CassidyIzABeast
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Secret Obi Wan babies. I thought we wanted George gone to get away from silly stuff like this?
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Daisy Ridley Thought Reys Parentage Was Revealed in Star Wars: The Force Awakens
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Jest Chillin
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The focus of your post is on the age of Obi-Wan and Satine and extrapolating from there. It doesn't work as it assumes that there is no room for a birth post-TPM which is an assumption that there is no time during TCW for her to have conceived and later had a baby, which isn't actually true. TCW frequently time skips between episodes, sometimes even backwards and forwards through time so it's hard to accurately nail down soecific dates or the time it takes for missions to be completed or the time between missions. It's alsi worth stating that TCW need not to have depicted a passionate rendevous here and there during, say, the Death Watch arc for it to have existed.
Manmademan
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This introduces even MORE problems that are impossible to explain.
1.) You need to come up with a reason why Luke Skywalker is having one night stands and flings with random space floozies. He wasn't married or Han and Leia would have mentioned a wife.
2.) You need to explain why whoever this was would be afraid enough of Luke to pull a vanishing act (which is nonsense, Luke is not only quite noble but also fairly well off and politically connected) AND Luke is chill enough to let this woman disappear on him and not bother tracking her down. Which he could. Given that he's a Jedi.
3.) Whoever Rey's parent(S) are were clearly in danger or running from something when they left her on Jakku. You need to explain why dumping their child in the desert is a better option than reaching out to the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy who happens to be her father with the combined force of the rebel alliance backing him.
It's a nonsense theory with far more holes in it than the Kenobi theory. If you were going to make her Luke's child, there are more plausible ways of going about it.
Obi-Wan point blank says in TCW he had not seen Satine since he was a padawan under Qui-Gon when they reunite in The Clone Wars.
What you are saying would require a retcon to contradict TCW.
Jest Chillin
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Obi Wan spends a considerable time with Satine during the Death Watch arc. Then she goes back to Mandalore and we don't see her until the arc with Ahsoka.
I'm saying there is opportunity during Death Watch for them to have had a "omg we might die" hook up and for her to have given birth on Mandalore.
The fact you have to twist the timeline and events to create this story line when something so much simpler of "I had a kid in seclusion on Tatooine" is way clearer and something the movie only viewers instantly understand shows just why this is such a outlandish theory.
They aren't going to tie the sequel trilogy to the Clone Wars like this.
Yes, I'm aware that he is supposed to become more powerful than Vader, but he isn't because he is not the only Skywalker. He is thorn by the force because he can't be all dark or all light. Rey instead she is light 100%. In ep. He will be keep doing stupid and wrong shores for snoke only to realize that he is a pawn to get Rey and kill Skywalker Senior. We all know that General Leia, Luke will be gone (sadly). Maybe by Ren's or Snoke, etc. Of course when Rey woops Ren's ass he will have his redemption, that last one liner saving her for some imposible situation.
Future PhaZe
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I still want a good reason why Luke hasn't cleaned up his mess.
He should leagues stronger than Kylo and probably a level above Emperor/Vader at this point.
He should leagues stronger than Kylo and probably a level above Emperor/Vader at this point.
Chuckling at people dismissing the idea of Rey being Luke's daughter as being "too straightfoward", in comparison to other, much more convoluted theories, that would rely on everyone in the audience for Episode 8/9 need to have a complete understanding of other Star Wars animated series and EU novels to help them understand what the hell would be going on.
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Not really. Why would it have been a one-night stand? It's just that when she gets pregnant she runs away, could be due to visions or whatever. Luke wouldn't magically find her any more easily than Vader or any other jedi could magically find anyone.
I think if it's not that, the most likely would be Rey being an artificial creation/clone/whatever that failed to show any force potential, and when the remnants of the empire left Jakku in a hurry they dumped the useless kid.
Again TFA was really poorly written considering how we have no idea what Rey actually remembers from her youth, which is really dumb.
