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[*Splinter]

Take care, TL21xx.



Sorry, forgot about that. It would be really helpful if you quoted my post next time so GAF highlights it for me.

Not following you on Kalor, sounds like you're implying Despair can't count. Czar being the final majority vote to end the day early I get but his vote wasn't the majority.

Regarding AB, I'm working purely based on an assumption that among the PRs there is 1 Despair. It's just an assumption and not based on any evidence found in this thread. If anyone can help point out anything that would suggest any of them are confirmed Hope do let me know.

I'll have a look at Kingkitty's posts again since you say there's something interesting.

Sorry, my quoting is getting pretty lax...

Regarding Tim's vote: I meant he would prefer to be the last Despair to vote, not necessarily last overall

You still haven't given me anything on Zipped or Swamped, or even the vaguest hint as to who you think is Despair

 

[CornBurrito]

Unfortunately, due to a lack of replacement players, I've had to make the tough call...

The platform underneath TL21xx opened up and he disappeared into a dark hole. A distant wailing of pain could be heard below, then after a few seconds, nothing.

Ooof... so umm.. Can Despair be deprived of a night kill?

 

[Swamped]

Take care TL21xx! Hopefully you will be able to join us in another game if you have time!



At that time during Day 2 I believed that both Crab and Kgtrep were Hope ( along with CzarTim and a bit with AB for that matter ) and since none of us had spoken about Fight Club I didn't want to sit and be like 'oh, I can't vote for who I want BUT I can do stuff at night lol'. So I soft-claimed the Ordinary Student so I could blend in and not stick out for Despair to go after, especially after what happened with Makai and his role claim I did not want the same to happen to me. I will admit, at that time, I did think one of the people I saw was the killer on Night 1 but I didn't really put two-and-two together that Fight Club would lead Despair to get a kill-list of PRs.

Hmm ok. I had to ask because Ordinary Student is a very easy claim to make for Despair given that they form a large number of the player base. But you have been pretty forthcoming about being a PR since then, i just wasnt sure why you would claim Ordinary so early in the game. I'll have to go back to day 3 to see who outed you first, that might help me form a better opinion of this.

 

[Sorian]

Ooof... so umm.. Can Despair be deprived of a night kill?

Of course not.

Upupupu

 

[Kalor]

It is a shame that TL21xx had to drop out. Having 4 replacements this game has made it difficult to determine roles for some people as one of those replacements could be Despair and we don't have enough data to look through for them.

Ooof... so umm.. Can Despair be deprived of a night kill?

Maybe if we have some Hope role that can do it.

 

[Kalor]

Wait, I just realized what you meant. Why take the fun out of the night by depriving Despair of a kill.

 

[Karkador]

How familiar with the source material are you?

I don't know anything about these girl cartoons

 

[Christina Mackenzie]

Wait, I just realized what you meant. Why take the fun out of the night by depriving Despair of a kill.

Is there a joke that I'm not getting?

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Ooof... so umm.. Can Despair be deprived of a night kill?

Lol.

 

[*Splinter]

Ooof... so umm.. Can Despair be deprived of a night kill?

Despair get night kills?

 

[Swamped]

Despair get night kills?

BUUUUURN

 

[Terrabyte20xx]

So with TL21xx gone, that makes the current leading scum candidate Zippedpinhead.

Interesting. I' not against it, but I'm no where near confident enough to vote him yet.

On the note of replacement players, with the sheer volume of them in this game I find it likely that one of them could be Despair. I'm not saying that is 100% the case, but I would definitely be surprised if it wasn't.

 

[AbsolutBro]

I updated the map:

will catch up and post some thoughts.

 

[AbsolutBro]

I also fixed Ty4on's name.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

...I'll update the map myself when I think you guys deserve it

 

[Ty4on]

I also fixed Ty4on's name.

I noticed that quite early, but never bothered telling Launch about it

Why does everyone misspell my name? Don't tell me it's the map.

 

[Terrabyte20xx]

Okay, a thought just occurred to me while looking at the map(is that my catchphrase for this game?) So both Pau and Ty4on move and are lovers/masons. This is presumably because they need to meet up in order to talk 'off the record'.

