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[*Splinter]

Let's say the Item Giver player (presumably Town) has been giving out items all game, but by the nature of the game, items have gone to both scum and town players. That means it's pretty likely a scum player got an item. If that's the case, then you're only hurting Town by not talking about it.


Furthermore:

An entire group staying quiet about getting a secret item could be that nobody wants to be the one person to speak up first. Fine.

However, once someone does bring it up, the psychology of the situation changes.

Maybe you're the one good guy who decided to finally bring it up, in hopes that the Item Giver will acknowledge you, and by the same token, acknowledge that those who haven't said anything could be the shadowy scum players with something to hide.

Or, maybe you're one of the scum players who decided to bring up the item situation, from your relatively safe position in the game, to see who else brings it up - depending on what the item does, this could give you an idea of who to target from now on.

By bringing up the item at all, you've already done most of the work.

Every item is different, I am very sure of that.

At this point I'd expect item receivers to be speaking up, regardless of their alignment, so not sure what's going on there. Maybe they haven't come to the same conclusions as me and are unconvinced that items are unique - in which case they could be being cautious for the scenario you described where I'm scum. Maybe they all died. Maybe they just haven't checked the thread yet.

Regardless, none of this is getting us any closer to finding scum.

 

[*Splinter]

Tell us what the item does, and we can figure out whether it would make sense for the receivers to still be in the game.



It's not a bluff. DP and I have been preparing for a possible DP reveal, should it work in Town's favor.

If you're scum, you're likely going to stall and not comply - which is what you're doing now.

Tell us what the item does.

I'm not stalling, I've stated outright that I'm not going to tell you.

From the bolded I think you are missing that each item appears to be unique.

 

[Karkador]

Alright, there we go, you're getting there. That's one more bit down. You got an item, and it 'appears' to be unique.

Tell us more.

 

[Karkador]

For the new page:

Splinter has this much time to fully explain what the item does, so that I don't reveal the identity of Danny Phantom.

It should be plenty of time to come up with something.

 

[*Splinter]

Alright, there we go, you're getting there. That's one more bit down. You got an item, and it 'appears' to be unique.

Tell us more.

I said I thought it was unique as soon as you asked me for details. Don't act like I'm dragging this out.

I'm not sharing details because I think it's unique.

I would never have mentioned owning an item if I thought otherwise - that chain of logic should be obvious.

 

[Karkador]

The item being unique is only more of a reason you should share, as you wouldn't be spoiling what somebody else is holding onto.

 

[*Splinter]

The item being unique is only more of a reason you should share, as you wouldn't be spoiling what somebody else is holding onto.

Ridiculous. If scum know what my item does they can prepare for it accordingly. Town gains nothing from this knowledge.

 

[Karkador]

Ridiculous. If scum know what my item does they can prepare for it accordingly. Town gains nothing from this knowledge.

Did you forget? Scum already lost their roleblocker. What else do you think they could possibly do to interfere?

 

[*Splinter]

Did you forget? Scum already lost their roleblocker. What else do you think they could possibly do to interfere?

Depends what my item does I guess.

 

[Karkador]

It's likely not an investigation shot, as we had a Cop.

If it's a kill, they wont block it. We don't even have a switcher anymore.

If it's a shield, the worst they'll do to you is not target you.

 

[*Splinter]

Indeed.

You don't know what item I have, so why do you suppose that you're judgement on this is better mine?

 

[*Splinter]

You ready to hunt some scum yet?

 

[Karkador]

Indeed.

You don't know what item I have, so why do you suppose that you're judgement on this is better mine?

Because none of your claims add up

VOTE: *Splinter

 

[*Splinter]

Because none of your claims add up

VOTE: *Splinter

 

[Karkador]

The timer and my ultimatum are still going, if you want to offer a real explanation, but I don't think there is one.

You brought up some random item mechanic to try to stir confusion, and now you're in way over your head. Nothing you've offered as an explanation has made any logical sense.

 

[*Splinter]

The timer and my ultimatum are still going, if you want to offer a real explanation, but I don't think there is one.

You brought up some random item mechanic to try to stir confusion, and now you're in way over your head. Nothing you've offered as an explanation has made any logical sense.

That is the worst gambit I've ever heard. I'm offended.

 

[melonrabbit]

This is getting ridiculous.

Fenton Finder, right?

 

[*Splinter]

Oh look. An item. Someone else has an item. I am shocked.