But but there was a vague possible extended period of time during the death watch arc on the animated Clone Wars series! Makes perfect sense to the audience who only sees the films!
It's one of two things: Luke's or Kenobi had a kid when he is on Tatooine. The idea they will have it tied into one of the animated series is just...beyond absurd.
It was made abundently clear that they never got past that platonic relation though, and then she died.
So, Obi Wan "the horndog" who resisted temptation for years with someone he loved deeply, and now with a broken heart (but still a hardcore Jedi discipline, and seeing what a doomed relation did to his Padawan), just went on to have a love affair and a kid that he left behind... because?
The Kenobi descendant theorists are reaching so, so very hard it's funny tbh.
Spyder_Monkey
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I just hope that the writers are aware enough that Rey being Luke's daughter would be a lame twist.
Jest Chillin
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That's not twisting the timeline. It's literally just saying, "Hey, they had sex offscreen and wmshe had a baby when she went back to Mandalore"
The only thing they say is that they never had a relationship. Not that they never had sex.
And Satine in TCW takes place before he saw what happened with Anakin and Padme.
There is absolutely nothing to back this up on screen and this is nothing but reaching. Both these two arcs take place within one year of each other as well.
The fact you the big revelation about the lead of the sequel trilogy revolve around a off-screen not even implied affair from animated series is just beyond absurd. They aren't going to do something like that in the saga film.
They aren't going to tie Rey's origin to The Clone Wars. Absolutely no way whatsoever.
I'm a pretty firm believer that the main films will never use material from TCW or Rebels in a significant way, and even the PT to some extent. In TFA the PT is referenced in general terms and only in ways that enhance the story in the ST.
I hope they keep in that way. It's time to start creating more original content moving forward.
Jest Chillin
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See, you keep hopping back and forth about dependency but it's not dependency, it's a nod. To anyone who hasn't seen TCW it's no different than an affair with a new character that was never seen onscreen. And no matter who her parents turn out to be, it's going to result from relationships never seen onscreen. Why it would be a problem for Satine and no other character lies only in personal bias.
Da-Kid
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It's plausible to think Obi-Wan is Rey's father. You can easily explain that OW got married to blend in more and had a daughter, but after the Empire nearly killed them he decided to split up his family and go back into secluded hiding. It's very possible Rey could have two Jedi parents.
Even when they do it will be little easter eggs, not have the major twist and mystery of the entire trilogy be centered around a random arc in The Clone Wars.
That she would have hidden from him, even when dying in his arms. Suuuuuure.
I would buy more that Cliegg Lars and Shmi had a Son/ Daughter that left the farm because of a super serious disagreement with Owen Lars (his step brother) which led to him/ her never being mentionned to Luke. And that person potentially being Rey's parent. But yeesh...
Although again, if not Luke, the chain of coincidences would be some seriously stupid shit in TFA, whereas Luke being the father actually make more things work (the Von Sydow character both having Luke's map and keeping an eye on Rey from afar).
Yeah that's not happening.
Definitely in the camp of "she's Luke's or a nobody". Either route could be done well.
Obi-Wan died around fifteen years before Rey was even born.
People, why are you doing this to yourselves?
Saying Satine had a newborn baby with Obi-Wan during the last year of TCW and didn't even tell Obi-Wan about it when she was dying just doesn't add up at all.
Your theory is way too convoluted where "I fell in love and had a kid after the Jedi Order fell" has zero holes, zero reliance on a animated show no one watched. Zero explanation needed.
Saying Satine suddenly begs a lot of questions. When? How? Why didn't she tell Obi-Wan? Can't be before TCW because the last time they met was way too far in the past. If TCW how the hell did they have time, how was it kept secret?
Your idea opens a floodgate of questions and explanation needed. Saying Obi-Wan fell in love when the order fell and was on Tatooine requires none of this.
Linkstrikesback
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If Rey is a Kenobi, they likely won't bother mentioning her mother at all. I might be wrong, but I think Padme never came up in the original trilogy, and I don't recall that ever being a problem.