If this indeed is the case, theoretically wouldn't the Despair have to do the same, and meet up at night?

This is, of course, assuming cellphones and radios are banned in Despair acadamy.

 

[Sorian]

I don't know anything about these girl cartoons

 

[kingkitty]

Btw Kingkitty - out of your versus battles, are there any you think could have been staged by two Despairs? I admit this would be a pretty risky thing for Despair to do...

lol I dunno

AB and Czar (although Czar got clipped...but maybe that's all according to plan!)

Pau and Typhoon (but it leaves a big paper trail)

either despair play would be pretty high risk....but I guess it would be high reward too?

anyways

vote: kalor

I explained earlier why he made my gut tingle in suspicious ways. I already voted him for in Day 3, but no one cared about that vote. Maybe they'll care in Day 5. I'm keeping this unltil I feel like there's a sure-fire better vote, or because of pragmatic reasons.

 

[Kalor]

If this indeed is the case, theoretically wouldn't the Despair have to do the same, and meet up at night?

This is, of course, assuming cellphones and radios are banned in Despair acadamy.

I think we just have to pretend that they can communicate through means that we don't know of. If Despair did move to meet at night, I'm sure some pattern would have appeared by now from the Fight Club information that we've heard about. I have to wonder if CzarTim's role would have mentioned this if it did happen.

I explained earlier why he made my gut tingle in suspicious ways. I already voted him for in Day 3, but no one cared about that vote. Maybe they'll care in Day 5. I'm keeping this unltil I feel like there's a sure-fire better vote, or because of pragmatic reasons.

I can understand why you want to vote for me as I have been "gliding among the waves" and contributing when I have something to add or a point to make. For the reasons you've given I can't really argue against them since it mostly boils down to the gut feeling that you have.

I haven't said anything about my role but I am just an Ordinary Student. Of course that would be the most obvious role for me to claim if I was Despair so I know this doesn't change anything.

 

[Sawneeks]

Hmm ok. I had to ask because Ordinary Student is a very easy claim to make for Despair given that they form a large number of the player base. But you have been pretty forthcoming about being a PR since then, i just wasnt sure why you would claim Ordinary so early in the game. I'll have to go back to day 3 to see who outed you first, that might help me form a better opinion of this.

The order of things on Day 3 kind of went like this: Crab votes for me as I am suspicious - > more people start jumping on to vote for me and soon I get a majority - > CzarTim says if I have a powerful role to say so now so I can save myself and "if she is important everyone throw their vote on me" - > I agree to share Fight Club info if you guys let me live (soft role claim I guess?) - > Day ends - > next Day starts and I rattle off the info I promised

Also, as it stands so far, I'm gunning for

Vote: Zippedpinhead

For reasons I have stated already. However, we still have 24 hours left and who knows what will happen so I am willing to reconsider.

 

[Swamped]

and in conclusion... ?
Seems you like you identified him defending Czar, then threw that out as you believe he was tricked, leaving you with nothing. Nothing else worth mentioning from his 4 and a half days in this game? No overall gut feeling on his alignment?

Not following you here. First you say his sleepwalker claim was given a little more trust than it deserved (I agree), but then you "should be Hope"?? Why? What line of reasoning did I miss here? You also backtrack slightly and say you still don't trust him, I don't see much justification for this either but I guess it would be hard for me to argue against "previous game knowledge" that I don't have...

Admittedly I only included Kitty as a difficult one, but still I'm disappointed with this non answer. You can search his posts, there aren't that many (and they're quite interesting), should be at least something in there to comment on and give a vague alignment read.

Doesn't have to be solid, I'll accept ""gut feels"" for this part but I'd like at least some idea of who you think are Despair.

Lol, nice try, but that was the easy part.

I'd also like to know your opinion on ZippedPinhead and Swamped

Something about this post has been irking me and I wasn't how to put it...i think it's because it feels like you're trying to elicit a certain response from CM, a new player (an easy target?). Sure, her reads could have been more detailed, but not everyone is going to write an essay citing sources. For example it seemed pretty clear that she thought TB was Hope aligned. I would just like to know why you are pushing her so much.

