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I've never gone into the catacombs without the clerics appearing at the firelink beforehand, so I cannot verify this. With Anastacia you mean the Lautrec event? If you've already killed Lautrec at Firelink there's nothing you can do about it anymore. It's not tied to the Patches/clerics event.
For shielded opponents you need to rely on a parry followed by casting a spell instead of a riposte. You will get a damage bonus during their stunned animation. Fighting bosses with this class is actually a lot easier than fighting the regular enemies.
Mr_Appleby
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just passed sen's fortress on NG+, SL25 with 15 Vit, 12 End. Backstabs is the way to go against Snakemen if you can't afford to miss a parry. Get a decent INT scaling weapon if that's the build you are going for, hornet ring if you've done Sif (or just run in, grab it and homeward bone out) and you should have little trouble with them.
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maomaoIYP said:
My mistake, I meant Reah, Vince & Nico are still with Petrus at Firelink shrine. I assume they move into Tomb after you place the Lordvessel, or if you defeat pinwheel?
With their event in Tomb immediately following Patches bit over the pit with the Lantern in, I was concerned they'd be connected... although thinking about it as Patches appeared as usual in Catacombs I probably shouldn't have worried.
In the end though, I did the Hydra in the basin and rescued Dusk in about 10 mins flat so it wasn't that much of a detour... and I get Dusk Crown to stack with Dragoncrest ring for even more damage on my nukes. Another piece I completely forgot about on my first char.
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That's pretty damn impressive. What weapons/armour did you use on your first cycle? I've been sticking with non-scaling (Drake until I killed the mimic for lightning spear, hopefully swap that out for Demon's spear if it drops in Anor) and as for armour I'm slacking with unupgraded Crimson (for the look, lol). This isn't a serious build though. Funny thing was I was doing really well even with this slack gear up until Sen's...
I wish they would just remove it and make the flip animation the default for <25%.
And they should remove Lautrec's ring while they're at it, or at least nerf it (split it into health and stamina rings, maybe, or reduce its bonus to 10%).
You're correct about the catacombs triggers, defeating Pinwheel will trigger both the Cleric party and Patches I believe.
And yeah, I was playing through the game around SL7, and Sen's is such a huge jump in difficulty.
Just take Vitality to 50 and Endurance to 40, it looks like you are all melee anyway, you could also use bows very well too with those stats, Longbow or Black Bow of Pharis. I wouldn't bother with Intelligence or Faith because those stats are so far behind, and you would also need to level Attunement to get any use out of it. Just level your Endurance and Vitality and complete that Warrior type build you got going. Going all melee, with bows as a supplement is an excellent way to play this game anyway. Once you get those leveled, just focus on weapons that you like and upgrade all kinds of em, with those stats, you can use nearly any weapon, and 2 hand most of the big ones.
Gave the large ember to the Smith and nothing looks good. I can +6 the Uchi or +6 the Halberd, make them raw or something else. My Silver Straight +5 looks better to me still.
What armor should I go after instead of Ornsetin's? Is there anything really worth upgrading? Also, black or silver shield?
What armor should I go after instead of Ornsetin's? Is there anything really worth upgrading? Also, black or silver shield?
Those weapons will get better than the Silver Straight sword around +11-+15. For that you need the Very Large Ember, don't take them to Raw, it's not worth the short term gains. Most medium armors are better than Ornstein's when upgraded. Paladin, Elite Knight, or a mix or Light armor Coats upgraded (Wanderer, Tattered Cloth, Dingy) with heavy armor Gauntlets, Leggings, and Helm (Havel's, Giant's upgraded, Black Iron upgraded) will also be better than just Ornstein Armor.
Black Shield provides extremely high fire defense, while the Silver has slightly better stability and more balanced defenses, so if you want to block a ton of fire, upgrade Black Shield.
I did like the look of Elite..what about the raw cheevo/trophy?
Sure go ahead and make a Raw weapon for a cheevo, just don't waste a good one like the Uchi or Halberd, upgrade a Longsword or something
Wtf.
I invade someone in Dark Root. Walk up behind them and I get backstabbed?
Invaded again and this time I got off the stab. Is becoming indicted a bad thing?
Third time I killed them as I die. Weird. I think it counted.
