Daredevil's Charlie Cox announces filming date for The Defenders
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Thank you, this is what stuck out to me too
Sorry UK, we've stolen so many good actors from you and shoved them into genre movies/television
because they're so gooooood
the actors, the movies/tv shows are hit or miss
MHWilliams
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Sure, just throw it up in spoiler tags since this isn't an official DD thread.
Remember his appearance towards the end of Daredevil Season 2 where he shot people to help, but wasn't directly involved?
I liked JJ, somewhat, because it tackled a subject that really needed to be tackled... but even if you like it, you have to admit its flaws. And it was a flawed show.
Agreed. He really shit on his friends. I like Charlie Cox as Daredevil but I didn't like how the character was written that season. And the show suffered from having one storyline (Punisher) that was so much better than the other (The Hand).
Permanently A
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Making bad decisions because of your character development and PTSD and trauma, as long as sufficiently developed and respected, is absolutely believable and understandable. One moment that I think can relate is when JJ goes and
shakes down the exwife of the attorney in the subway
On the other hand you have characters making awful decisions for the sake of moving the contrived plot forwards which is bullshit. For example you have the fairly competent lawyer deciding to
let the sociopath, rapist, murderer, whatever the fuck else go because this is the clearly the best way to resolve her divorce dispute and surely it will all work out for the best.
One works, the other doesn't.
inb4 you guys spin this into I'm a misogynist or something. give me a break.
The Artisan
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after a whole rerun, here are the things that bothered me most about daredevil (the character)
-He kept Elektra a secret from Foggy. It was revealed that Foggy knew Elektra back when they were undergrads so why keep Foggy in the dark? He deserves to know what's going on - ESPECIALLY because Foggy is his partner in his professional career! smh
-Matt tells Elektra how important his life is to him; why in the fuck did he not set an alarm for the Punisher trial the next morning then?!?! I know it was written that way so that Foggy would have to give the opening statement, but for Matt to be SO SLOPPY as to forget about his job, especially how the show itself was hyping up how important this was to the public "trial of the century" - I thought that was really fucked up. smh
-Many people don't like Karen or didn't like that Matt dated her, I was fine with it, but when they broke up I was really not fine with how quickly he was flirting with Elektra to bounce back. First he tells Elektra how important Karen is to her, then later after she breaks up with him he makes it seem like he was practically emotionally unchanged about it all. smh
-After Elektra kills the Handed kid, Matt flips out, but then in the season finale he starts talking to her about some fantasy of running away & shit...like, wtf man? I thought you understood that this girl wouldn't be good for you in a relationship so what the fuck are you thinking?! smh.
-Matt tells Foggy that he's done apologizing to him for who he is. And I agree with him on that, but he definitely owes Foggy an apology for lying to him. But he didn't apologize, and Foggy just let it slide. I think it's on the writers for that but I didn't like that Matt didn't face a consequence for betraying his best friend's trust again. smh
-Matt tells Elektra how important his life is to him; why in the fuck did he not set an alarm for the Punisher trial the next morning then?!?! I know it was written that way so that Foggy would have to give the opening statement, but for Matt to be SO SLOPPY as to forget about his job, especially how the show itself was hyping up how important this was to the public "trial of the century" - I thought that was really fucked up. smh
-Many people don't like Karen or didn't like that Matt dated her, I was fine with it, but when they broke up I was really not fine with how quickly he was flirting with Elektra to bounce back. First he tells Elektra how important Karen is to her, then later after she breaks up with him he makes it seem like he was practically emotionally unchanged about it all. smh
-After Elektra kills the Handed kid, Matt flips out, but then in the season finale he starts talking to her about some fantasy of running away & shit...like, wtf man? I thought you understood that this girl wouldn't be good for you in a relationship so what the fuck are you thinking?! smh.
-Matt tells Foggy that he's done apologizing to him for who he is. And I agree with him on that, but he definitely owes Foggy an apology for lying to him. But he didn't apologize, and Foggy just let it slide. I think it's on the writers for that but I didn't like that Matt didn't face a consequence for betraying his best friend's trust again. smh
I thought that worked well.
Even after everything Jessica told her, Jeri couldn't bring herself to believe that he was that bad, similar to the way people excuse rapists and manipulative abusive assholes. I mean, that's real life.
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So here you have another theme vs character/plot point idea which has been brought up previously in the thread.
And the theme is good. Its nice to see that theme tackled in a TV show and getting more representation. I genuinely appreciate that. But it just doesn't fit Jeri's character at all. Jeri saw what Hope was going through. Jeri knows JJ isn't lying. And so for Jeri to do this thing that seems incredibly out of character just ruins it for me, despite the ulterior themes being portrayed. You've used a character as a conduit for a theme that doesn't really fit her.
nitekrawlwer
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Strange that there are expectations of rational logical decisions at all times from people on a show filled with alcoholics, drug addicts and people suffering PTSD etc. That's bad writing or so the criticism goes...
