Cyberpunk 2077 Switch 2 vs Steam Deck Early Graphics Comparison
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GigaBowser
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yes its all true my friends we should all be harpy df confirm switch 2 image qualities better in some ways thens series s
Zathalus
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That's not even the same device. There are two MSI Claws, the shit one and the good one.
OverHeat
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yes its all true my friends we should all be harpy df confirm switch 2 image qualities better in some ways thens series s
True but it's not the holy grail of handheld your making it to be! It's going to be a glorious place to play Nintendo games but for the rest there is better options out there. Sorry to burst the bubble. Can't wait to play Mario Kart in 2 weeks BTW.
bender
What time is it?
TrebleShot
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All these comparisons are in docked mode right?
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
$1000 portimble nort optermized stutter bad upscales ai tonker with settings switch 2 best banged for buck annnnnnd nintendos games you must trust me my friends
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Buggy Loop
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The fucking heat exaust on that thing is thicker than Switch 2
I'm happy for those who would buy this and be satisfied with an hand warmer. I mean in Canada it can be beneficial.
There's no other "options" to play Nintendo games. If I have to "dock" a PC handheld to get those 30W battery draining performances that are oh so much better, than I'll start my PC. Those PC handhelds outside of Steam deck are total shit in lower power tiers for handheld.
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So based on you comment, it's PC only? Because, having a highend expensive PC would always allows you to play games with better gfx in general.
But there is a reason why a lot are buying something else.
I mean, most ps5 games doesn't even support a mouse and can't be played offline on the go. So to say, better options is some next level bs.
Even some experts already told that SF6 has less input lag as the pc version.
Durin
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I mean outside of the tiny handful of new Nintendo Switch 2 games so far, the vast majority of the Switch library back to the NES is something you can emulate on PC and even play on these PC handhelds. The Switch 2 will eventually also follow suit and be emulated too.
The recent Dave2D video showed the Legion Go once installed with SteamOS getting better performance at lower-end 10w than the Steam Deck, and massive improvements to battery life. The other handhelds were shit because of Windows.
Switch 2 looks good, probably on XSS level. Those drops to 20s while driving are annoying, but maybe CDPR can improve performance with patches. Btw, if we're comparing docked Steam Deck can get like ~20-25% performance boost if you raise TDP, undervolt & overclock CPU/GPU and tighten RAM timings.
Shane89
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No, it's a garbage that makes games run fine with AI
Little Mac
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Zathalus
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Pretty much as expected, Switch 2 is more efficient, but the Steam Deck has a way larger battery and higher TDP so it takes the crown in sheer performance. Switch 2 is obviously better when docked.
IlGialloMondadori
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Little Mac
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Good synopsis. Seemed like the guy was fair in the benchmarks too in regards to the TDP difference. It's a very efficient piece of hardware for sure but there is a significant difference when both handhelds are running on all cylinders. The load times were also really a surprise to me.
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YeulEmeralda
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Sure but why would you play anything but bing bing wahoo on a Switch if you have a PC?
The fucking heat exaust on that thing is thicker than Switch 2
I'm happy for those who would buy this and be satisfied with an hand warmer. I mean in Canada it can be beneficial.
There's no other "options" to play Nintendo games. If I have to "dock" a PC handheld to get those 30W battery draining performances that are oh so much better, than I'll start my PC. Those PC handhelds outside of Steam deck are total shit in lower power tiers for handheld.
Honestly you ruin the experience of a game like CP2077 by playing it on a handheld. Every part was handcrafted to be played on a big screen with HDR.
Deerock71
Very Poor Hoice of Wor
It was meant to be played. I'd have bought it if they could've squeezed it onto the Switch.
FalconPunch
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A really good comparison which unfolds highlights some of the problems I have with the switch 2. The chip is quite efficient. Probably the most efficient portable high power chips of all the high powered portables. However at the end of the day, it makes no material difference to the user.