Fourth time and I get behind them and they swing air and connect. Booty.
I invade someone in Dark Root. Walk up behind them and I get backstabbed?
Invaded again and this time I got off the stab. Is becoming indicted a bad thing?
Third time I killed them as I die. Weird. I think it counted.
Fourth time and I get behind them and they swing air and connect. Booty.
Welcome to Dark Souls PvP
Was mentioned a while back - if you just want the cheevo/trophy you can reuse your slab by upgrading to +5 and waiting for the cheev/trophy to pop without backing out of the menus. Then quit to XMB/dash and reload - weapon will be back to +4 and you'll have your slab back to use for something else.
Mr_Appleby
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armour i used the black leather set upgraded to +9, which I'm still wearing. various helmets mainly for aesthetics, used sunlight maggot for a long time and switched to royal helm now. Bought a scimitar off the burg vendor, upgraded that and used it to kill quelaag, then turned it into the furysword which I used for ages, until I replaced it with a lightning Iato. I still use that occasionally but mainly a Chaos Great Scythe +5. Weapons that scale with humanity are just great for low builds. i'm (rather stupidly) going for the platinum on this character, so we'll see if my resolve to stay at 25 survives four kings
Holy shit. Someone dropped 140k souls that I invaded?!
What, what? This dude runs at me backwards and backstabs me! lulz.
Just now, said forget getting 2 timed and jumped off the ledge. Landed next to the water and didn't die. Wish I would have stayed there to troll..instead I accidentally rolled off and died.
What, what? This dude runs at me backwards and backstabs me! lulz.
Just now, said forget getting 2 timed and jumped off the ledge. Landed next to the water and didn't die. Wish I would have stayed there to troll..instead I accidentally rolled off and died.
armour i used the black leather set upgraded to +9, which I'm still wearing. various helmets mainly for aesthetics, used sunlight maggot for a long time and switched to royal helm now. Bought a scimitar off the burg vendor, upgraded that and used it to kill quelaag, then turned it into the furysword which I used for ages, until I replaced it with a lightning Iato. I still use that occasionally but mainly a Chaos Great Scythe +5. Weapons that scale with humanity are just great for low builds. i'm (rather stupidly) going for the platinum on this character, so we'll see if my resolve to stay at 25 survives four kings
4K is a lot of trouble in NG+, I sunbro it up a lot in New Londo Ruins right now since there is where I get the most takers at SL 135. If you're going to have problems anywhere it's probably here. Regular enemies in Duke's are pretty damn awful as well.
I'm a Four Kings specialist, I've helped so many people that would have had no chance beating them, Demon Great Machete +15 Enchanted with Sunlight or Darkmoon Blade all up in their grill will tear up 4 Kings. The other important part is to consume a Green moss for stamina regen so you can just keep going to town on them. This is why I never use Transient Curse when I am going for 4 kings or plan on helping others, you can't use a moss when you have another buff on, and Transient Curse lasts forever.
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yeah i'd believe that. I'm working on solo'ing S&O at the moment and it's hair-pulling time. 5~6 different ways to get one-shot keeps me on my toes. thought about summoning but doesn't seem to be many SL25 in anor londo at the moment. I helped one guy and killed an invader but I haven't seen any summon signs myself. four kings is going to be wild.
interesting fact i have learnt today: touching super-smough's leg during his charge does more damage than getting hit by the hammer. blocking or otherwise.
that would be awesome if i didn't have a str of 15, dex 21, mag 11 and fai 8
transient curse lasts about 2 minutes i believe, you can wait it out but it's boring. i'm hoping to just dodge like a bitch, the scythe mentioned above is my best weapon atm, i didn't have that last time so hoping it makes a bit of a difference.I use the Great Club +15 and CMW so it's pretty similar. I'd say the most important part is not to block at all. Two hand and dodge to victory. They can still be assholes though and decide they want to spam the AOE attack and grab all day long.
With the BB glitch so popular, I've been enjoying these past few evenings what I call the 3-hit Game.
In the Burg, at SL10/15, lots of duels through the red stone (calling, or being called) or with well behaved invaders.
Pretty much everybody around that SL has ~600HP. And most of the people I've fought with weren't carrying highly upgraded weapons or fighting with an ascended pyro glove, but using either base weapons with an enchant, or slightly upgraded weapons.
