bananafactory
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Yeah. For most of its runtime it's almost rather a straight up drama than a superhero show.
I can see why that rubs some people the wrong way when expectations were different
Daredevil's Charlie Cox announces filming date for The Defenders
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Yeah. For most of its runtime it's almost rather a straight up drama than a superhero show.
I can see why that rubs some people the wrong way when expectations were different
Ninja Scooter
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I've never heard anyone express having a problem with that though. I mean, the internet is a huge, shitty place. I'm sure there are some misogynists that hate the show because it features a woman and deals with issues like rape, but I haven't seen anything remotely close to that here.
just keep luke cage and iron fist out of it, that's all I ask
Ninja Scooter
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Because I think for the most part DD is great but JJ is terrible. Is that okay?
A show with a female showrunner and female lead, who is a rape survivor, where the action takes a backseat to interpersonal drama, and whose major themes are sexuality, autonomy, and toxic masculinity?
MIGHT be targeting a female audience. Maybe.
GraceflAnger
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There better be a DD season 3. I would be hugely disappointed if there wasn't.
call_kotaku
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It's a rape survivor story, it deals with issues of consent and trauma (you know, "dumb shit") and doesn't really try to educate the audience on it. A lot of people find it inaccessible or unsatisfying for that reason, for better or for worse.
Basically, don't assume it tried to be the same show as Daredevil
Lactose_Intolerant
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They just need to show her abilities better. She's a perfectly fine character.
I'm not saying people specifically have a problem with that, it's just that the show might not connect with people the same way that a typical macho superhero story would, and because of that they like it less, or focus on its flaws more.
Yip. I mean, that's fandoms I guess.
Ninja Scooter
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That wasn't the "dumb shit" I was referring to. Quit trying to spin things in that direction. The writing was bad, and Jessica's character was written terribly. That has nothing to do with rape and trauma or disliking a show for tackling those issues. I commend the show for tackling those issues, and wish more did it. But this one did it badly.
bananafactory
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It's just odd to single out one. A lot of these characters make dumb choices which is part of what humanizes them
QuantumZebra
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I had no problem with the rape survivor story. I thought they did a good job making the Purple Man terrifying, showing how he had invaded her personally and how the PTSD still affected her. All in all I think that was handled quite tastefully and with respect.
It is absolutely disingenuous to say anyone who criticizes JJ are the types of people who think consent and trauma are dumb shit. The show has the most contrived writing and plot points I've seen in years. This has nothing to do with the rape survivor theme.
Interfectum
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Very specific fandoms.
My Netflix Marvel character is better than your Netflix Marvel character!!!
DryEyeRelief
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You don't think the opposite is true? Because the premise is not a typical male superhero story people are willing to look past it being structured like a bad season of Dexter?
The Artisan
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WrenchNinja
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My manThe best Defenders book
When are we gonna get some superhero shows where they don't do much superheroing and more witty hijinks and slacking off :V
These are my defenders
Even though surfer does jackshit in this book besides talk to some beach bums
peanutbutterlatte
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I really don't like how people's first instinct is to shit on whatever Defender they don't like rather than admire the cool factor of the crossover.
Because I like the TV shows? I mean, I like Daredevil except for the main character.
I don't post much in the TV threads generally speaking so I didn't really know the consensus here, but I can say that I agree that Jessica Jones was not nearly as good as some folks made it out to be. I think it would have been significantly improved if they'd made it something like 8 episodes instead of 13. It dragged.. big time. Hopefully they tighten things up in any subsequent seasons. Not entirely sure what the story line would look like either.
Daredevil is exceptional.. Jessica Jones was a work in progress.
Reptars Revenge
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Keep talking like that Warner brothers is going to hire you.
QuantumZebra
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Because reasons!
definitely not ulterior motives or just terrible opinion-forming abilities in general?
The Artisan
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na I think it'll be the threat at the end of Daredevil season 2 going full scale.
save kingpin's return for the spiderman movie!!!!!!!!
