HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
This is GAF's Cain and Abel, right here.
Darkest Dungeon | The Road of dungeon crawlers, on Kickstarter, GAFfer-made
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Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Could you stop now? Complaining about people critiquing the game...hell its not even the game, its a kickstarter reward.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Um, it's a joke, guys.
andromeduck
Member
IDK, I'm targeting my game for Ubuntu 12.04 for compatibility but if you need the higher OGL stuff 3.0+ only works with intel GPU's with Mesa 10+ which is drops in the 14.04 LTS
As promised yesterday, here's my article.
http://it.ign.com/rubrica/11942/kickstart-this-darkest-dungeon
And soon they'll get my Euros as well!
http://it.ign.com/rubrica/11942/kickstart-this-darkest-dungeon
And soon they'll get my Euros as well!
Well, they have specifically asked the backers about what they preferred between those two stretch goals. I think Town Events are more important for the game than Color Customization and I hope to see them in the final game.
Regarding the exclusive class for some of the backers, there's this comment from one of the devs that's informative about what it actually is :
Tyler Sigman said:
RPS has a short article up, Emotional Baggage Handler: Darkest Dungeon!
Messofanego
Banned
We hurt the ones we love most.
Its a new character class in a turn-based RPG, it is not insane to assume that it will be more than a color swap that will be altering the game balance in some way and in a game in which characterization is apparently a big deal it also means new story opportunities. Ironically in this case the devs cant win in my eyes: Make it a colors swap and the $49 people will bitch at you for not delivering a fundamental change, make it a lot different and the lower tier guys will could share the same complains I have.
"Lesser version", "game-changing class", "how the game is played" look rather heavy assumptions considering we don't even know the details of the mechanics and rewards.
But let's not get into semantics, because that's not the point here.
I can answer the issue with what you call low-tier people, you miss the context: at the beginning there wasn't such tier.
The lowest one was WANDERER and you can see it gives you access to the development pools and also Early Access on Steam.
What happened is that the developers received feedback that there were people willing to support the project but were just interested in the final product,
the game, and didn't want or had no time/interest to be involved with the development of the game they donated. Thus, NOMAD was created.
One more option for potential backers because the fans requested it. Don't be so negative
Once again, they are the ones that are pitching the different classes as this very unique archetypes with very different set of skills that can complement or screw each other with a big focus on reactivity, its not my fault that they are so capable at it that I believe the new class will offer similar depth. lol
And I was not aware of the new tier, its good that they are willing to listen to their customers and do some lateral thinking, its just that its contradicted by limiting the ability of people to be heard. But then again, this guys have a clearly defined vision of what the game is and whatever poll they throw its probably gonna be some unimportant crap to give people the illusion of control, like that obviously one-sided poll to choose whether Torment is gonna be real time or not.
YOU ARE TEARING ME APART, LISA.
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
Well, having pledged at the adventurer level, I'd sure as Hell hope it was more than just a skin! When I pledged over double what it would cost to just get the base game (in the hopes that the project would be funded and reach some stretch goals, of course), I did so because of the perception of receiving an additional reward. If others wish to receive that reward, there's nothing stopping them from contributing more.
Think of it as you would think for any purchase--if you spend more, you normally expect to get more quantity or quality out of your purchase.
I think that the people bemoaning tiered Kickstarter rewards are completely missing the point.
More on topic, I am thrilled that this game has met and surpassed its goal so quickly! Keep up the good work, but make sure you don't promise any stretch goals that will dilute your vision or cause game delays
Andy the cook
Neo Member
Has the developer said anything about a vita version?
Nothing else but PC/Mac for now.
This is, of course, your personal view on the matter. Don't pass it as a fact please.
You're making too many assumptions when a.) the KS ist just 48h old; b.) the developers have proved to be listening and adjusting according to some of the feedback they received; c.) we don't have all the details.
It is not respectful for those who back the KS and the team behind it to call unimportant crap and illusion of control the involvement of the community in part of the development process.
On topic, we're $3k away from unlocking the next stretch goal!
More_Badass
Member
Have you seen the development polls in the Door Kickers forums? The devs provide a poll of features we're most interested in, and then we vote, and that's what worked for the next alpha among other additions. And we're not talking like what color outfits we prefer: improved mission editor or new trooper class, more stealth options or body armor, how snake cameras should operate, etc.
So to say development polls only provide an illusion of control, when they have proven capable of driving development and giving the community a hand in the process, seems pretty ignorant
And for specifically, the devs have already proven to be open to feedback because they added the Nomad tier based on pre-launch suggestions and are asking backers about the stretch goal structure
Maybe, it is unclear at this time. They have interest in Linux, tablet and 3DS but nothing has been confirmed and there're no stretch goals dedicated to them.