All that would matter would be her relation to Obi Wan, and not her mother (or grandmother/mother/father if she's a grandchild rather than direct child, which would be the likely case given, you know, her apparent age).
There is 0 evidence they ever did, besides trying to make the Kenobi theory work.
And again, as she died in his arms without saying anything, it makes 0 sense.
Jest Chillin
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I think it works just fine. You don't. That's ok. We're free to have differing opinions on it. My argument is that it's possible and works from a theme perspective of Kenobi's and Skywalkers fates being intertwined.
There was zero evidence that Luke and Leia were twins and that Vader was Luke's father in ANH. There's also zero evidence that Luke has had a child by the end of TFA. But if he did they'll explain it later.
That's how mysteries operate. Evidence is thin until it isn't.
It just doesn't work at all. Your timeline would be the baby would have to be only a few months old at max. And she wouldn't even tell Obi-Wan about it when she was dying.
Your theory is they had sex during the Clone Wars despite nothing about their characters to imply this ever happened on the show. AND she would have had a baby in secret that no one knew about and was never hinted on the show. AND her and Obi-Wan's baby would be just an infant and she wouldn't even tell Obi-Wan about it when she was dying in her arms.
A mother of a small baby wouldn't even tell the father of the baby who she loved about it's existence as she spoke to him as she died. How does that make ANY sense? It would turn her character into an awful person.
It makes absolutely no sense at all even just within the context of the Clone Wars.
This is before we even get to the point that they aren't having the major revelation of the trilogy tie back to a cartoon.
This is more baffling and illogical than the Ezra from Rebels = Snoke theory.
Jest Chillin
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I disagree. If she felt the child was safer not being associated with a Jedi General in the middle of a civil war, she could take that information with her to the grave.
Similar reasoning was behind Luke and Leia being separated at birth.
Except all of that was explained within the context of JUST the films, you are bringing the animated series in the equation and then requires explaining for TCW viewers how any of this happened when everything we have on screen gives zero indication of any of this being possible.
This theory just adds endless questions and explanations because there is nothing within TCW to warrant this being possible. It doesn't line up with how either character acted at all.
There is absolutely no way she would have an infant child with Obi-Wan and not tell him when she was dying. No chance.
Soon as it would be revealed in the film millions of viewers will want to know what happened, if you then have to turn to off-screen adventures of a animated series in which the animated series leaves little wiggle room to even fit such a story in to answer these viewer questions then well, its obvious that would never happen in reality.
It isn't a twist?
Given Ridley is saying it's pretty clear who her parent(s) are, and even saying she isn't a Solo in another interview, and her inheriting Luke's sword, and meeting Luke at the end of the film, the clearest option is Luke.
My guess is ep 8 will begin with nonchalantly making it clear Luke is her father, and perhaps do a little backstory on her mother and why we was orphaned.
Obi wan is way too ducking old/dead to be her father, Grandpa maybe but that was not clear whatsoever in tfa, and then her actual parents wouldn't have even been touched on.
If luke is her father it won't be presented as a twist.
Jest Chillin
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It wasn't explained in ANH, it was revealed in Empire and the specific details weren't explained until the prequels.
If she's related to Obi-Wan in the manner of the theory, it wouldn't be pointing to TCW to explain it, TCW just stands as where they've illustrated that Obi Wan had a connection to Satine that was romantic in nature.
Your argument relies on the characters having a romantic tryst being out of character but that isn't objectively true. Both are capable of love. Both have denied a relationship due to the dangers that would result from being distracted from their chosen occupations.
They are duty before love characters and it's entirely possible that Satine would keep that secret to both keep Obi-Wan from distraction and prevent her child from being put in danger as a pawn to be used against him.
Heck they can even put it unclear or open mind, she could be a Skywaker or a random girl, and it is not important.
The only than it matters is she will be the legacy of Luke and take Luke torch of restore the Jedi's.