Enough for the fights to be a 3-hit game of back and forth. And this makes for some nice fights, because people are not afraid to risk taking a swing - if you remain open for a bit, the game's not over with a 1-hit kill, but you got a chance of winning still.
And it's all nice and dandy because judging by the equipment of some (DWGR, late game armors), they weren't lacking in the heavy damage weapons department.
Even got into a game where the host was standing atop the small tower right in front of the Burg bonfire (where the crossbow skeleton is usually) and was summoning people and waiting for invaders, which then proceeded to fight in the small square right across from the 2 spear-and-shield guys atop the Undead Merchant.
Was a bit like a dueling square, winner remains standing and takes on the next one, healing with Humanity in between fights, while the host keeps on summoning people.
When I got summoned there, there were 2 guys fighting with the host watching. I stood in line and took on the winner. Died, but was a good duel and was fun to see that thing going on. Didn't manage to reconnect to those guys after though.
edit: This is not to say that there aren't stupid ones as well. Got summoned through the red stone only for the host to swing a double handed R2 Zwei at me as I was appearing in his game... Or a few people with lighting / fire weapons, 1-hit killing.
In the Burg, at SL10/15, lots of duels through the red stone (calling, or being called) or with well behaved invaders.
Pretty much everybody around that SL has ~600HP. And most of the people I've fought with weren't carrying highly upgraded weapons or fighting with an ascended pyro glove, but using either base weapons with an enchant, or slightly upgraded weapons.
Enough for the fights to be a 3-hit game of back and forth. And this makes for some nice fights, because people are not afraid to risk taking a swing - if you remain open for a bit, the game's not over with a 1-hit kill, but you got a chance of winning still.
And it's all nice and dandy because judging by the equipment of some (DWGR, late game armors), they weren't lacking in the heavy damage weapons department.
Even got into a game where the host was standing atop the small tower right in front of the Burg bonfire (where the crossbow skeleton is usually) and was summoning people and waiting for invaders, which then proceeded to fight in the small square right across from the 2 spear-and-shield guys atop the Undead Merchant.
Was a bit like a dueling square, winner remains standing and takes on the next one, healing with Humanity in between fights, while the host keeps on summoning people.
When I got summoned there, there were 2 guys fighting with the host watching. I stood in line and took on the winner. Died, but was a good duel and was fun to see that thing going on. Didn't manage to reconnect to those guys after though.
edit: This is not to say that there aren't stupid ones as well. Got summoned through the red stone only for the host to swing a double handed R2 Zwei at me as I was appearing in his game... Or a few people with lighting / fire weapons, 1-hit killing.
Mr_Appleby
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well, NG+ S&O are down, solo. that was pretty mad, i tried heaps of tactics, what worked in the end was
it was quite a long fight in the end, but happy to say I did it.
I took a break in the middle of numerous failures and ran another character (SL6 cleric) down to blighttown to get the butcher's knife. Turns out my un-upgraded reinforced club did major damage to Mildred. hit her in the back (non-crit) and you can stunlock while you build up bleed
these exact reasons i always enjoyed low-level pvp in Demon's Souls. I pimped myself out a bit with miralda's armour and enchanted iron fists, and attempted to punch people to death. given the range on those things they stood a damn good chance. but crap if headbutting someone into a stun and pulling a super-uppercut wasn't fun.
using great combustion to take out Ornstein, they lead super-smough on a merry dance around the columns, only going for a swipe with my scythe after his overhead swing. sounds easy but soooo many 1-hit deaths....
I took a break in the middle of numerous failures and ran another character (SL6 cleric) down to blighttown to get the butcher's knife. Turns out my un-upgraded reinforced club did major damage to Mildred. hit her in the back (non-crit) and you can stunlock while you build up bleed
these exact reasons i always enjoyed low-level pvp in Demon's Souls. I pimped myself out a bit with miralda's armour and enchanted iron fists, and attempted to punch people to death. given the range on those things they stood a damn good chance. but crap if headbutting someone into a stun and pulling a super-uppercut wasn't fun.
You need only large titanite to upgrade a raw weapon.
Audioboxer
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Looking to start a new game and do a str/faith build. How would you guys recommend dishing out the level stats?