Meanwhile the Darkest Dungeon KS reached $125,000, unlocking the third stretch goal – Multiple random Boss variants in each Dungeon!
The next two stretch goals will add some meaty features.
Update #2 is on its way and will be posted "after lunch".
A lot of salt in this thread. It shouldn't surprise me, but it still does.
A lot of people don't seem to understand that sometimes Kickstarters can experience catastrophic success. They raise SO MUCH money and go so Stretch Goal crazy that the developers are now on the hook to produce a game that is double or triple the original size and scope they had originally intended.
While the money certainly helps, 4x the money does not translate one-to-one into 4x the development resources.
It can be really hard to hit a stretch goal to unlock, say, a Player Housing system, and then suddenly be on the hook to deliver that feature, within the same timetable you originally committed to.
You can use the funds directly to produce art assets and a new domestic music track... stuff like that. And maybe even some systems programming support. But what about design? If you had scoped out a short, 12-month project, where is the design time for all these features going to come from? They're most likely far less developed than the game's core features, which makes complete sense.
Suddenly, EVEN WITH 2x the funds, your 12-month project has to be an 18-month project, at least. And suddenly a lot of that extra money you raised that you hoped to spend on contractors for art assets or whatever now has to go to paying your core group of devs for 50% longer than you intended.
Starting to get it?
Stretch goals are, in my opinion, often more harmful to Kickstarters than helpful. If you scoped our a reasonably-sized game, to be developed within a reasonably-sized timeframe, more money doesn't allow you to suddenly make that much more game in the same amount of time. And finished products aren't always better for having a bunch of cool-sounding, but ultimately unnecessary, side-systems tacked on.
ANYWAY, the point of this ranty post is that I think color customization is a perfect stretch goal. It isnt exciting enough to bring in $$ - I get that - but it's exactly the sort of easily-achieveable, quality-of-life improvements a stretch goal should be, in my opinion.
A lot of people don't seem to understand that sometimes Kickstarters can experience catastrophic success. They raise SO MUCH money and go so Stretch Goal crazy that the developers are now on the hook to produce a game that is double or triple the original size and scope they had originally intended.
While the money certainly helps, 4x the money does not translate one-to-one into 4x the development resources.
It can be really hard to hit a stretch goal to unlock, say, a Player Housing system, and then suddenly be on the hook to deliver that feature, within the same timetable you originally committed to.
You can use the funds directly to produce art assets and a new domestic music track... stuff like that. And maybe even some systems programming support. But what about design? If you had scoped out a short, 12-month project, where is the design time for all these features going to come from? They're most likely far less developed than the game's core features, which makes complete sense.
Suddenly, EVEN WITH 2x the funds, your 12-month project has to be an 18-month project, at least. And suddenly a lot of that extra money you raised that you hoped to spend on contractors for art assets or whatever now has to go to paying your core group of devs for 50% longer than you intended.
Starting to get it?
Stretch goals are, in my opinion, often more harmful to Kickstarters than helpful. If you scoped our a reasonably-sized game, to be developed within a reasonably-sized timeframe, more money doesn't allow you to suddenly make that much more game in the same amount of time. And finished products aren't always better for having a bunch of cool-sounding, but ultimately unnecessary, side-systems tacked on.
ANYWAY, the point of this ranty post is that I think color customization is a perfect stretch goal. It isnt exciting enough to bring in $$ - I get that - but it's exactly the sort of easily-achieveable, quality-of-life improvements a stretch goal should be, in my opinion.
Regarding the infamous ADVENTURER reward (better known as Exclusive Character Class), they're aware of the issue.
Red Hook Studios said:
More_Badass
Member
As a backer, I prefer the town events for the reasons I had posted before
But in general, I absolutely agree. Game development is a fluid process, things change, are cut, improve as the experience takes shape. Concrete stretch goals limit that flexibility, locking the developers into delivering specific features
Personally Rain World had the best approach I've seen in a while. One goal and promises that expanded the scope of the game, staying true to their original vision and not being hemmed in by specific content features
I enjoyed Shadowrun Returns. It has its flaws (the main one, the absence of a saving system, will be fixed with the coming patch) but it was a pleasant surprise.
8 X 11 Printer Paper
Member
Many have come out and good amount have turned out good including Faster Than Light.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
FTL
Giana Sisters
Broken Age
Wasteland 2 (Early Access)
Sequence (Feep is now basically a God 'round these parts)
Shadowrun Returns
Some more successful gaming related ones, from my backed list:
Minecraft: The Story of Mojang
Cards Against Humanity
Indie Game: The Movie
Pinball Arcade: Twilight Zone
8bit playing cards
Yep, indeed, Update #2 is available.