March of the Crabs
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Man... all this talk of Luke made me realize - this next Star Wars is going to be a MASSIVE movie hinging on the performance of a man who hasn't done much major live action work in years, let alone carry a major blockbuster.
If his voice acting is anything to go by though, Hamill will be fine.
If his voice acting is anything to go by though, Hamill will be fine.
bigedole
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This is why I think the most likely possibility is that she's Luke's daughter and Obi-Wan's granddaughter.
frontieruk
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So you take issue with the view that as a nod to the fans, the studio for an actor to record a couple of lines by the actor who played the younger version of Obi Wan as the original actor has died and couldn't get him to record the line but digitally created him saying Rai the had the younger version to complete the circle of starting a Skywalker on their path to the force.
But you don't with the gymnastics going on here :-
This is just fanfic and no studio would do a nod to the fans like this, whereas nods to previous films using established characters has an established precedent.
First off.. what? I read that like four times and still don't understand it.
I think you're missing my point (assuming I know what you mean). I'm not saying it's not a nod to fans, just that I believe there was a specific reason why they called Ewan into the studio to record new material as Obi-Wan when they could have very easily used almost the exact same line from ANH, which was already finished.
LegendOfGood
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She's a reincarnation of Anakin Skywalker. This reincarnation is orchestrated by Snoke, by way of an ancient, evil ritual.
Luke manages to locate Rey and sees to it that she is put into isolation so as to protect her from Snoke's influence, because he knows that if Kylo and Rey fight on the dark side together (with Snoke as their leader), the light side stands no chance.
However, TFA happens and Rey locates Luke. When he sees her, he accepts that the force has brought her to him and knows that despite the risks of her being out of isolation, he must train her as an agent for good.
(This scenario also works if she's a clone/descendant of Palpatine - Snoke orchestrates something and Luke counters it by hiding her away from Snoke's influence - perhaps the Knights of Ren attacking Luke's students was an act of retribution to Luke for doing this).
The end.
Luke manages to locate Rey and sees to it that she is put into isolation so as to protect her from Snoke's influence, because he knows that if Kylo and Rey fight on the dark side together (with Snoke as their leader), the light side stands no chance.
However, TFA happens and Rey locates Luke. When he sees her, he accepts that the force has brought her to him and knows that despite the risks of her being out of isolation, he must train her as an agent for good.
(This scenario also works if she's a clone/descendant of Palpatine - Snoke orchestrates something and Luke counters it by hiding her away from Snoke's influence - perhaps the Knights of Ren attacking Luke's students was an act of retribution to Luke for doing this).
The end.
...of my fanfic.
frontieruk
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Sorry was trying to construct a coherent paragraph with kids wanting attention
Put it more simply, what's a bigger nod, just the original lines from Sir Alec Guiness, or getting Ewan into the studio to complete the line in a new way, thus getting both Obi Wans into the film? People are reading to much into what is just an Easter egg.
FriendlyGoat
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Guys I've cracked the code. Rey is the great-granddaughter of Qui-Gon Jinn, the granddaughter of Obi-Wan Kenobi, the daughter of Luke Skywalker, and the first and second cousin of Kylo Ren.
Qui-Gon and Shmi oozed sexual tension, you're nuts if you think he didn't snuggle up to Shmi after Anakin went to bed.
Shmi went on to have a little baby girl and both were kidnapped by Tusken Raiders. Cliegg Lars failed to mention this because he never fully took to Shmi's baggage, it was easier to pretend she never happened.
Years later Obi-Wan Kenobi had a fierce battle with a Tusken Raider, who he discovered to be a beautiful human woman. Romance ensued and Obi-Wan earned the fear and respect of the Tusken people, but it ended prematurely because Obi-Wan had more important matters to attend to. Little did Obi-Wan know, she gave birth to a young girl who was later taken by slavers.