Wanting to wield the BKGA and try the Dragon Slayer bow.
Cheers
Edit: actually this looks like a fun build http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/Knight+Solaire+build
Wanting to wield the BKGA and try the Dragon Slayer bow.
Cheers
Edit: actually this looks like a fun build
http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/Knight+Solaire+buildI was unaware of the existence of the Ring of Favor and Whatever until reading about it in this thread, and somehow I missed the guy while exploring Undead Parish, so I headed back to Firelink Shrine. I tried to kick him off the cliff, but swung my sword instead, and inadvertently initiated a fight.
He stomped me, but I just respawned directly above and went at it again. I wound up on the stairs below with him above me, so neither of us could swing our swords effectively, and my spear wasn't much good either since he was above me.
Then he inexplicably did a huge flying backflip and went sailing off the cliff. Saved and reloaded, and there was his drop where he had been initially sitting. At least I kinda won...
So far I've beat the Taurus and Capra demons and the Bell Gargoyles. Just freed the pyromancer NPC in the Depths. I'm really digging the game, I just wish so many aspects of it weren't quite so obtuse.
He stomped me, but I just respawned directly above and went at it again. I wound up on the stairs below with him above me, so neither of us could swing our swords effectively, and my spear wasn't much good either since he was above me.
Then he inexplicably did a huge flying backflip and went sailing off the cliff. Saved and reloaded, and there was his drop where he had been initially sitting. At least I kinda won...
So far I've beat the Taurus and Capra demons and the Bell Gargoyles. Just freed the pyromancer NPC in the Depths. I'm really digging the game, I just wish so many aspects of it weren't quite so obtuse.
So it happened I get summoned in the Burg through the red stone. Host is there, keeping his distance. Not far off, a red phantom. Just as I spawn, an invader comes in. After all the helloholakonnichiwa and bows and waves and politeness we all look at each other for a moment, strip our armors down and proceed to fist fight.
Shitty damage, but was fun going for parries and backstabs in the free-for-all rolling around the Burg.
Shitty damage, but was fun going for parries and backstabs in the free-for-all rolling around the Burg.
Nostalgic Nightmare
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Re-rolled a Sorc.
I'm about SL 19 but all I have is soul arrow. I bought the talisman from the first bell guy hoping that I can use some minor miracles with it.
I have my faith to about 14 for that, but I'm dumping the rest into INT and END with some sprinkles into VIT.
Can anyone recommend me a sword that will scale with INT well that I can get earlier on?
At this point I'm using a longsword +4
I really wanted to use more magic, but without an AOE yet that's just not going to happen much.
I believe I need to unlock that guy from behind the door on the way to capra demon, and I'm actually on that boss now, but I can't remember where that key was, or the one that opens the door from the burg to Havel.
I'm about SL 19 but all I have is soul arrow. I bought the talisman from the first bell guy hoping that I can use some minor miracles with it.
I have my faith to about 14 for that, but I'm dumping the rest into INT and END with some sprinkles into VIT.
Can anyone recommend me a sword that will scale with INT well that I can get earlier on?
At this point I'm using a longsword +4
I really wanted to use more magic, but without an AOE yet that's just not going to happen much.
I believe I need to unlock that guy from behind the door on the way to capra demon, and I'm actually on that boss now, but I can't remember where that key was, or the one that opens the door from the burg to Havel.
The guy by the Capra Demon requires the Undead Residence Key, which you get from the merchant by the central Burg bonfire.
Don't know where you get the key for Havel, I only know that I don't think it's in the Parish or Burg.
You can get the key for Havel after beating the Moonlight Butterfly. But you can also buy the master key...
If you want to cast Miracles on an Intelligence build, use Velka's catalyst, it scales with Intelligence, but casts Miracles. Otherwise just use Thorolund Talisman.
Havel is in the Watchtower Basement, and like others have said, you get that key from killing the Moonlight Butterfly then grabbing the Divine Ember and Key on top of the tower it was guarding, or Master Key of course.
well, NG+ S&O are down, solo. that was pretty mad, i tried heaps of tactics, what worked in the end wasit was quite a long fight in the end, but happy to say I did it.using great combustion to take out Ornstein, they lead super-smough on a merry dance around the columns, only going for a swipe with my scythe after his overhead swing. sounds easy but soooo many 1-hit deaths....
