.

I'm sure I left some things out, but it's ridiculous to say that one audience is more tolerant than the other.

As soon as a game like The Witcher or STALKER becomes extremely well regarded and sells relatively well when released for consoles, despite being glitchy and generally unpolished, you'll have a point. I haven't seen it.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

But being a valid complaint is in the eyes of the developer and if not... then who's to decide what is valid or not. If the developer doesn't see it as a valid complaint then it's not right? IW didn't think the dedicated server thing was a valid complaint so hence, people who complained about it where whining to them. If you think it's valid... or if I think it's valid, who's to say. I don't think it's a valid complaint about dedicated servers and you do. So that's your right to complain about it. But if I don't think it's valid and you complain about it then it's whining. If you feel my complaint isn't valid and I complain about it then you feel I'm whining.

Fact still remains that PC gamers whine and nitpick shit and don't get over things just like every other gamer out there.

Weird.

The first paragraph is some non-argument tangent about subjectivity and how "it's all opinions, man," and then you actually finish it off with a sentence literally stating that your opinion is fact.

 

[mave198]

Regardless how it turns out on both consoles, Crytek is doing this right as far as multiplatform goes.


More devs need to take notice..

 

[OldJadedGamer]

Weird.

The first paragraph is some non-argument tangent about subjectivity and how "it's all opinions, man," and then you actually finish it off with a sentence literally stating that your opinion is fact.

Every gamer has the right to complain about what they see fit. Saying that PC gamers don't whine or nitpick is stupid to state since reading GAF for 10 minutes will show that is incorrect. I just pointed out the MW2 dedicated server thing since that is the most recent issue that has garnered the most tender tears. The PC elite bullshit is the post I was responding to.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Every gamer has the right to complain about what they see fit. Saying that PC gamers don't whine or nitpick is stupid to state since reading GAF for 10 minutes will show that is incorrect. I just pointed out the MW2 dedicated server thing since that is the most recent issue that has garnered the most tender tears. The PC elite bullshit is the post I was responding to.

Except that wasn't whining. We just went over this, and you delivered a fantastically clumsy avoidance of the question.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

Except that wasn't whining. We just went over this, and you delivered a fantastically clumsy avoidance of the question.

To me it's whining. To you it's not. So again, who decides what complaint is valid? And around we go again....

 

[NIN90]

Really, you don't get it. I'd say most console gamers wouldn't play STALKER or The Witcher for more than 2 minutes. PC gamers play them because they don't whine as much when games feel a bit janky. Some PC gamers actually prefer janky games.

 

[Chrange]

Yeah, stupid console gamers wanting good controls and games that don't crash?