Years later Luke would return to his childhood home to pay respects, and while traveling through Mos Espa he met a young slave girl working at a junk shop. He became infatuated with her and confronted her owner. Having been through this before, the old Toydarian threw his hands in the air and said, "I give up, just take her." He loved her, and she thought she did too at first, but with her newfound independence she wanted to explore the galaxy while Luke was ready to settle-down. They were at different places in their lives, and with a sad smile Luke let her go.
Little did they know, she was pregnant. Refusing to settle-down and not wanting to return and saddle her former lover, she never revealed this to Luke. She loved and raised the girl on her own, affectionately called her little Raider. Later just Rey.
Qui-Gon and Shmi oozed sexual tension, you're nuts if you think he didn't snuggle up to Shmi after Anakin went to bed.
Shmi went on to have a little baby girl and both were kidnapped by Tusken Raiders. Cliegg Lars failed to mention this because he never fully took to Shmi's baggage, it was easier to pretend she never happened.
Years later Obi-Wan Kenobi had a fierce battle with a Tusken Raider, who he discovered to be a beautiful human woman. Romance ensued and Obi-Wan earned the fear and respect of the Tusken people, but it ended prematurely because Obi-Wan had more important matters to attend to. Little did Obi-Wan know, she gave birth to a young girl who was later taken by slavers.
Years later Luke would return to his childhood home to pay respects, and while traveling through Mos Espa he met a young slave girl working at a junk shop. He became infatuated with her and confronted her owner. Having been through this before, the old Toydarian threw his hands in the air and said, "I give up, just take her." He loved her, and she thought she did too at first, but with her newfound independence she wanted to explore the galaxy while Luke was ready to settle-down. They were at different places in their lives, and with a sad smile Luke let her go.
Little did they know, she was pregnant. Refusing to settle-down and not wanting to return and saddle her former lover, she never revealed this to Luke. She loved and raised the girl on her own, affectionately called her little Raider. Later just Rey.
Well fuck, this might happen.
With Kylo being a Skywalker and Solo, I think it'd be pretty cool for her to be a Skywalker and Kenobi.
Her just being a Skywalker wouldn't be a surprise since everyone thinks that's gonna happen, but if she is a Kenobi, her parentage can still be a twist while making her Luke's daughter.
Give me Rey Skynobi or give me death.
frontieruk
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You missed with secret love child of jar jar
Jest Chillin
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Except they literally just did this with Saw Gurerra in Rogue One. And they literally could have edited him completely out of the movie for all he served the plot.
If you think a small role in a spin-off film is at all comparable to being a centerpiece to the twist of where the lead character of the trilogy came from then you have no idea what are you talking about.
They will keep the animated shows nowhere near the big story elements of the saga.
Lol no problem.Sorry was trying to construct a coherent paragraph with kids wanting attention
Put it more simply, what's a bigger nod, just the original lines from Sir Alec Guiness, or getting Ewan into the studio to complete the line in a new way, thus getting both Obi Wans into the film? People are reading to much into what is just an Easter egg.
Eh, would people really have been disappointed to not see him in the film in any capacity? I'm sure almost no one expected something like that. Sure it could have been a nod but IMO it really didn't feel like that solely to me. I think Ewan is gunna be onscreen before the trilogy is over and this was a hint at that. I have no doubt they can make him look old enough to be Obi-Wan at the age he's supposed to be.
Or maybe we even get a force back with a younger version of him.
frontieruk
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I'm going to be honest, I had to Google who the fuck that was and I only saw rogue one a week ago...
Are you saying that completely dropping the Ewan line would destroy the film for the amount of contribution he served to the plot?
It was a throw away line for fans, they could of just used Guiness lines but then fans would of complained "why not get Ewan to say that?" He played a liked character and played it well, why wouldn't they have him complete the Kenobi/Skywalker cycle of starting to learn to use the force for the next generation?
macfoshizzle
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I agree. I see this is the only logical reason and the most obvious reason.
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Barkley's Justice
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Only 11 more months to go, gais!
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