 

[AbsolutBro]

0. TL21xx: Good luck! Hope things ease up a bit and you can join us again some time!

1. The current vote on Zipped: I don't feel it. I'm getting pretty strong Hope-read from Zipped. I don't really have an issue with the questions he's asking, since I know if I'd be frustrated with talk of Rule Breakers and having to be on the outside.

2. <other>: This person has to know who they are. We've crossed paths twice now. N2 and N4. I don't know if you crossed paths with Pau or not, so I don't know if you're the same as <redacted>. I honestly don't think you are.

3. "AbsolutBro could be a Despair sleepwalker". I'm not, but I obviously can't prove to you I'm Hope, short of dying or being Punished. I do think the "He and Czar both had coded posts!" is a SUPER weak argument given the drastically different nature of our posts. Mine had a message anyone could read, and indeed I WANTED people to see it in case I died that night. Czar's was a message that no one but Czar could have understood. Even if you pulled out "ABNS" or whatever it was, would have guess it was a message? I wouldn't have.

4. Double deathless nights. I agree with the general suspicion that at least one of those was Despair targeting a facility and it being empty. I may have already said this, I don't know.

5. Still super suspicious of Sawneeks. One of Crab's last posts was this one:

-sigh-
Czar, you are really letting me down here. I'm going to have to explain tomorrow why you are a dimwit.
Please vote Sawneeks, people.

which sawneeks followed with:

Sleep well Crab. Please don't have any more night adventures without me.

Unless I missed something (distinctly possible), we didn't know Crab was a Rule Breaker before this post. Outing Crab out of spite?

The other thing I find odd is that almost the entire time that the Czar / Sawneeks vote is going on, they barely ever interact with each other. In fact, I can only find the following exchange (towards the end of the voting) where they actually talk to each other:

saw can you claim? if it's an important role, everyone switch their vote to me.

I REALLY didn't want to but seeing this dogpile I'm tempted. :|

 

[*Splinter]

Something about this post has been irking me and I wasn't how to put it...i think it's because it feels like you're trying to elicit a certain response from CM, a new player (an easy target?).

Yup.

So why are YOU defending her?

 

[Royal_Flush]

I do think the "He and Czar both had coded posts!" is a SUPER weak argument given the drastically different nature of our posts. Mine had a message anyone could read, and indeed I WANTED people to see it in case I died that night. Czar's was a message that no one but Czar could have understood. Even if you pulled out "ABNS" or whatever it was, would have guess it was a message? I wouldn't have.

When I read that "ABNS" claim the first time I was (and I still am) convinced that was bullsh*t. I can find encrypted messages on every other page if I want to:

Probably because we're putting WAY too much thought into fluff.

And even if that did matter, there's no guarantee that Pau and Ty4on are lovers, they could also be masons. Which would make that train of thought null and void.

Unless they actually claimed lovers when I wasn't paying attention. They didn't do that, did they?

Look, he spelled "PAU". This is the hidden evidence that in reality he was Pau's Lover instead of Ty4on and all this was just some weird game for whatever reason!!!1!!111eleven

 

[Swamped]

Yup.

So why are YOU defending her?

Why haven't you paid the same diligence to the other new replacement players, like Flushy?

It just feels like you're egging CM to change her opinions to what you think is correct, maybe because you want to get another supporter or something. It's just rubbing me the wrong way. And I didn't even feel insulted when you called us 'chucklefucks'.

 

[Royal_Flush]

I got so carried away by this hidden message thing that I forgot to reply to the important part:

5. Still super suspicious of Sawneeks. One of Crab's last posts was this one:

which sawneeks followed with:


Unless I missed something (distinctly possible), we didn't know Crab was a Rule Breaker before this post. Outing Crab out of spite?

The other thing I find odd is that almost the entire time that the Czar / Sawneeks vote is going on, they barely ever interact with each other. In fact, I can only find the following exchange (towards the end of the voting) where they actually talk to each other:

If she wanted to tell Despair that crab is a PR she could just have told them in the Despair chat... The fact that CzarTim also is fishing for a PR last minute lessens my suspicion on her. Interesting that we both find the same post remarkable yet draw opposite conclusion from it.

 

[AbsolutBro]

saw can you claim? if it's an important role, everyone switch their vote to me.