Shocked.

 

[*Splinter]

I'm going to go ahead and assume the item giver is town. We can (hopefully) verify another player by having them full claim. However, for tactical reasons this shouldn't happen until next day phase, so please noone claim if/when you received an item before then.

Unless you gave melon an item, in which case item giver can just claim and we lynch her today.

VOTE: melonrabbit

 

[Karkador]

This is getting ridiculous.

Fenton Finder, right?

So you're the Item Giver?

 

[Karkador]

This is getting ridiculous.

Fenton Finder, right?

Also, if you're not the Item Giver, this statement implies that the items are not unique

 

[Trigger]

This is getting ridiculous.

Fenton Finder, right?

Oh look. An item. Someone else has an item. I am shocked.

Shocked.

If you guys know something that could put this to rest, it's probably best to say so now. I can't see what's to gain by hiding it. In theory, scum already knows you guys are involved now.

 

[Trigger]

Also, I'm not sure I get the DP reveal ultimatum either. It's kind of a strange thing for a townie to do.

 

[Karkador]

The point is, *Splinter is a scum player making stuff up. I'm betting Danny Phantom's identity on it, because enough is enough. This item claim makes no sense, and Splinter (and his predecessors) has been trying to passively lead Town on with relatively soft tactics such as miller claims, and now this.

 

[ultron87]

This is getting ridiculous.

Fenton Finder, right?

So are you just guessing or do you have a Fenton Finder or gave Splinter a Fenton Finder?

 

[*Splinter]

The point is, *Splinter is a scum player making stuff up. I'm betting Danny Phantom's identity on it, because enough is enough. This item claim makes no sense, and Splinter (and his predecessors) has been trying to passively lead Town on with relatively soft tactics such as miller claims, and now this.

Right. New evidence comes up, and your mind isn't changed. There's no way you still believe this drivel you're spewing.

I'm a miller. Always have been. If you think Xam should have claimed you'll have to take it up with him.

I received an item. That's odd, sure, but now melon has said something to suggest she also knows about items. Now we're just waiting for her to come up with a consistent story with the rest of scum chat.

Your narrative is garbage and you know it. I don't know why Danny is still (implicitly) vouching for you, but I don't believe you can be town.

A bad track record I can forgive - we've all been there - but your play today makes even less sense than usual.

 

[*Splinter]

And by "less sense than usual" I'm referring to Love Boat.

It was a sick fucking burn.

Eat it.

 

[*Splinter]

"Eat it" is, of course, purely theatrical. No offense intended.

 

[Karkador]

Right. New evidence comes up, and your mind isn't changed. There's no way you still believe this drivel you're spewing.

Melonrabbit could be scum coordinating with you. You seem to be lining her up to bus her.

I'm a miller. Always have been. If you think Xam should have claimed you'll have to take it up with him.

What does your miller claim matter now that the Cop is dead?

I received an item. That's odd, sure, but now melon has said something to suggest she also knows about items. Now we're just waiting for her to come up with a consistent story with the rest of scum chat.

The clock is ticking, and it's ultimately your story we're judging here.

Your narrative is garbage and you know it. I don't know why Danny is still (implicitly) vouching for you, but I don't believe you can be town.

Then why are you voting for melonrabbit instead of me? My narrative isn't the problem, it's yours.

 

[*Splinter]

Melonrabbit could be scum coordinating with you. You seem to be lining her up to bus her.

You would have a problem with that?

What does your miller claim matter now that the Cop is dead?

...what? You tried to paint me as inconsistent or "passively leading town along" whatever that means. There's been nothing inconsistent about my claim apart from it coming later than it should have. Something I had no control over.

The clock is ticking, and it's ultimately your story we're judging here.

Speak for yourself. The current open question is with melon. I'd also hope that at least someone is playing a little less myopicly than you are trying to encourage.

Then why are you voting for melonrabbit instead of me? My narrative isn't the problem, it's yours.

VOTE: Karkador

VOTE: melonrabbit

VOTE: *Splinter

VOTE: cabot

Makes no difference at this point. Right now I'm interested in melon's response, but let's not pretend my vote means anything until we start to gain a consensus. This isn't D1.

UNVOTE

 

[Royal_Flush]

VOTE: Karkador

VOTE: melonrabbit

VOTE: *Splinter

VOTE: cabot

Makes no difference at this point. Right now I'm interested in melon's response, but let's not pretend my vote means anything until we start to gain a consensus. This isn't D1.

