That's before they threw his scripts and story outlines in the bin though.
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Daisy Ridley Thought Reys Parentage Was Revealed in Star Wars: The Force Awakens
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That's before they threw his scripts and story outlines in the bin though.
wesleyshark
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I'm all about Rey being a Kenobi or a Palpatine.
From an interview with Kathleen Kennedy about this:
Peter: Who and how is it decided that the treatments that George Lucas had submitted for the sequel trilogy were to be abandoned?
Kathleen Kennedy: Well, here's the thing. There are certain things they retained and obviously everything George created, you can imagine, every single person involved in this process hugely respects and wanted to know as much as they possibly could about the universe that he was describing. He had specific plot ideas that evolved. He sat down with me in 2012, and now it's almost 2016, and you know the development process, where you bring writers on and once the story starts to take shape, it evolves. George wasn't a part of those development discussions, so it was a fairly natural process of evolution. It sounds like we ignored him but that's not really what happened.
Peter: How is J.J. Abrams' final movie, The Force Awakens, different from what was planned early on?
Kathleen Kennedy: You mean from what George was talking about?
Peter: Yeah, like was George's story more focused on the original trilogy characters?
Kathleen Kennedy: No, because the legacy characters play a significant role in this, and I would say and inside the balance that George was talking about to begin with. It was really much more to do with the specifics of the history of the saga. We changed the order of a few things, let's put it that way. We didn't make some wholesale change.
brandonh83
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While this is true, we also don't know to what extent. Most people still respect George as a great storyteller with fantastic ideas, and I think those still at Lucasfilm would agree. I'm certain that remnants of his outlines are still intact.
bishopcruz
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I got it, Rey is a Kenobi AND a Skywalker. Luke knocked up Obi's daughter. It's all falling into place.
Barkley's Justice
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There's that "The Force is strong in my family" quote from the trailer...She dresses like Luke in ANH...The lightsabre called to her...She had good repoire with Han in the Falcon as if it were muscle memory...
If not Luke's daughter, then a clone from the hand. The latter, imo, would be stupid.
If not Luke's daughter, then a clone from the hand. The latter, imo, would be stupid.
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If Yoda or Obi-Wan can be in the next episodes as force-ghosts, so could Anakin. I wouldn't be surprised if they all show up in some way. Kind of expect Yoda to be around in VIII, even if just a little bit, and eventually Anakin speaking to Kylo.
bishopcruz
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I say the force ghosts start a barbershop quartet, Anakin, Obi, Yoda and the voice of Qui-Gon. They'd be called the Dead Jedis.
I hate to break it to you but in diplomatic speak she says the threw out his ideas on the end, only retaining legacy characters already establshed in previous films.
Mark Hamill said in 1981 or sometime similar that Lucas's plan was to have a Luke Skywalker Jr. and for Luke to be in an Obi-Wan-type role handing down Excalibur to the next new hope. Sounds like what we got to me. I'm pretty sure Lucas worked on the early story draft with Michael Arndt which focused on a young female Jedi.
CloudyTuba
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I cant figure out what her reply means. I cant even work out the grammar of parts of it:
Yep those are words alright, but not in an order I recognize.
elrechazado
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This. George himself has been incredibly salty about the topic, and we have some vague quotes about how they kept "certain things", and that's supposed to be evidence that his old quotes about future stories are somehow still definitive? Please.
Yeah I gotta say with how bitter Lucas was I'm inclined to think they threw out almost all of what he had.
bonesmccoy
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Again, for Rey to be Luke's kid, Luke would have had to have hidden her from Leia, Han, Ben Solo, the Church of the Force folks, R2D2, C3PO, Chewbecca etc. That seems very unlikely, given what we saw in TFA and the recent literature.
It also seems unlikely that Luke would leave his 6-7 year old daughter alone on Jakku, in the ward of a gangster who tries to starve his workers. And did so years before Ben Solo went dark and attacked the new Jedi Temple.
I think she's just someone who got abandoned on Jakku by her shitty parents.
It also seems unlikely that Luke would leave his 6-7 year old daughter alone on Jakku, in the ward of a gangster who tries to starve his workers. And did so years before Ben Solo went dark and attacked the new Jedi Temple.
I think she's just someone who got abandoned on Jakku by her shitty parents.
Rey being Luke's daughter doesn't mean it has to have been him who left her on Jakku at all.