I REALLY didn't want to but seeing this dogpile I'm tempted. :|

I got so carried away by this hidden message thing that I forgot to reply to the important part:


If she wanted to tell Despair that crab is a PR she could just have told them in the Despair chat... The fact that CzarTim also is fishing for a PR last minute lessens my suspicion on her. Interesting that we both find the same post remarkable yet draw opposite conclusion from it.

I think Czar was still trying to maintain his cover. Doing the whole "self sacrifice" thing isn't new for Czar, so being willing to trade places "if her role is important" is a Town move for him that nets Despair information they could use. I mean, they only get so many kills so going after a Doctor instead of a Sleepwalker or a Blocker isn't terrible.

Telling everyone that Crab was a Rule Breaker is very anti-town, since until then he had pretty much maintained he was an Ordinary Student. Sure, she could tell Despair in Despair chat, but by just saying what she did it casts doubt on Crab for everyone else that didn't already know he was a PR; it paints him as a liar that could have forced a role-claim on his part.

 

[Royal_Flush]

I think Czar was still trying to maintain his cover. Doing the whole "self sacrifice" thing isn't new for Czar, so being willing to trade places "if her role is important" is a Town move for him that nets Despair information they could use. I mean, they only get so many kills so going after a Doctor instead of a Sleepwalker or a Blocker isn't terrible.

Telling everyone that Crab was a Rule Breaker is very anti-town, since until then he had pretty much maintained he was an Ordinary Student. Sure, she could tell Despair in Despair chat, but by just saying what she did it casts doubt on Crab for everyone else that didn't already know he was a PR; it paints him as a liar that could have forced a role-claim on his part.

I agree that it was a terrible anti-town move. I disagree on the conclusion.

Maybe Sawneeks can comment on that herself. But as I see it, two options present itself
a) Irrational anger against crab (if you are hope and you saw a roaming crab N1 that now goes after you, you'll assume he was Despair)
b) Despair that slipped up (As in: "Shit, I'm used to everyone knowing crab roams because I told everyone in the chat about it")

 

[Ty4on]

I agree that it was a terrible anti-town move. I disagree on the conclusion.

Maybe Sawneeks can comment on that herself. But as I see it, two options present itself
a) Irrational anger against crab (if you are hope and you saw a roaming crab N1 that now goes after you, you'll assume he was Despair)
b) Despair that slipped up (As in: "Shit, I'm used to everyone knowing crab roams because I told everyone in the chat about it")

It could also be intentional by making it look like Sawneeks accidentally role claimed Crab so Czar's kill is more justified instead of us going "how did they see Crab at night".

 

[*Splinter]

Why haven't you paid the same diligence to the other new replacement players, like Flushy?

It just feels like you're egging CM to change her opinions to what you think is correct, maybe because you want to get another supporter or something. It's just rubbing me the wrong way. And I didn't even feel insulted when you called us 'chucklefucks'.

'Flushy' jumped straight into the game and made an immediate good impression on me, he is also replacing a player I generally felt was Hope (as far as I remember).

Previous replacements joined when I was presumably busy with other leads, rather than bored to tears with mechanic talk, CM doesn't have that luxury.

Also, she's replacing a player that I already thought was Despair. Some of you seem to have forgotten that Barry "Despairiest of the Despairagons" Locke was suspicions before and beside his dwindling activity. His D1 was FULL of fluff posts, far more than anyone else with such a low post count (and you can add a bunch of pre-game posts as pointed out by Crab). I believed Barry was intentionally inflating his post count in a poor attempt to avoid suspicion (and it almost worked, I remember some analysis by Corn based on post count. Barry just scraped into "mid tier poster" and avoided the harsher analysis of the lower tiers).

But we can't expect CM to answer for the sins of her predecessor, so I asked for some simple reads. An easy one, a random one, a PR and a Kitty curveball. She flubbed the read on Terra (I don't see that as a Hope read personally, it's a null read at best in my eyes) and didn't even attempt Kitty.