I do agree that those plot points didn't make sense but it's no different than
DD not killing Fisk despite him being the cause of multiple deaths
By characters, I was talking about the acting and it is hammy as hell in DD. Fisk's actor acts like he went into the role thinking "I AM PLAYING A CHARACTER BASED ON A COMIC BOOK VILLAIN" than with the idea of playing a real human being. His low growl he calls a speaking voice is ridiculously campy. No one comes close to sounding like that in reality. Charlie Cox's muttering is guilty of the same sin.
Let's not get started on Foggy, a terrible character existing only to whine about DD, played by a horrendous actor.
DryEyeRelief
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hey i haven't said anything about iron fist
See, that's the thing. For some people, you watch JJ and say - "sure, it has interesting themes, but it's not that well written, so it's not a good show." But for others, they say "sure, it's not super well written, but it has interesting themes, so it's a good show."
I don't think it's a stretch to say the people who value those themes over the execution problems PROBABLY connected better with those themes. And I don't think it's a stretch to say that women are more likely to connect with those themes in a show that targets a female audience.
peanutbutterlatte
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Nah he's got some time left in jail yet even if he's running things. Kingpin's super personal to him, whereas The Hand is on a bigger scale. It's got to be some sort of foe that no Defender could face on his/her own.
Liquidsnake
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I think Daredevil is one of my all time favs, and Charlie is amazing.
I only wish they would hold off on these ensemble things, there are still places DD can go, I wish we had a season 3, and not 3 years from now.
I only wish they would hold off on these ensemble things, there are still places DD can go, I wish we had a season 3, and not 3 years from now.
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I mean, its cool, but of the group the only one I like is Daredevil. Luke has the personality of a flat pancake, and Jessica has the potential to be badass but was held back by the quality of her writing (also the actor is... kind of hit or miss. She mostly seems completely disinterested in all of her scenes, its weird). And Danny Rand is an unknown. I'm hoping the Cage and Iron Fist shows will be good so I can get hyped again. And who knows, maybe JJ season 2 can get its shit together.
exmachina64
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'And if you guys ever need any help, New SHIELD is right behind you'
*The Defenders break down laughing*
Just give him a damn cameo in Civil War. Just a damn, "Hey, guys! I'm alive!"
What the heck.
This is exactly what I meant to say. Well put.
welp
QuantumZebra
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Same.
I'm just waiting for the guy who said Divergent was better than Blade Runner to show up.
Then it can be a shitty-opinion fest!
Ninja Scooter
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oh man.
The best Defenders book
When are we gonna get some superhero shows where they don't do much superheroing and more witty hijinks and slacking off :V
You mean
Puck Beaverton
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Shit is reminding me of the Star Trek fanboy wars for TNG, DS9, and VOY
DS9 best show
The Artisan
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dude, give Luke Cage a chance. maybe he wasn't his fault he wasn't great in JJ. his own show is getting a different director and writer I think.
like I said before, he's handsome, looks exactly like he should, and can hold his own as an actor I think.
paragonpro
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Nah, marvel movies seem content just walking around with their hands over their ears "going Tv? netflix? Daredevil? Coulsons dead how can we possibly bring him back? Lalala I cant hear you lalala"
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The difference is that JJ
DOES kill Kilgrave. Which means all the people that died at Kilgrave's hands while she floundered on killing him, their blood is on her hands. Whereas Daredevil is consistent with his no kill policy (which I agree is dumb).
The consistency is the biggest problem with this show. Smart characters make stupid decisions because contrived writing demands it. That is the biggest detractor of a show to me. You can spend as many episodes as you want writing an interesting character, if you shit on all of that development just to move the plot along you've lost me.
I guess we'll have to disagree on the acting. I can get behind Foggy, but D'Onofrio's performance is excellent to me. I could really feel the pent up range and anger bubbling just beneath the veneer.
Agree. That show sucked.
I wonder how Defenders is going to balance the tone and style of the show when so far JJ and Daredevil are pretty dissimilar in that way. Like DD wears its themes on its sleeve and its characters talk like they're reading pages from a comic (in a mostly good way), while JJ goes for a slightly more down to earth feel, even making fun of superheros in costumes and stuff like that. It'll be weird seeing them jam these 4 different shows together into one piece.
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