newdayrocks
Member
Backed this earlier today, and had no idea it was a GAFfer's.
Darkest Dungeon | The Road of dungeon crawlers, on Kickstarter, GAFfer-made
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HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
My intention wasn't to push only for hype in this thread but to point out that the developers are actively considering the feedbacks they have received;
there have been already adjustments, even before the campaign launched, here and there based on the fans' reactions. I reckon the exclusive class is
a more delicate situation to "defuse" they're aware of it.
But, yeah, I see your point, it's a topic that has been firing up here and in the KS comments.
On topic, we're $5k away from the next stretch goal ($150k). I presume that it will be a somewhat safe sail to the $200k goal, at least. Which is great
It also seems that tomorrow, Friday, we'll get a feature of the existing confirmed characters.
I see this campaign easily hitting $1m, maybe $1.2m.
Update #3 is available.
I believe $1m would be more damaging than anything.
I don't think it will make it past $450'000. I think it will lose momentum around $200-250k and have a spike on the last days.
I believe $1m would be more damaging than anything.
Uncle0wnage
Member
That's unfortunate, guess I won't be backing this after all.
Their response to the exclusive class is reasonable. They made a mistake and recognized it, the angry people in the comments shouldn't be so butthurt about the exclusive class. If they want to have this exclusive class, they should just pay for it. It's not like the devs added it afterwards. If they don't want to pay the set price for a product ("game with a half class more") they don't get it.
Uncle0wnage
Member
If anything, they should have compromised, and let backers from lower levels pledge an additional amount to get the extra class tacked on to their pledge level, like what was done with Armikrog. That way the class is still exclusive to kickstarter, they get more funding, and no one has any real reason to complain.
But it isn't reasonable for people to not want to support the game because this is a continuation of disgusting practices done by large publishers, the sort of things that people go to Kickstarter to avoid? I was ready to back this game at a high tier until I got to the exclusive class, when I closed the window and decided this is no longer a project I want to support. It went from "This looks amazing, I want to help this happen" to a game that I'll get when it hits a deep discount some time down the line.
More_Badass
Member
That's seem like...kind of an excessive response. So because of something like that, all excitement, interest about the game, uniqueness of the gameplay, visuals, and mechanics...just gone? Because some people will have access to a slight variant of an existing class, a variant that they paid for?
I'm okay with it. I don't like to generalize so I won't put Red Hook Studios in the same pot as the large publishers. I treat them as different scenarios because they're different realities.
About the practice: my justification is that they made it in good faith. You could say it's pretty poor because it's based on trust, which is always very fleeting,
but the developers need(ed) the money to fund the game and not to hit millions of sales or milk a fanbase. They have explained why they choosed, in hindsight poorly they admitted, to do so.
Of course, the KS had a huge success that skyrocketed the amount of gathered money to 200% of the base goal. The game has been funded immediately so it's extra money;
extra money that will probably make the game a full or better experience, instead of a base experience.
So I'm okay with it, we get a better game out of it. Everybody wins.
There will be players that won't have access to 1 of the, at this point,15 character classes? I believe they will enjoy Darkest Dungeon anyway,
with all the features the backers will unlock to make the title a better or, perhaps, a full experience.
I understand that there're people that are against the practice; I'm not completely certain about the polarisation of this argument in the case of this context.
I mean, the practice has a negative connotation because large publishers exploit it to to have a pre-order content that is something cut from the core content.
The exclusive class is meant to be a reward that is going to be exclusively paid to be produced by the adventurer / patron / etc. pledgers. It's not even detailed as of now, it's just a label.
It's not even the argument "it's something cut from the core content" or "they're milking their fans!".
Nevertheless, there're people that are against this business practice so they'll apply their principle in an almost blind way to everything?
Ok, I'm just provoking now. To put things back in context, it's a KS campaign. Support if you feel like it, do not if you aren't convinced. Easy peasy.