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Except if it was the mom who kept it hidden from everyone. If Vader didn't know Leia existed, Luke could have had the same hidden from him.
Luke knocks up one of his students/church folks, girl quits/runs away/hides and eventually abandons child in exchange of whatever to fat guy.
Yeah I have no idea why so many people are assuming this in relation to the theory. There are various ways it makes more sense in regard to how she ended up abandoned on Jakku.
Jest Chillin
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This angle would not shine positively on him. Like at all. Would make him seem like a predatory professor at a college or something. Pretty gross.
There are ways they could explain her being his child but, again, the timing of her abandonment while he's pouring everything into the Jedi Academy makes things pretty sketchy.
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Doesn't matter: Luke has a partner, partner runs away when pregnant, Luke never finds out. Done. Pretty simple.
That's what I love about these padawans, man. I get older, they stay the same age.
RyanardoDaVinci
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Snoke should have only said, "The droid is with Han Solo." Some people would read between the lines and wonder if Ren personally knew or was related to Han, some would have glossed over it until the actual reveal which should have been on the bridge when Han yelled out "BEN!" and responded with, "The face of my son."
That would have been too late for it though, because we wouldn't have been able to see Han and Leia discuss their son. Their relationship in the movie would suffer for it.
EmCeeGramr
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Oh, so George's old Indiana Jones idea.
Kaneda Shotaro
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What if Luke's lover left when she became pregnant because she didn't want another Vader to ruin the Galaxy, then dropped her off because she was powerful at a young age and could easily be seduced by the dark side like Anakin and Ben?
Luke was never able to see his own daughter. That would also explain her British accent (as none of the main characters, Solos/Skywalkers have one).
Luke was never able to see his own daughter. That would also explain her British accent (as none of the main characters, Solos/Skywalkers have one).
Soon as you typed the word Satine you should have stopped to save yourself time.
And I say this as a huge fan of TCW. But what you typed is beyond absurd. That is absolutely and without question never happening nor even a possibility.
Maybe 1-2% of the audience for a live action Obi-Wan movie would have ever watched The Clone Wars. At most.
Jest Chillin
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Why would that even matter? Did it matter for Saw Gurerra?
"Few people saw The Clone Wars" is a ridiculous reason because any character they introduce as a parent that wasn't already in the movies is going to be conpletely new. Satine would be just like any of those characters except she's already in TCW.
Saw's relied on absolutely zero knowledge of TCW. Satine would rely on their past relationship.
The movie side of things are done assuming the audience has absolutely no idea anything about Mandalore or Satine at all. Anything that would rely on knowledge of either would never happen.
sign me up for two
I've thought that this is possible - I'm not sure if the timeline is perfect, but from Bloodlines, would Rey's abandonment tie in with when the galaxy at large found out about Luke and Leia's true parentage? We know what kind of effect this clearly had on Ben; perhaps Rey's mother abandoned Luke in fear and looked to hide their daughter away from a man she believed to be tainted.
The other thing I am not sure about is the significance of Jakku itself. Palpatine had a laboratory or some kind of installation there due to some ancient connection to the Force. The leader of the Imperial remnant at the time of Bloodlines comes from there and was stationed there to protect said installation. The Empire regrouped there after Endor. It must hold some meaning which may explain Rey's strong connection to the force and natural ability to utilise it.
EDIT: We also know Luke went looking for the First Jedi Temple. What if he was looking for the site on Jakku? Or, rather, looking for Rey's mother or even Rey herself?
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Especially if she was force-sensitive, she might have even had visions about Rey's future and bailed out, and eventually just abandoned her.
I think it's the most likely theory so far; mother runs away, Luke never finds out she was pregnant or thinks she died before giving birth.
The stupid part is TFA not telling us if Rey remembers her childhood or not, that was so dumb, especially since they added her young self to her vision which just made it more confusing because we don't know if that was a revelation or not, or if it was just the explosion in the vision telling her her family is dead. Really poorly handled.
Rey = abandoned "failed" Luke clone by imperial folks who bailed out and dumped her? That would certainly allow VIII to skip the mother/father part, and make her past a central focus on VIII's story as even Luke wouldn't know. It would certainly make sense to why they decided to write her being from Jakku and why whoever dumped her left her to fat-angry-alien. Looking for the first temple might be key to figure out how to make a force-sensitive cloning process work (or imbue someone with the force) so maybe the FO has an interest in looking for it but I forget in TFA they are saying only Kylo cares, but Luke might have gone there for other reasons, maybe to find out how to get rid of the force in someone who is force-sensitive, or get extra knowledge that even Yoda or Obi-Wan didn't have.