If they did act rationally all the time the show would be a pariah for exactly those reasons. Nobody would believe that. Sometimes it's not always the big bad guy's fault things aren't working well for the hero. Sometimes people who have been through trauma invite more of it into their life through making bad decisions if only because they don't know how to act rationally anymore.
I'm really pleased with the quality and variety Marvel and Netflix projects so far and have no reason to expect anything less of the Defenders.
If they did act rationally all the time the show would be a pariah for exactly those reasons. Nobody would believe that. Sometimes it's not always the big bad guy's fault things aren't working well for the hero. Sometimes people who have been through trauma invite more of it into their life through making bad decisions if only because they don't know how to act rationally anymore.
I'm really pleased with the quality and variety Marvel and Netflix projects so far and have no reason to expect anything less of the Defenders.
Dreams-Visions
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Ritter haters can sit and spin
Made me laugh a bit more than it should've.
The Artisan
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luke cage > jessica jones
BlastProcessing
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Why would they kill off the lead from the best thing they've done?
MHWilliams
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I believe they're talking about the comment that kicked all this off and the agreement to that comment.
If you can explain the commentary inherent within, I'm down. As it stands, it seems the thread largely got off on the wrong foot in relation to Jessica Jones.
Luke Cage finished filming already. Iron Fist is in the middle of casting.
Luke Cage has already done some filming - it may have even finished; there's a teaser trailer out already. I don't think Iron Fist has started yet. The plan is/was for all four characters to have their series out prior to the team up, much like the films.
fallengorn
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Luke Cage finished, Iron Fist is starting soon.
Zen_Arcade
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You're probably not going to like Daredevil/Murdock very much as a character overall then. A common theme is him shitting on his friends. He usually comes to his senses, does the right thing, and charms his way back into their hearts. But he's always being selfish and taking advantage of the kindness of people around him.
In the comics, if Matt gets personally involved with anyone, you want to scream at them to run away. Disaster is looming.
Monocle
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What is this trash?
Street level heroes, who wants to be around them?
Zen_Arcade
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Exactly. That's why I like Daredevil in season 2 even more. They're finally getting to him being kind of a piece of shit. Close friends have very negative opinions of him at the end of this season and I'm interested in finding out how his silver tongue is going to win everyone back just to fuck them over again.
Thanks ALL.
Loving all the series so far, can't wait for more.
As for Jessica Jones, I don't get the hate, the worst part of the series was Killgrave.
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If you're responding to me, I've already provided an example where bad decision making was properly executed and one where it wasn't. No one is expecting a show without bad decision making, especially from characters so traumatized as Jessica. But I do expect bad decisions to be made under the pretense and character development borne of good writing, not as an underhanded method of disguising shitty writing.
(if you're not responding to me, sorry about that. Please ignore)
WOAH there. Killgrave was the best part of the show.
DryEyeRelief
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apparently you don't get the love for the show either
Considering most teams have a no kill policy, pretty much no
But he is a background character that eventually crossing paths with other heroes and sometimes in the most unexpected places. It's pretty funny when you consider how The Punisher was in the Spidey cartoon in the 90s haha.
fallengorn
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Yeah he's great. I don't have much against the cast outside of Will. And he was okay. (They could've gotten someone better. I'm hoping Nuke is actually his brother or something.)
Alandrus Sun
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I support this.
I thought it was pretty obvious that the DD S2 was portraying Elektra as like a addictive drug for Matt. She made him sloppy, selfish and self-destructive. All his fuckups make sense given all of that.
Also, gaf is weird in that it's the only place I've seen this level of hatred towards JJ. I don't see it anywhere else on the internet or real life. It's strange
Also, gaf is weird in that it's the only place I've seen this level of hatred towards JJ. I don't see it anywhere else on the internet or real life. It's strange
mariachi507
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Yep. They should just have the characters crossover here and there and scrap the Defenders. Oh well.
IrishNinja
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any news here i good news! not gonna take part in all the fuck/marry/kill or whatever this thread's on, but i will say that as a huge DD fan, i like how this season showed Matt's selfish/asshole side and how reckless he gets around Elektra, just wanting to throw away all he's built. it's great character, and while i absolutely get people hating him right now, it'll really build in the coming seasons.
just so happy to see one of the consistently (well, comparatively) well written characters in comics get some of that carried over
QUOTE=Divvy;200718468]I thought it was pretty obvious that the DD S2 was portraying Elektra as like a addictive drug for Matt. She made him sloppy, selfish and self-destructive. All his fuckups make sense given all of that.[/QUOTE]
exactly this
just so happy to see one of the consistently (well, comparatively) well written characters in comics get some of that carried over
QUOTE=Divvy;200718468]I thought it was pretty obvious that the DD S2 was portraying Elektra as like a addictive drug for Matt. She made him sloppy, selfish and self-destructive. All his fuckups make sense given all of that.[/QUOTE]
exactly this
Agreed. Elektra turned Matt's life upside down.
