Mr Moose
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PS4 Pro is 1600x900-2133x1200.
What's the native resolution on Switch 2?
Cyberpunk 2077 Switch 2 vs Steam Deck Early Graphics Comparison
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What's the native resolution on Switch 2?
Good, we are right on track, we comparing it to what we should compare.
This is what DF told:
But maybe you missed my statement about how dlss also cost huge performance. And why they use it anyway as it provide a better IQ as the native resolution.
The ps4 pro has also worse popins and more unstable framerate besides the image quality.
The final results is that the switch 2 is better as the ps4 pro version. We clearly see that in those compare video's.
Not sure why you keep pointing out the native resolution as it doesn't matter at all. Besides ignoring the fact of the DLSS cost.
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Zathalus
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Yes the facts are there.
The PS4 Pro has a more powerful GPU.
The Switch 2 is better with everything else.
Switch 2 games will look significantly better due to DLSS (when it is used).
The Switch 2 is clearly not current-gen level, with most of the heavy cross-platform games not offering a 60fps mode. It is capable of more than the previous gen consoles though.
You keep claiming it's not a PS4 level experience, but it clearly is in some games. Hogwarts Legacy has far more in common with the PS4 version (never mind the PS4 Pro) then it does the Series S version. In other games it will be better, like Cyberpunk 2077 for example.
Mr Moose
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Huh, you pointed out resolution, I've never talked to you before how do I keep pointing it out? So native resolution doesn't matter now because one is using DLSS? Do you think DLSS costs the same as a native resolution?
It is a higher res isn't it? So it isn't nonsense.
Pro has had stable-ish fps for a while now, 29.77fps average during this test.
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The tech is more in line with current gen on almost every level. More ram, storage speed, newer cpu and dlss & raytracing.
Sure it doesn't run 60fps, but having a 40fps (which isn't just 10fps more) it's more like in the middle with already vrr support in handheld mode will feels much closer to 60fps as to 30 fps. But i don't think anyone would claim the switch 2 will run games the same way as a ps5 does. It's still a portable device. The most surprising thing is on how it already can run games better as a ps4 pro. Will it be in every area like that? Too soon to tell.
Lol no, not at all. It's clear that switch 2 is more relying on series s ports. The current list of games are already closer to series s. We see this again with games like cyberpunk, sf6, final fantasy, civilization, Starwars and more. Everyone is calling it a series s lite console. If it already succeed the ps4 pro in terms of visuals, it's a given it's much closer to current gen. Unless bad ports. You are always going to have that. Not to mention that those games on ps4 were created on the end of it's generation while with switch 2, it's at the beginning at it's generation. Yet it already exceed ps4 pro with some of the games.
You do know that there are different of quality modes with DLSS?
The one used in switch 2 is in line with the one of the most expensive on pc when comparing the dlss cyberpunk dlss pc version with switch 2
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Mr Moose
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I have a Nvidia GPU. Expensive GPUs wouldn't be running this game at a low resolution.
Edit: Wait, do you think they are using DLSS 4 on Cyberpunk Switch 2 version?
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We just don't know which version is uses. Keep in mind that the switch 2 launch will receive an huge update which also includes DLSS improvements as well.
Maybe you don't like him, but it definitely show what the results are.
Lets not forget DF could not even tell the different are they were thinking all game were not using DLSS....
It's that good.
Mister Wolf
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Mister Wolf
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Buggy Loop
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Switch 2 version(1080p with DLSS) produces better IQ than XSS quality mode(1440p with FSR2)
You watched the video and your take away was Switch 2 is as good as Steam Deck? It's clearly much better...
Also, some people crack me up. What's the overlap of people jerking it to DF videos when PS5 shows a slight fps edge over XSX and claiming it's much much better but when we see footage of a Switch 2 game clearly outclassing PS4/Pro they still claim it's barely a ps4? I bet it's a high overlap.
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Windom Earle
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It is a very bland game with no real depth.
rodrigolfp
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Again using FSR instead of XesS that is better.
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Zathalus
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It's because most just use the Steam Deck performance profile that defaults to a bunch of high settings and FSR balanced. Actually tweaking the graphics settings allows you to use XeSS Quality, even in Dog Town. That being said I still expect the Switch 2 to offer better image quality in portable play due to DLSS, even with it pushing less pixels.
rodrigolfp
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IQ is better on SW2,1080p vs 800p is one reason. But Deck can go close to 60fps vs Switch 30fps only (so far).
GigaBowser
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steemdecks fans sets themself for DISASTER game looks like GAMEGEAR buuuut brag inconsastant 50 fps ahahahaha
Mister Wolf
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Switch 2 version(1080p with DLSS) produces better IQ than XSS quality mode(1440p with FSR2)
And with this we can all move on from the Steam Deck and PS4 Pro comparisons to the Switch 2.
Minsc
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I frequently see Cyberpunk called unstable on the Deck, since the latest patches months ago - maybe some areas can get close to 60 with graphics reduced, but I also expect some areas drop under 30. And even if not (maybe the people complaining are just using medium preset or whatever), there's quite a number of other games, including The Witcher 3, Deep Rock Galactic, and others which received graphic patches on Steam and now run worse than before on the Deck.