Nintendo really didn't try at all. How can you have a chip this efficient and the battery life is worse than the steam deck Oled, switch 1 red box/ Oled, rog ally x, etc. if Nintendo put this chip on tsmc 5 instead of Samsung, it would be the most powerful portable by far while having the best battery life. They'd be able to run the chip at higher click speeds while keeping the power down.
At the end of the day, we just have a disappointing end result where the switch 2 delivers worse performance than the steam deck Oled while also having worse battery life. All of this happens despite the switch 2's chip being more efficient. A really unnecessary own goal by Nintendo and ultimately why I'll be returning my switch 2 before the 30 days runs out. At the end of the day, it comes out way later than the pc handhelds while delivering worse performance.
You can be late and better. You can be late and be cheaper. You can't be late while being worse and more expensive.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
It does. It delivers lower than low settings experience.
Minsc
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I love my OLED Deck, but in no world is it faster than the Switch 2, unless you put weird restrictions in place. The Switch 2 runs 1080p @ 10W or 2160p @ 20W and the Deck runs 800p @ ~18W. So you're either comparing the Switch 2 at 10W vs Deck at 18W, or Switch 2 at 20W vs Deck at 18W, and guess which one you're doing and which you're not.
The OLED Deck only has better battery life because its battery is larger. 50Wh vs 20Wh. If you put a 20Wh battery in the OLED Deck it has worse battery life, if you put a 50Wh battery in the Switch 2 it has better battery life.
Of course a 50Wh device > 20WH device. Are you going to be surprised if a 400Wh battery lasted longer than a 5Wh battery?
Going from Ampere on 8nm to Ada on 5nm gets you around 50% extra performance per watt, in the best case. That would allow slightly faster performance at the same battery life as the Switch 1. It would not be "the most powerful portable by far". There's only so much you can do with a ~7W SoC and a ~20 Wh battery.
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FalconPunch
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Firstly, it doesn't run at 1080p so get that right. It runs at 540p or lower and is upscaled to 1080p using DLSS. That's not remotely equivalent to running at 1080p. Secondly, watt for watt comparison are useless for the end user. You'll run it at the maximum wattage to take advantage of the device. Finally, my statements are with regards to the switch 2 in handheld mode. It's worse than the steam deck Oled. I compared both devices and it's worse on the switch 2 in handheld mode. In docked mode, I have a 2 pcs(4080 super and 9070xt), ps5 pro.. I can't think of a more useless device that switch 2 in docked mode.
Thats not my concern. I can only use the device as configured. Talk to Nintendo about how they managed to charge more than the steam deck Oled for the Mario kart bundle in my country while putting a battery that is less than half the capacity of the steam deck Oled. Add in worse battery life, worse screen, worse ergonomics, more expensive games, bad wifi, and worse controls.
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FalconPunch
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if it provided 50% faster performance per and they put in a similar battery to the competing handhelds (50wh), it'll deliver would be way faster. At least until the z2 extreme came out. As it's stands, I'm not even sure it's better than the Z2 go chip.
FalconPunch
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You're right, my apologies.
Minsc
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Um, it definitely runs at native res, MKW is 1080p handheld, and I can just run the docked profile on the go anyway, like with Switch 1. So I get 1080p for everything.
There's just no world in which I see the Steam Deck as more capable than the Switch 2. It struggles so badly on so many modern releases, it's not even a device I'd recommend to anyone to play new games on today.
Kataploom
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Nor does Steam Deck run the game natively unless you're ok with 13 fps avg
FalconPunch
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Yea, you have no idea what you're talking about and it's obvious. Cyberpunk doesn't run at native res. That's a fact. The steam deck also performs better than the switch 2 in handheld mode. That's also a measurable fact. It's in the video I originally quoted. Very clear to see. Even at higher settings, the steam deck runs better in handheld mode. Again, another measurable fact.
The only time the switch 2 is better than the steam deck is in docked mode. However there's absolutely 0 point in playing any 3rd party game on the switch 2. In handheld mode, the steam deck Oled is better. In docked mode, Xbox Series S/X, PS5/pro and PC are all better.