UNVOTE

This reminds me of: How come you're still not hammered with 3 votes on you?

 

[*Splinter]

This reminds me of: How come you're still not hammered with 3 votes on you?

Because Sketch is scum.

 

[Karkador]

lol

 

[*Splinter]

Because Sketch is scum.

*Sketch and/or Kark

 

[melonrabbit]

*Splinter at this point I'm the only one who can get you out of this hole you've dug yourself. You are making me think you do not deserve the item I sent you last night.

 

[*Splinter]

Melonrabbit could be scum coordinating with you. You seem to be lining her up to bus her.

Let's not gloss over what a baffling argument this is. You suspect melon and I are scum working in tandem, and yet you'd be unwilling to vote for her?

The scenario you posit is that I'm trying to bus her, earn mad townie cred's and coast (lol) to the end of the game.

You'll still be alive tomorrow. You could just as easily point out a bus then, only there we'd know for sure that your theory is half true (I.e. we'd know melon is indeed scum), so a bus isn't such a wild theory.

Maybe you think I'd be harder to lynch then? Reasonable suggestion, but let's look at it in reverse: lynch me today. For the sake of pointing out how ridiculous your position is, we'll pretend I flip scum. Then my push on melon since yesterday makes her look townie as fuck. A bus is still possible and so you're in the same situation. Except people are already more open to my lynch, so if anything it'd be even harder to lynch her then than it would me.

So even if you believe your posed theory, that comment makes no fucking sense.

 

[*Splinter]

*Splinter at this point I'm the only one who can get you out of this hole you've dug yourself. You are making me think you do not deserve the item I sent you last night.

I wish you hadn't revealed the name, that wasn't necessary.

Unless we get a counter claim, melon is the item giver. "Fenton Finder" is exactly what I received.

 

[Trigger]

*Splinter at this point I'm the only one who can get you out of this hole you've dug yourself. You are making me think you do not deserve the item I sent you last night.

What's the point of the items?

 

[*Splinter]

Considering what to do next. I think melon can reveal who she delivered to each night? I don't think you should reveal any more about the items though.

I need to reread today with a non-scum melon

 

[*Splinter]

What's the point of the items?

What do you expect to gain from this question?

 

[StarSketch]

I wish you hadn't revealed the name, that wasn't necessary.

Unless we get a counter claim, melon is the item giver. "Fenton Finder" is exactly what I received.

So wait. Why'd you vote for her then?

 

[StarSketch]

*Sketch and/or Kark

Or, you know, scum is one of our inactives.

 

[*Splinter]

So wait. Why'd you vote for her then?

I wanted to know if she had received the same item or was the one who gave it to me.

If it was the former she's have some explaining to do, so I was increasing the pressure a bit.

 

[*Splinter]

Or, you know, scum is one of our inactives.

Sadly possible. Could you unvote? I really don't want to be turbo'd just as we're starting to get somewhere. I'm sure I'll still be a candidate as we approach deadline.

 

[*Splinter]

I forgot to ask, melon why did you pick me last night? I was your top suspect the day before?

 

[*Splinter]

I forgot to ask, melon why did you pick me last night? I was your top suspect the day before?

Hmm, maybe I was remembering that wrong. You were mostly on the defensive yesterday.

 

[*Splinter]

Can we please not lynch StarSketch? Right now I suspect she could very well be Town.

What brought this about, Flush?

 

[StarSketch]

Sadly possible. Could you unvote? I really don't want to be turbo'd just as we're starting to get somewhere. I'm sure I'll still be a candidate as we approach deadline.

unvote

 

[melonrabbit]

(At work, apologies)

I needed a way to get some fresh reads on people.

This is the most active we've been in days.

 

[*Splinter]

This not having come up at all makes me incredibly skeptical. Especially when you say that anyone else needs to wait a day before backing your story up. This game is probably real close to over, so saying "keep me alive one more day because *mysterious reason*" reeks of a scum player that just needs to last that one more day.

You seem to be suggesting that receiving an item confirms someone as town. That seems insane in a game where town already has a cop and an private chat recruitment that confirms the invitees team if successful.

I don't have a strong read on ultron, but this second paragraph sounds like scum letting their complaints about game-balance spill into the main thread. It's a very kyan-esque scumtell.

Has Ultron claimed? Or had any claims relating to him? He's been off the radar for as long as I can remember.