Jest Chillin
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Satine wouldn't rely on knowledge of anything previous either. She would be looked at the same way a brand new character would. Ut just has the bonus of having some fans say, "Oh, yeah she was in The Clone Wars series."
There is absolutelu zero negative for using an existing character vs a new character.
So they'd have to explain that Luke had a wife, show a flashback to confirm she was Space British, then explain that she knew Luke was the child of Vader, got pregnant but then didn't want it. Then she carried the baby to term, raised her until she was like 8 years old and then once she saw her power abandoned her on a desert planet away from her father and herself?
At this rate with any theory, Episode VIII is just gonna be one long flashback. Luke's gonna sit her down, pull out a diagram and be like "So what had happened was...".
At this rate with any theory, Episode VIII is just gonna be one long flashback. Luke's gonna sit her down, pull out a diagram and be like "So what had happened was...".
Here is why it is impossible purely based on canon:
TFA is 30 years after ROTJ.
The Clone Wars is 26 years before ROTJ.
Obi-Wan had not seen Satine since before The Phantom Menace when they encountered each other again during The Clone Wars so at the very latest she could have got pregnant roughly 40 years before Return of the Jedi, roughly 70 years before The Force Awakens.
Rey is 19 in TFA. Using your logic Rey's parent would have to be in their 50's at the youngest when they had Rey.
That just doesn't add up at all. If it's a Kenobi it will be he had a kid during his time on Tatooine, that is the only real logical way with Rey being 19 add up.
To sum it up:
Satine and Obi-Wan hadn't seen each for over a decade when they reunite in The Clone Wars, thus if its Obi-Wan/Satine Rey's mom/dad would have to be born before The Phantom Menace. And Rey is only 19 in The Force Awakens. This would be stretching the believably of a family timeline just to force a TCW reference. Timeline wise based on Rey's age it makes FAR more sense for Obi-Wan to have a kid in the pre-ANH post-ROTS era.
They would never have such a convoluted timeline that stretches the believability of the age of Rey's parents just so they can name drop Satine when "I fell in love and had a kid when I was in seclusion on Tatooine" is so much simpler and lines up with Rey's actual age far better.
What did he mean by this?
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Rey Palpatine is the only answer. The Emperor's female clone, just like Luuke and LuUuke from the beloved EU
Lol is that really a part of the EU?
If you ever have to ask that, then you should automatically know it's true.
QuantumZebra
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Kathleen Kennedy has multiple quotes that should have put to bed any theories beyond Rey being Luke's kid... but I guess theorycrafting is just too much fun.
"Rey is Palpatine's dog's previous owner's clonebaby!"
fanboys like to act like throwing out the EU was some horrible decision
reality is it was the best one they could have made
Jest Chillin
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That's a lot of writing and some good info.
However the theory is that Obi-Wan and Satine are Rey's Grandparents.
Manmademan
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This is what I keep trying to point out. Luke was blissfully training Kylo and running a Jedi academy while Rey was fending for herself in the desert as a young child for years.
There's no narrative leap you can make where that makes any sense at all.
Manmademan
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Also true.
And unlike Luke, if Obi Wan had a child between episodes 3 and 4, there are extremely good reasons why he would not want to, or would not be able to be involved in his or her life.
Obi Wan was a wanted man living under an assumed name, and the Jedi were being hunted to extinction by an extremely powerful and influential empire.
Obi wan had a need to stay on tattoine to keep an eye on Luke in case he began manifesting force powers, or Vader found out and came after him.
Whatever kid that was wouldn't know much of anything about the Jedi order or the force, since the Jedi were gone. They'd be essentially as powerless as Leia is and live their lives in ignorance.
Luke in contrast was living a very public life training whatever force sensitives he could get his hands on, and his sister was still quite powerful after the fall of the empire as a political and military leader.
LegendOfGood
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Queen of the Boba-Fett-armour peoples or something like that. I think she's from a cartoon.