About the practice: my justification is that they made it in good faith. You could say it's pretty poor because it's based on trust, which is always very fleeting,
but the developers need(ed) the money to fund the game and not to hit millions of sales or milk a fanbase. They have explained why they choosed, in hindsight poorly they admitted, to do so.
Of course, the KS had a huge success that skyrocketed the amount of gathered money to 200% of the base goal. The game has been funded immediately so it's extra money;
extra money that will probably make the game a full or better experience, instead of a base experience.
So I'm okay with it, we get a better game out of it. Everybody wins.
There will be players that won't have access to 1 of the, at this point,15 character classes? I believe they will enjoy Darkest Dungeon anyway,
with all the features the backers will unlock to make the title a better or, perhaps, a full experience.
I understand that there're people that are against the practice; I'm not completely certain about the polarisation of this argument in the case of this context.
I mean, the practice has a negative connotation because large publishers exploit it to to have a pre-order content that is something cut from the core content.
The exclusive class is meant to be a reward that is going to be exclusively paid to be produced by the adventurer / patron / etc. pledgers. It's not even detailed as of now, it's just a label.
It's not even the argument "it's something cut from the core content" or "they're milking their fans!".
Nevertheless, there're people that are against this business practice so they'll apply their principle in an almost blind way to everything?
Ok, I'm just provoking now. To put things back in context, it's a KS campaign. Support if you feel like it, do not if you aren't convinced. Easy peasy.
Lemon squeezy.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
People go to Kickstarter to get funded. Unfortunately, exclusives have always been one of those way to get funded, KS or publisher.
Yes, because of that. Because I don't want to support that sort of business and I won't. There are plenty of great games out there, I don't have to play every one that looks interesting, and I damned sure don't have to buy the ones that are continuing business practices I feel are terrible for gaming. They're asking me to support what they are doing before a product exists by creating a Kickstarter, and my answer is firmly "No" when they lock away gameplay content to a preorder.
To be entirely honest, this is worse than the big publisher examples. I can't think of a single time that a large release game had gameplay relevant pre-order DLC that was impossible to buy after release.
AngmarsKing701
Member
Really like the art style. The trailers helped sell me on it. Given I'm 50+ games deep in my Steam backlog, I'll wait for it to hit there and go on sale.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Nah, I firmly believe it will blow through every stretch goal.
Again, you're projecting the significance of the exclusive class.
From the update:
"The class was conceived as a cool variant on an existing archetype and something that backers could have a voice in selecting."
To me, that just sounds like it's a variant on a pre-existing class. If that is the case, could they have explained better? Yes. But hardly game changing.
Again, you're projecting the significance of the exclusive class.
From the update:
"The class was conceived as a cool variant on an existing archetype and something that backers could have a voice in selecting."
To me, that just sounds like it's a variant on a pre-existing class. If that is the case, could they have explained better? Yes. But hardly game changing.
It's gameplay content that's locked away to preorders. That is all the significance that I need to determine that it's not something I have any interest in supporting. I'm not saying you need to retract your pledge, or suggesting that anybody else doesn't back it for this reason. This is why I'm not backing it, and that will not change.
Comfort Jones
Banned
Yeah I can appreciate their response but I'm still iffy on backing the game. Guess I'll think about it for a while.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
While I can understand your concern - no, really, I get it - it's not a pre-order.
Since you're here and understanding anyway, I do want to say that I am glad you're keeping your word on it. I'm not backing the game but it still looks amazing and hope it's a huge success in development and once it gets released. As silly as it may sound to some people though, I refuse to be part of a statistic that says Kickstarters that include these sort of bonuses are X% more likely to be successful. Too many people complain about everything they hate in gaming today and do nothing about it. Glad you realize it's nothing personal.
So are we going to learn about the 8 major afflictions? Also I'd be interested to know how many ways characters might have to cope. So far we have heard about carousing (possibly broken down into hitting the bottle and I assume sex would be another), praying or religious meditation, and just resting and time. Are these things that will always work and do they have a chance of failing and maybe causing then to despair more? And are those just examples you are telling people about right now and there is more variety?