I took a break in the middle of numerous failures and ran another character (SL6 cleric) down to blighttown to get the butcher's knife. Turns out my un-upgraded reinforced club did major damage to Mildred. hit her in the back (non-crit) and you can stunlock while you build up bleed
these exact reasons i always enjoyed low-level pvp in Demon's Souls. I pimped myself out a bit with miralda's armour and enchanted iron fists, and attempted to punch people to death. given the range on those things they stood a damn good chance. but crap if headbutting someone into a stun and pulling a super-uppercut wasn't fun.
I get the chaos part but why a scythe? Is it the blood loss or something else?
edit: I ran across a Beatrice outfit with the scythe. It does look pretty good.
Grinchy
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Has anyone else noticed that when you go to the PSN site and look at your trophies, Dark Souls isn't listed? Or is that just me?
It has never appeared on that list for me. I was gonna use that to mark off which trophies I already have, which is the only reason I noticed.
It has never appeared on that list for me. I was gonna use that to mark off which trophies I already have, which is the only reason I noticed.
Huh? MW3 doesn't show up either. I wonder if something changed recently so newer games don't show up.
Mr_Appleby
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solid damage, long reach and wide sweeps, fits my stats. and yeah it looks pretty rad
i've still got a fire trophy to go, have a fire barbed whip at +9 but it's not that awesome, so I might try a Lucerne or regular Scythe which look like they will give me a few points more damage than the GS, as long as the move-set is nice. Will get two red slabs this run so I can experiment a bit.Certainly seems to be the most popular build. You can't really blame them, but I don't use this setup because it's really overused. I feel much better about my wins in PVP when I'm NOT using a pinwheel mask and DWGR.
Same, I overuse the DWGR as well, I like what it does for duels and player movement, but it has really stifled builds and the balance between high mobility/low poise and high poise/low mobility is totally broken with the DWGR characteristics. It also has more invulnerability frames which lead to more bloodshots (hits not registering). I am best with heavy weapons in PvP and that is what I enjoy most, so I kind of have to use it if I want a chance against most good players. I don't use Pinwheel masks though, those things are just OP and far too common.
The DWGR is also required for how much backstab fishing there is in this game, if you are slow rolling or even medium rolling, you'll just get backstabbed all day, and even at medium to slow normal movement, just strafing and blocking, quicker players can easily maneuver behind you and manipulate the lock-on to get those patented warp stabs. So without the DWGR, you're pretty much screwed if you are using heavy weapons.
I kind of wish the entire backstab mechanic was eliminated from PvP, the netcode is just not good enough to handle that kind of player interaction, extremely high damage while controlling a players animation that looks like total lag most of the time is just frustrating. Maybe if there was just a small damage bonus for hits to the back, it would be better.
The DWGR is also required for how much backstab fishing there is in this game, if you are slow rolling or even medium rolling, you'll just get backstabbed all day, and even at medium to slow normal movement, just strafing and blocking, quicker players can easily maneuver behind you and manipulate the lock-on to get those patented warp stabs. So without the DWGR, you're pretty much screwed if you are using heavy weapons.
I kind of wish the entire backstab mechanic was eliminated from PvP, the netcode is just not good enough to handle that kind of player interaction, extremely high damage while controlling a players animation that looks like total lag most of the time is just frustrating. Maybe if there was just a small damage bonus for hits to the back, it would be better.
Well, I can have like 56 poise if I use DWGR/father mask (I'm using FAP so I can't use havel's as well), and my setup without those, and with havels, has 88 poise. I definitely do better with less poise/added mobility (although 56 is usually plenty anyway). Maybe I'll roll with ~ 36 poise, no father mask, DWGR. I dislike the masks more than DWGR. DWGR is fun to use and that movement/roll is obviously preferred. I don't like the way the masks look.
good to know, looks like i need mask of the father for dwgr to be viable for me on this build. i'd probably do better with that setup, but i think i'll stick with regular roll/high poise/armor that I like. Like I said i feel better about my wins if i didn't use the combo of mask of father/dwgr, although dwgr is probably worth my while to better avoid laggy ass backstabs.
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