The Deck's hardware is just not as well suited to modern AAA games as the Switch 2 or Ally X. Nor is it as well suited to running via FSR games to 2160p as those two devices.
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LordOcidax
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Time to eat… Including DFSwitch 2 version(1080p with DLSS) produces better IQ than XSS quality mode(1440p with FSR2)
. Also no day 1 patch, can improve even more.
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kevboard
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that's not why they couldn't tell it's using it.
the opposite is the case.
the post processing is done at the input resolution, which means it looked extremely low res in motion due to motion blur, DOF, CA, lens effects etc. being low resolution.
on PC, Nvidia recommends to render these at the target resolution and not the input resolution for exactly that reason.
this meant they had to look for a scene in the early promo material where the camera is nearly still and where something is at the center of the screen and medium distance, so that none of the post processing overshadowed the DLSS resolve.
so DF "couldn't tell" it's using DLSS, because it looked too bad to be using it, as the post processing seen all but eliminated the benefits it should have.
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LordOcidax
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With the IQ of the Deck, the Switch 2 probably can go 80fps…
kevboard
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it's already CPU limited, so, highly doubt it could get to 60fps even if you ran it at 240p docked
LordOcidax
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Mister Wolf
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So the CPU in the Steam Deck is better than what's in the Switch 2?
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rodrigolfp
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"Could" doesn't let me play like that. "Can" does.
LordOcidax
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kevboard
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it seems to be yes. the Deck has a pretty decent Zen2 CPU, and it has the benefit of being able to dynamically boost when needed.
given that the Switch 2 has very obvious FPS drops during traversal, there's no way it can hit 60fps reliably in the open world.
Lionel Richie
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I watched the video and came to the conclusion that the Switch 2 is about as good as the overall best comparable hardware in a niche market. The Deck isn't the MOST POWERFUL gaming PC, but it's pretty much the best option for that kind of device. The fact that a more mainstream focused company can deliver that on a normie package is incredible, it's like if the PS5 was as powerful as a PC when it came out or if God of War had gameplay as good as Devil May Cry.
daclynk
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daclynk
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Switch 2 version(1080p with DLSS) produces better IQ than XSS quality mode(1440p with FSR2)
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RodriGames40
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If anyone ever questioned how far ahead Nvidia was to AMD until FSR4 came along...Switch 2 version(1080p with DLSS) produces better IQ than XSS quality mode(1440p with FSR2)
Zathalus
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Yeah, the screen resolution can make quite a big difference. Just using the ROG Ally or MSI Claw 8 and XeSS on both of those look miles better compared to the Steam Deck due to the higher output resolution. XeSS performance at 1080p would look quite a bit better vs XeSS quality at 800p, even if the internal render resolution for both is very close.
That being said, I think the Switch 2 is upscaling to 720p in portable mode? It certainly looked nowhere near as sharp as 1080p when I saw it in person.
GigaBowser
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Zathalus
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I've seen Cyberpunk on both a MSI Claw 8 and a Switch 2 handheld in person, and the Claw absolutely blows it away.
Don't believe me? Look at the offscreen footage and FPS numbers here:
GigaBowser
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in person EVENT 3 MONTH OLD BUILD
pc handheld nort opertermized stutter crud
The MSI Claw, specifically when running Cyberpunk 2077, can experience issues with stuttering or frame rate drops, which may be attributed to various factors including software, game settings, or hardware limitations
FalconPunch
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Imagine criticizing the frame drops of the claw 8 ai when the switch 2 drops to 20fps and lower in docked mode. Who knows how bad it'll get in portable mode smh. You don't make very good arguments and your logic is completely flawed.
It's like playing on a next gen handheld compared to the switch 2.
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Zathalus
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Which MSI Claw is that AI pulling data from? Because the original MSI Claw was pretty shit. But as you can see from the footage I just provided the MSI Claw 8 AI+ (yes a really dumb name) plays it extremely well. It spends a huge amount of time north of 60fps as well, and VRR easily covers the rest.
Zathalus
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To be fair, it is a $1000 system. So you would hope it plays it well.
GigaBowser
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stuttering crud nort optermized 1000 dollars they sell 100 copies nobody cares about this im sorry my friends
Zathalus
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Number of copies sold for a sold for profit accessory don't really matter do they? As for stutter, the footage completely proves that wrong doesn't it?
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rodrigolfp
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The lvl of trolling is over 8000. Plus it's 100 people having a better experience.
FalconPunch
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Ok but you get what you pay for I guess. The ROG ally x is less that 2x the price of the Switch 2 but delivers > 2x the performance. As Jensen once said, "the more you buy, the more you save". Right now, based on what we're seeing from the games in terms of performance, the switch 2 is looking like a very bad deal. In the long run, purchasing something like the ROG ally x would be cheaper once we factor in the cost of games, online subscription, etc. You have access to Switch, Wii U, GameCube, DS, 3ds, ps2, ps3, xbox 360, psp and ps vita games on the Ally X via emulation. Meanwhile on switch 2.....
I'm just waiting till AMD releases an RDNA 4 chip for these devices then we're golden.
GigaBowser
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LordOcidax
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That thing is a monster
. Amazing what portable hardware can achieve, but damn US$1000 is a lot.
rodrigolfp
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