Now that's actually fine, as you pointed out (and I was obviously aware) she is new to the game and claims to still be playing catch up, so I was expecting a novel on each player, I was even expecting at least one "I don't know". But I wasn't hugely interested in her reads anyway, my plan was to apply pressure and gauge reaction, so I went ahead and pushed for more answers and what happened next? Barrychris McKenzielocke disappears again, fails to answer on her return, and when (re)prompted still ignores many of my questions. Note that I intentionally didn't vote her (despite the threat) to see if she would respond to pressure without a vote (generally a good sign in my eyes).

Was this unfair? Maybe. Harsh? Hell yeah. But nothing interesting comes from easy questions. This was a little test I devised, and in my eyes CM failed.




...I was also slightly curious as to who might defend her. Now this is by no means damning in itself, but I do find it interesting that you were the one to step forward...

I mean, much of my criticism for Zipped has been in his over-eager mechanic talk, and I believe a closer analysis of your posts would reveal an often similar play style...

 

[*Splinter]

*wasn't expecting

I wasn't expecting a novel

 

[Royal_Flush]

Just wanted to give you a Heads-Up that I most likely will not be around at the deadline. Maybe on mobile, but I won't promise.

If you want my input on anything important please ask within the next 16 hours.

btw, *Splinter, you promised us more sheets.

 

[*Splinter]

Just wanted to give you a Heads-Up that I most likely will not be around at the deadline. Maybe on mobile, but I won't promise.

If you want my input on anything important please ask within the next 16 hours.

btw, *Splinter, you promised us more sheets.

I haven't forgotten, but just a heads up I've decided to stop updating that spreadsheet. I'll share what I've got next time I'm at my PC, but that will be it.

 

[Sawneeks]

I agree that it was a terrible anti-town move. I disagree on the conclusion.

Maybe Sawneeks can comment on that herself. But as I see it, two options present itself
a) Irrational anger against crab (if you are hope and you saw a roaming crab N1 that now goes after you, you'll assume he was Despair)
b) Despair that slipped up (As in: "Shit, I'm used to everyone knowing crab roams because I told everyone in the chat about it")

I believe I answered this before but I will explain again to clarify some things.

It's near the end of Day 3 and I'm on board for getting rid of CzarTim to test a theory I had in mind about how Francomp died. I was, at that point, convinced that one of the 3 people I saw on Night 1 was the killer but I didn't know how to be perfectly sure about who it was. But, with SalvaPot dead, it came down to CzarTim/Crab being the killer and since Czar was eager to prove his point I saw no issue with it. Kill two theories with one lynch, right? And how Czar was playing that day I was 90% sure he was Hope...meaning Crab could be the killer? "But how?" I thought as I went over Day 2 again, "Crab seemed like a Hope player...but I suppose the false Hope Leader did have some traction." But I still wasn't sure and I didn't want to call Crab out until I was 100% certain, thus I was willing to wait for Czar's death.

But right near the end of the Day suddenly Crab starts throwing suspicion my way. It was something I felt was odd because, up until then, I had not really had much attention from him at all. I know this is the reason why he voted for me in the first place but you have to understand that 'in the moment' it came across as extremely suspicious to me. CzarTim or Crab was the killer, Czar I saw has a Hope player leaving Crab in an uncertain area. But with his sudden heavy focus on me for not a particularly strong reason ( compared to others he had gone after ) I started to give the Despair-Crab theory much more consideration. Was he going after me because he knew I saw him Night 1? Was he trying to get rid of me so I wouldn't share his secret?

I felt that, despite my role claim, I was going to die that day but I didn't want to let Crab get away with it so I dropped the whole "don't go on any night adventures without me" bit to leave a trail after I died.

You have to understand that I honestly thought CzarTim was Hope and Crab was Despair by the last hour of Day 3. I will admit my line drop was probably not the best idea in retrospect but in the moment I thought it was a perfect idea so we could catch Despair.

 

[Makai]

General advice for people planning games from someone who first-hand saw a mechanic blow up in his face, try not to make things overly complex. Even the best ideas have that one scenario where they could go belly-up, not be used the way you intended, and all of a sudden the game is broken or boring or too hectic.

You try to plan your game out too perfectly, then if things start taking another course than the one you envisioned, it's no longer balanced or no longer works well. Kark (which might have been passed down from Crab) told me when I was making my game that I should create a sandbox, but ultimately let the players decide how to utilize it. Don't get too into specific scenarios or crazy shenanigans because you won't be able to see every eventuality.