Let me clarify, His ability was annoying and in light of how dangerous he was they should have killed him a long time ago.
See, I disagree there. What is Jeri's greatest flaw? The one that keeps coming up over and over? The fact that she's arrogant and controlling. She thinks she can manipulate anyone, and think her way to the top of any situation.
With Purple Man, you have her one weakness - her ex-wife, the one thing in the world she CAN'T control, and that is standing in the way of what she wants. She sees his powers of manipulation as something that can be harnesses (which she explicitly mentions multiple times) and never considers that she's not smart enough to control him.
It's a bit cliché, even. It's a pretty traditional "power-hungry person fucks up because they're hungry for power" story.
"I am so smart, fuck you all, you are dumb, I can control it." Then: "Oh no, I was not as smart as I thought, I have lost control of it."
With Purple Man, you have her one weakness - her ex-wife, the one thing in the world she CAN'T control, and that is standing in the way of what she wants. She sees his powers of manipulation as something that can be harnesses (which she explicitly mentions multiple times) and never considers that she's not smart enough to control him.
It's a bit cliché, even. It's a pretty traditional "power-hungry person fucks up because they're hungry for power" story.
"I am so smart, fuck you all, you are dumb, I can control it." Then: "Oh no, I was not as smart as I thought, I have lost control of it."
Is she acting dumb? Sure. Is that out of character? I don't think so.
Or they could have introduced him later.
The Artisan
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captain america kills the shit outta mothafuckers, and he's the captain...Considering most teams have a no kill policy, pretty much no
But he is a background character that eventually crossing paths with other heroes and sometimes in the most unexpected places. It's pretty funny when you consider how The Punisher was in the Spidey cartoon in the 90s haha.
&& yeah, I remember punisher in the 90s show
Oof, I'm with you, even if no one else is. She's awful. Throw Kilgrave and pretty much the rest of the entire cast out with her, too.
Okay this kill thing is getting silly
Ha! Right before my post.
Ninja Scooter
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She's a fictional character. Yes, I hate her character as it was presented. Sue me. Killing off a character in TV sense doesn't mean I want to murder her myself.
The Artisan
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wow, GAF hates jessica jones more than I thought. to each their own. but i always thought the general consensus was that JJ > DD
Nah. It's the opposite.
Bobby Roberts
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Ritter's great. I'm still happy with that casting.
My problems with Jessica Jones are such:
1) The character had a lot of her personality completely stripped from her in the transition from comic to screen, and what was added in return didn't make up for that. In fact, I'm not sure there really was anything added that wasn't already present in the source material in the first place.
2) The show (and this so far has held true for almost every Marvel series) is too long by about 1/3rd. The wheel-spinning that needed to take place to justify the runtime? Didn't justify the runtime.
3) The relationship between Jess and Luke started well, but the development from that point was completely fucking botched. Season 1 ends and I got no sense of any real connection between the two worth holding onto. Luke could never meet Jess again and it wouldn't mean shit, which shouldn't be a possibility I could even consider.
4) While Purple Man was the obvious choice in villain, his implementation got mishandled (and his exit was bullshit), starting with the fact his presence more or less eliminated the possibility of allowing the show to just be a Rockford Files-esque detective show, which would have seriously helped point 1).
So basically, while it did some things very well, and it added some thematic depth previously unexplored to the canon of live-action superhero storytelling, that advance (while admirable and necessary) isn't enough to counter, for me, the fact it kinda fucks up Jessica's character, kinda fucked up Luke's, kinda wasted Kilgrave's and wasted about 5 of the show's 13 hours.
The Artisan
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i'm a part of it then
Jessica Jones is like Walking Dead, it's actually fairly popular but the people that hate it really hate it and will loudly and vocally tell you at any opportunity that the entire show is idiotic.
The premise alone is practically designed to be divisive, too, not helped by the fact that the usual anti-feminist mobs hav poisoned the well.
I think a major problem is that a lot of people were expecting something like Daredevil and they got something with far less action and more character moments. I personally don't care but I can see why people did.
The premise alone is practically designed to be divisive, too, not helped by the fact that the usual anti-feminist mobs hav poisoned the well.
I think a major problem is that a lot of people were expecting something like Daredevil and they got something with far less action and more character moments. I personally don't care but I can see why people did.
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