It does not match up being a Kenobi descendant and for the sake of the plot, it would be messy. Remember that Disney wants to build THEIR story by slowly letting go old characters. For example Solo's death. I bet that by the end of this trilogy everyone of the original trilogy (not the 2 robots and Chewie) will be gone. It is more easy to make Luke as a parent because TFA already introduce him as a legend.
And yes, Kenobi had feelings during the clone wars for Satine but she was killed tho.
Regarding Kylo Ren, I think he will be out in ep. 8. If he is going to have some sort of redemption is by a sacrifice, like Vader. And in ep. 8, we will see the knights of Ren and Snoke with other apprentice because Ren isn't that good as a Jedi or Sith. He wants to be bad but he can't. He can't be good now either. Rey with no training what so ever kick his ass. I mean she masters all the Jedi tricks with no training what so ever. That was the part of the movie that let me down. Mind control, Force sense, Precognition, Force empathy, Force Enlightenment and force pull.
And yes, Kenobi had feelings during the clone wars for Satine but she was killed tho.
Regarding Kylo Ren, I think he will be out in ep. 8. If he is going to have some sort of redemption is by a sacrifice, like Vader. And in ep. 8, we will see the knights of Ren and Snoke with other apprentice because Ren isn't that good as a Jedi or Sith. He wants to be bad but he can't. He can't be good now either. Rey with no training what so ever kick his ass. I mean she masters all the Jedi tricks with no training what so ever. That was the part of the movie that let me down. Mind control, Force sense, Precognition, Force empathy, Force Enlightenment and force pull.
Um...that is exactly what I said. Did you even read it?
I said the latest Rey's PARENT could be born is 70+ years before The Force Awakens if Satine was the grandmother of Rey. And Rey is only 19 in TFA. Obi-Wan and Satine at the latest could have a kid is 70 years before TFA as they hadn't seen each other since Obi-Wan was a padawan under Qui-Gon in TCW.....and Rey is 19.
So the Kenobi kid would have to be in their 50's when having Rey using this logic which is highly improbable as its a convoluted mess of a timeline that "I had a kid in seclusion in Tatooine" is about 100x more easily explained and the timeline of the ages actually lines up.
The age of Obi-Wan and Satine having a kid does not line up with Rey's age as their grandkid at all. Read my post please, what you said makes it seem like you did not as you missed the entire argument.
The amount of absurd mental hoops and timeline fudging required to just have a Satine name drop rather than the far cleaner and actually timeline probable answer of pre-ANH post-ROTJ makes this theory of yours highly improbable.
Manmademan
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That doesn't make any sense at all.
Obi wan was about 40 at the end of episode 3. Episode 4 is 20 years later or so, when he dies around 60 years of age.
If for instance he has a child 5 years after episode 3, they're only 5 years younger than Luke and Leia are.
No one is saying Satine is the mother, only that there is precedent for Obi Wan getting into a relationship because that character existed.
Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. That if it's Kenobi's kid it would be with someone post-ROTS pre-ANH. Timeline wise it is pretty much impossible to be a Satine/Obi-Wan grandchild because of how far in the past going into the pre-TPM era the Kenobi/Satine relationship was.
It is impossible for it to be Satine because the last time Obi-Wan and Satine saw each other before The Clone Wars was when he was a young Padawan under Qui-Gon. Over 70 years before The Force Awakens. And Rey is still a teenager in The Force Awakens, she is only 19.
Rey's parent would have to be over 50 years old when having Rey for the Satine theory to work which is just way too convoluted.
The "I had a kid on seclusion on Tatooine" theory is much simpler and requires no mental gymnastic timeline fudging unlike with Satine.
Basically:
It is not Satine. The timeline does not add up at all and they are not going to create a fudged convoluted timeline just to name drop a TCW character when there is a far simpler and timeline logical explanation if Rey is a Kenobi.
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If Luke got someone pregnant and said person ran away without telling him it's pretty simple to explain everything. Gets pregnant, runs away to Jakku for whatever reason, eventually abandons the child.
Kylo is supposed to become more powerful than Vader, presumably, in VIII, since Vader "still had good in him" that held him back according to Snoke and Kylo has apparently none left and can complete his training whereas Vader's was complete. It's a good excuse to have a more powerful Luke/Rey fight with him. Heck, you could even tie back the emperor's desire to have Luke turn evil by killing his own father as an attempt to do the same which Snoke/Kylo have now done.
I doubt Kylo is ever going good again except maybe when saying his final line.
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