Here's what I think is going on. Launchpad designed a broken game where most power roles are super-watchers. Nobody's died because the other Despair fear exposure and have stayed in their rooms. If somebody new pops up in the halls that wasn't seen on Nights 4 and 5, let's lynch 'em.

 

[Makai]

*Nights 3 and 4

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I was talking about the Bullet Time Battle m8

 

[Makai]

Sureeeeee.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Sureeeeee.

And don't quote shit I say outside the thread that's irrelevant. You're going to confuse people.

 

[Pau]

Here's what I think is going on. Launchpad designed a broken game where most power roles are super-watchers. Nobody's died because the other Despair fear exposure and have stayed in their rooms. If somebody new pops up in the halls that wasn't seen on Nights 4 and 5, let's lynch 'em.

Considering that we're keeping the names of other rule breakers quiet, I really don't see this being the case. And what are they going to do, just wait for Hope to lynch all the rule breakers before starting up again?

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Jesus Christ Makai, look what you've started

 

[AbsolutBro]

Not going to lie I clicked the "quoted post" thing and wondered if I'd been reading the wrong thread from the start.

 

[kingkitty]

I don't buy despair choosing not to kill, I think they're just fuckin' up left and right.

I hope they're not choosing to never go out during the night and let us do all the lynching. Because that's boring, and stretches the game out to the point where it'll end weeks and weeks after the other games have finished.

 

[Christina Mackenzie]

I don't buy despair choosing not to kill, I think they're just fuckin' up left and right.

I hope they're not choosing to never go out during the night and let us do all the lynching. Because that's boring, and stretches the game out to the point where it'll end weeks and weeks after the other games have finished.

Launch will probably institute a time limit. Find all Despair by the end of the day or everyone dies.

Splinter I'll get to you soon. I made the mistake of not keeping notes so all my readings are based of memory. I know how I feel about certain players but I won't be able to write that best selling novel you're expecting.

 

[Christina Mackenzie]

Why haven't you paid the same diligence to the other new replacement players, like Flushy?

It just feels like you're egging CM to change her opinions to what you think is correct, maybe because you want to get another supporter or something. It's just rubbing me the wrong way. And I didn't even feel insulted when you called us 'chucklefucks'.

swamped, it's ok my opinions of everyone haven't really changed. Also I didn't think I'd be used when I signed up for the replacement list. Jumping in mid-game hasn't exactly been easy for me and I may have also overestimated my abilities to play this game.

*wasn't expecting

I wasn't expecting a novel

Kingkitty

Regarding your read for Makai to be 100% not Despair, just because Czar was pushing for Makai to be lynched doesn't rule out that possibility. It could have easily been a ruse. Makai has role claimed to be a lucky student but so far no one has come forward to confirm his story. If he/she does share the same ability and is immune to being killed at night I don't see any reason for not coming out at this point to avoid accidentally being lynched. Either way Makai is still here, it's a very good lie or half-lie because Hope hasn't put pressure on him yet and Despair won't touch him with a 10 foot pole.

You seem to have it in for Kalor, reason being he's "Gliding among the waves, Anonymous as a bee" but as we've just seen last page, it's not solid evidence to implicate one as Despair. Unless you just want to get rid of dead weight.

Zippedpinhead

Claims to be ordinary hope
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=177391718&postcount=3637

He has been active and his post have been insightful. He didn't want D3 to end early with a Czar lynch. I don't see any strong evidence to implicate his as Despair.

swamped

Again, she has been active in the discussions making very well reasoned posts. I put her together will CornBurrito as Hope.

 

[Pau]

I'm trying to think of ways to check Makai's claim. I would imagine if his partner was targeted, he would say so. Probably shouldn't expect Despair to try to hit the same player twice, although who knows.

But the problem with having the partner come forward is that they will no longer waste a NK.

Seems like a CzarTim situation in that if we really want to know, we'll have to kill Makai. I'm willing to wait. And it's a better lie because having a player immune to NK sounds too good to waste.

 

[Makai]

I'm trying to think of ways to check Makai's claim. I would imagine if his partner was targeted, he would say so. Probably shouldn't expect Despair to try to hit the same player twice, although who knows.