The only thing the switch 2 is good for right now is playing Nintendo games and unfortunately, there's only one game out. If you want to play Nintendo games, buy a switch Oled from the marketplace for 200 and that's the best deal.
Cyberpunkd
Banned
Because they can.
50% more performance in portable mode would put it roughly where the Rog Ally already is. In docked mode maybe it would be 25% faster than the existing Ryzen AI based handhelds.
However a bigger battery would likely require a thicker unit, and Nintendo were targeting the same thickness as the Switch 1.
Edit: OK, it could be much faster in portable mode if you increased the battery and instead of going for more battery life, used the increased battery to run at the docked TDP in handheld mode.
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Minsc
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I never said it runs Cyberpunk at 1080p, I just said it runs at 1080p and 2160p, which is true. Steam Deck uses 720p or 800p.
You're the one who says there's 0 point to playing 3rd party games on Switch 2, and then is only focused in on Cyberpunk. What res does MKW run at? 2160p60. Something the Deck almost never does, I've tried to use the Deck docked to a HDTV and it's a joke running anything at 2160p, including the UI, it can't even do that.
DLSS is so much better than the FSR in the Deck it isn't even funny.
Acting like the Deck is "faster" and better than the Switch 2 is just hilarious to me, because every time a new AAA game releases, the Deck threads are full of how horrible the performance is on the device and how people either won't play it, or will stream it from a PC. So yeah, imagine how great that will be in 5 more years, while the Switch 2 will still be getting new, great running AAA games. The Deck can't even handle those now.
Zathalus
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Your numbers are all incorrect. Cyberpunk runs at 1080p when docked, upscaled from a lower 720p-1080p resolution via DLSS, while portable mode upscales to 810p from a 450p to 810p range. Steam Deck you would upscale to 800p, usually via XeSS. As we can see from the video in this thread, the Steam Deck runs Cyberpunk 2077 at equivalent resolution settings, but with higher graphical settings, XeSS instead of DLSS, and better performance.
MKW when docked is not 2160p either, but is 1440p. The Deck cannot do 2160p either, but the deck is not really meant to be used docked anyway. The Switch 2 is more powerful docked, no doubt about that.
DLSS is indeed much better than FSR, but you shouldn't use FSR. XeSS is the best choice and while a tad worse than DLSS, the difference on such a small screen is minor.
And while the Deck runs a lot of newer AAA releases quite badly, I don't expect them to be any better on the Switch 2. Of the three major AAA 3rd party games so far, namely Cyberpunk, Hogwarts, and Street Fighter 6. All of them run worse on the Deck vs the Switch 2.
For anyone that has both devices, portable play (outside of Nintendo games), will be better on the Deck. Most Switch owners won't own a deck though.
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Minsc
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I stand corrected on MKW, thanks, it does not run 2160p docked. When I said it runs 1080p and 2160p I meant the Switch 2 though, I've never been talking about Cyberpunk except when my comments are being read to it from other, so I apologize for being unclear.
Is MP4 not 2160p60 and 1080p120?
The hardware is way more impressive docked than the Deck, there's 0 doubt. And I choose to run the Docked performance in portable settings, at 1080p, so it feels like a whole generation above the Deck to me.
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GigaBowser
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Edgelord79
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Steam Deck is a 2022 device…. I would expect the Switch 2 to be miles better which it doesn't appear to be.
I think comparing it with the new upcoming Legion Go's later this year would be more apt.
I think comparing it with the new upcoming Legion Go's later this year would be more apt.
Minsc
Gold Member
It kinda is though, when you compare Switch 2 at 8W and Deck at 8W, OR Switch 2 at 20W and Deck at 18W. Watt for watt, the Switch 2 is head and shoulders above the Deck.
If you start comparing devices of the same form factor that run at 40W against ones that run at 8W, well, I don't know what you expect. More watts = more power, so if you compare 40 to 10, the 40 will win 99 times out of 100 for sure. The fact it is arguably similar or ahead at half the wattage, is actually an achievement that you can't ignore.
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Edgelord79
Gold Member
That makes sense. Thank you for the explanation!