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
From what they've said so far, it sounds like tomorrow's class update is going to be pretty in-depth.
Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
Just fantastic art design! This could be the first game I ever back on ks. Just looks absolutely gorgeous...
Can't wait to see the deep down dark monster design!
Can't wait to see the deep down dark monster design!
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Tonight?
I'm watching right now.
I'm watching right now.
Update #4 is available.
"Why so serious?" it's easy with all probability it is the Jester.
Extra copies of the game can be purchased for $15 (game only) or $20 (includes early access).
Currently we have the following heroes confirmed for the game:
Reinforcements have arrived!
- Plague Doctor
[*] Crusader
[*] Vestal
[*] Highwayman
[*] Bounty Hunter
[*] Leper
[*] CLASS REVEAL on GAMETRAILERS.COM - coming within the next day!- Mystery Class - HINT: "Why so serious?"
- Mystery Class - ???
- Mystery Class - HINT: He's worth his weight
- Mystery Class - ???
- Lord Tier Class Design - Even we don't know yet!
- Houndmaster ($90k Stretch Goal)!
...and more are on the way!
- Stretch Goal 175k Hero #1
[*]Stretch Goal 175k Hero #2
"Why so serious?" it's easy with all probability it is the Jester.
Darkest Dungeon - Class breakdown @ Gametrailers
Learn about the adventuring types revealed so far and see the debut of a fearsome new warrior. (2:01)
New class reveal: the Hellion (berserker archetype)!
Learn about the adventuring types revealed so far and see the debut of a fearsome new warrior. (2:01)
New class reveal: the Hellion (berserker archetype)!
More_Badass
Member
They're also looking for people who can translate and subtitle their trailers
Other stuff
Excited about the just announced Occultist. I have the impression we have too many melee fighters (Crusader, Leper, Bounty-Hunter, now the Hellion and Man-at-Arms too)
and not even a dedicated ranged specialist... I'm aware the Highwayman has a pistol but, he's not really a ranger/sniper archetype character.
and not even a dedicated ranged specialist... I'm aware the Highwayman has a pistol but, he's not really a ranger/sniper archetype character.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Can't wait for the custom class reveal.
I'm postive there will be an archer/ranger and an arbalist/crossbowman. I also wouldnt be surprised to see some sort of chemist who throws vials or poisons around.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
That would be the Plague Doctor. She apparently has sick bombs.
Nice and brief interview by cliQuist Into Darkest Dungeon with Chris Bourassa.
Herbspiceguy
Member
I like the concept and art, but I'm not convinced the gameplay will deliver. Have they made an RPG before?
Read the staff list on the kickstarter page
More_Badass
Member
That Jester design! Love the Darksiders 2-style mask, and the gritty take on the character
Night_Trekker
Member
Hmm, I like the art style. Reminds me of a more muted version of The Dark Spire. Kinda.
Update #7 is out.
$200k Stretch Goal: New Dungeon Unlocked! THE COVE
Expect a challenging, sickening, and wet dungeon environment filled with blasphemous rituals to aquatic Gods.
Your heroes will never look at the ocean the same way again..
You did this to yourself...
- New environment--all new art and setting!
- More monsters--hideous fishy things with obsidian eyes, grasping appendages, etc.
- More curios--mysterious jade carvings, glowing lichens, etc.
- More treasures--idols of submerged gods, fantastically rare gems, etc.
- YOU MADE THIS HAPPEN! Your support is making Darkest Dungeon achieve its potential!
And feast your eyes on the finished Jester:
Our very own Plague Doctor has been making the rounds!
In fact, she's made it over to "Treachery in Beatdown City"
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
I expect many Lovecraftian things from that.
I wish I had enough extra money lying around to create a monster.
I wish I had enough extra money lying around to create a monster.