But the problem with having the partner come forward is that they will no longer waste a NK.

Seems like a CzarTim situation in that if we really want to know, we'll have to kill Makai. I'm willing to wait. And it's a better lie because having a player immune to NK sounds too good to waste.

It won't come to that: My buddy can reveal if I am at risk of lynching. My buddy will have to come forward eventually, but thwarting night kills is a good reason to keep quiet for now.

 

[*Splinter]

Jumping in mid-game hasn't exactly been easy for me and I may have also overestimated my abilities to play this game

Don't worry, you're doing fine. As I said I was giving you a hard time intentionally, it was nothing personal.

 

[Swamped]

swamped, it's ok my opinions of everyone haven't really changed. Also I didn't think I'd be used when I signed up for the replacement list. Jumping in mid-game hasn't exactly been easy for me and I may have also overestimated my abilities to play this game.

If it makes you feel any better I think you're doing fine. But my rebuttal against *Splinter wasn't really about you, but more his response to you.

'Flushy' jumped straight into the game and made an immediate good impression on me, he is also replacing a player I generally felt was Hope (as far as I remember).

Previous replacements joined when I was presumably busy with other leads, rather than bored to tears with mechanic talk, CM doesn't have that luxury.

Also, she's replacing a player that I already thought was Despair. Some of you seem to have forgotten that Barry "Despairiest of the Despairagons" Locke was suspicions before and beside his dwindling activity. His D1 was FULL of fluff posts, far more than anyone else with such a low post count (and you can add a bunch of pre-game posts as pointed out by Crab). I believed Barry was intentionally inflating his post count in a poor attempt to avoid suspicion (and it almost worked, I remember some analysis by Corn based on post count. Barry just scraped into "mid tier poster" and avoided the harsher analysis of the lower tiers).

But we can't expect CM to answer for the sins of her predecessor, so I asked for some simple reads. An easy one, a random one, a PR and a Kitty curveball. She flubbed the read on Terra (I don't see that as a Hope read personally, it's a null read at best in my eyes) and didn't even attempt Kitty.

Now that's actually fine, as you pointed out (and I was obviously aware) she is new to the game and claims to still be playing catch up, so I was expecting a novel on each player, I was even expecting at least one "I don't know". But I wasn't hugely interested in her reads anyway, my plan was to apply pressure and gauge reaction, so I went ahead and pushed for more answers and what happened next? Barrychris McKenzielocke disappears again, fails to answer on her return, and when (re)prompted still ignores many of my questions. Note that I intentionally didn't vote her (despite the threat) to see if she would respond to pressure without a vote (generally a good sign in my eyes).

Was this unfair? Maybe. Harsh? Hell yeah. But nothing interesting comes from easy questions. This was a little test I devised, and in my eyes CM failed.




...I was also slightly curious as to who might defend her. Now this is by no means damning in itself, but I do find it interesting that you were the one to step forward...

I mean, much of my criticism for Zipped has been in his over-eager mechanic talk, and I believe a closer analysis of your posts would reveal an often similar play style...

"Despairiest of the Despairagons", correct me if I'm wrong, but i believe it was AB who used this phrase to describe CzarTim? According to memory Crab was the only one who openly suspected Barrylocke of being Despair, with a few others confused by him due to his lack of posts. But ok, i can understand why you would want to grill CM based on Barry.

As to seeing 'who might defend her'...this is really silly. I'm attacking you, not defending her. I don't even agree with some of assessments. I felt like you were asking her leading questions (this is how I felt after you responded to her, the questions itself were ok, a twist on simply asking for general reads). Especially with regards to your opinions on her response to TB and AB. You say you're ok with her giving you gut feelings and that's exactly what she did. But you're not satisfied because perhaps her gut doesn't align with your own?

I will agree with you that CM's assessment of KK was a little disappointing because he does have some interesting posts.

I also think you are wrong about my interest in the map. I could care less about the mechanics itself (people's routes and such). What i care about are the (outed) rulebreakers themselves, their stories and posts, because I strongly believe there has to be one other scum among them apart from CzarTim. I shall comment a little more on this later.