Zathalus
Member
Oh please, anyone who games on PC knows the difference between XeSS 1.3 and DLSS 3.7 is minor. DLSS is better, but it's not the gulf between DLSS and FSR. Both are ML based TAAU upscalers.
Minsc
Gold Member
Interesting comparison showing the discussion about watts we've just been having.
In Cyberpunk 2077
Deck @ 24W > Switch 2 @ 9W >> Deck @ 9W
But it's not always true! The Switch 2 at less than half the watts of the Deck can actually surpass it.
In NMS @ 1080p
Switch 2 @ 9W > Deck @ 20W >> Deck @ 9W
If only they included the Switch 2 docked, at 20W, it would have been interesting to see what the chip does with more room to breath, as it is absolutely above the Deck at 24W then.
And I still stand recommending the Deck today for anyone looking for a device to last them the next ~5 years to play modern games is a bad choice, I would not personally do that. The Deck is just not strong enough anymore, nor is it well equipped for running HD-UHD resolutions, it is mostly stuck around 720p.
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GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
dlss derstoys xess cyberpunk switch 2 waaaaaay betters image qualities thens steemdeck artifakts noise grainey
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
You are ignoring the part where he says Switch 2 version has graphics settings lower than the lowest on Deck.
Dev1lXYZ
Member
7 pages of this nonsense. The Steam Deck is the far better option across the board. I've tried to state time and time again that the detail levels and traffic are far superior on the Deck than the Switch 2, which runs a custom version of lower than the lowest settings on the Steam Deck. What good is 1080P on a practically empty city setting?
The point of CP2077 is overcrowded sprawl mixed with high tech. On the Switch 2 you get sprawl, but no overcrowded anything. It's like 50% of the atmosphere is gone right there. That's a far worse 'hit' than any upscaling can solve. It's 'pandemic' Night City and not something that can properly rendered in its full glory properly on a Nintendo. It's like buying a ticket to Disney and all of the E-Ticket rides are closed. Sure you are in the park, but you are stuck riding D list rides all day because you can't meet the height requirement. It's like riding the Barnstormer or Mad Tea Party and leaving the park claiming that they get with and are better than Space Mountain or Big Thunder.
I hope most of you aren't taking this at all seriously(I'm not being serious at all and just keep bumping the thread)
as at the end of the day, as there is no comparison between a PC handheld and a handheld Nintendo console. It's gates open joy, vs gates closed toy. 
It's ultimate male vs ultimate meatball. The Switch 2 just doesn't measure up to the 'height requirement' and you paid $500+ dollars! (All in good fun let's get this thread to 10+ pages)
The point of CP2077 is overcrowded sprawl mixed with high tech. On the Switch 2 you get sprawl, but no overcrowded anything. It's like 50% of the atmosphere is gone right there. That's a far worse 'hit' than any upscaling can solve. It's 'pandemic' Night City and not something that can properly rendered in its full glory properly on a Nintendo. It's like buying a ticket to Disney and all of the E-Ticket rides are closed. Sure you are in the park, but you are stuck riding D list rides all day because you can't meet the height requirement. It's like riding the Barnstormer or Mad Tea Party and leaving the park claiming that they get with and are better than Space Mountain or Big Thunder.
I hope most of you aren't taking this at all seriously(I'm not being serious at all and just keep bumping the thread)
as at the end of the day, as there is no comparison between a PC handheld and a handheld Nintendo console. It's gates open joy, vs gates closed toy. It's ultimate male vs ultimate meatball. The Switch 2 just doesn't measure up to the 'height requirement' and you paid $500+ dollars! (All in good fun let's get this thread to 10+ pages)
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Baemono
Member
Yeah no, the Deck struggles to run anything demanding beyond 2023, not future proof at all, and with a terrible battery life.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Switch 2 too.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
This along with SW2 exclusives alone make it superior.
SD could be cancelled or replaced by a successor any moment.
Baemono
Member
We've yet to see. We only saw Split Fiction so far and it runs great.
But yet again, can't compare a PC version to a dedicated console version