Last but not least
Stretch Goals Crushed: Brigands and Bosses!
- HOUNDMASTER ($90k): We put this guy as the first stretch goal because we personally really wanted him in the game! He's too awesome not to do.
We'll give more details about him once Chris has finished the drawing, but let me just say that he has some great combat abilities and his camping skills are not too shabby either.
His loyal mastiff gives some great tactical options--a ranged attacker of sorts. And what better to stand on guard while camping than a faithful hound?
- WANDERING BRIGANDS ($100k): Heroes aren't the only ones to descend into the dark. The most greedy and desperate also go in search of treasure.
And they don't care where the gold comes from. They will happily dispatch weakened adventurers to get the shiny. This band of tough thugs can be found in any dungeon environment,
wandering and laying in ambush. On the plus side, they carry treasures that can't be found anywhere else.
- BOSS VARIANTS ($125k): Each dungeon environment will now have variant bosses! More content, and more strategies to consider when delving down on KILL quests.
Your support is making the game even more "fleshed out"*!
*"Fleshed out" may refer to gigantic amorphous otherworldly blobs of unspeakable evil.
Environment Early Look: Ruins and Weald
Each enviroment will have it's own enemies, strategies, traps, curios, etc.
'Curios' are what we call the interactive object you stumble upon during exploration. They can range from a simple chest, to some weird arcane lectern, and are themed per dungeon enviro.
You'll learn through experimentation what effects they can have your group. Conversely, think of Events as 'chance cards'. Your party might suddenly need a snack, a gust of wind might lower your torch,
you might hear strange, haunting music...
Gametrailers interview – The Minds Behind the Madness
We delve into dungeon psychology with the creators of Darkest Dungeon. (20:55)
Last but not least
Red Hook Studios said:
Also The Banner Saga, which I love and am very glad I backed.
On the discussion of the exclusive class, I am still backing because the game looks incredible, I just hope they find a way to resolve this issue without making backers feel unloved while still allowing such a big feature to be available in the future.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Houndmaster's gonna lose his shit when his dog dies.
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
Popstar, if you're reading this, all I can say is DAMN YOUR EYES! DAMN THEM TO HELL AND BACK!
I SWORE I wouldn't back another project with Kickstarter after that stupid mother used crowdfunding to pay for her kid to get lessons to 'get back' at her brothers.
I SWORE, BY THE SEVEN HELLS! But this looks too fucking good...!
ARGHGHGHGH! AND IT'S CANADIAN!
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU...!
Might even up my damn pledge if I had seen this earlier and there were more early bird pledges available.
edit: I'll keep an eye no this to see where it is and up accordingly (tempted to get Patron tier), but otherwise, good luck!
I SWORE I wouldn't back another project with Kickstarter after that stupid mother used crowdfunding to pay for her kid to get lessons to 'get back' at her brothers.
I SWORE, BY THE SEVEN HELLS! But this looks too fucking good...!
ARGHGHGHGH! AND IT'S CANADIAN!
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU...!
Might even up my damn pledge if I had seen this earlier and there were more early bird pledges available.
edit: I'll keep an eye no this to see where it is and up accordingly (tempted to get Patron tier), but otherwise, good luck!
Pop I was wondering how much background and environmental art changes through out the game. Will it changes within floors of a dungeon, within section of floors of a dungeon, by section of a dungeon (like floors 2-4 are crypt like but it shifts to a lovecraftian complex tone from floor 5 down), or is it generally steadily themed throughout the complete dungeon?
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
So, by my count, to date, you guys have 182 custom Heroes to make. Plus the new class with the Lord tier.
Thank you for answering. I'm pretty excite about this concept from a thematic stand point. Maybe I gather up some of my thoughts on things you seem to be doing thats I've wanted to see or really enjoy seeing in games. Its very rare I'm thing interested in a kickstarter from a new studio (The Banner Saga and First Contact being the other two.)
Comfort Jones
Banned
Well Naito, I straight up told the devs on kickstarter how I feel, but please don't tell me to direct my comments elsewhere. No thread should exist solely for blind hype and positive feedback. This is a game I was actually legit interested in but stuff like that straight up turns me the fuck off on it, and I'm going to voice that frustration.
Damn how did I miss this!
I love that art style. I'm going to spread the news around my circle of like minded individuals.
Did you say that this will be available for Ubuntu too? The website only says Mac/Win.
I hope you think about bring it to consoles after it releases.
I love that art style. I'm going to spread the news around my circle of like minded individuals.
Did you say that this will be available for Ubuntu too? The website only says Mac/Win.
I hope you think about bring it to consoles after it releases.
The Wii U loves Indies!!!
Finally, an indie who is showing some love for 3DS, lol.
Please, let us save whenever we want (of course outside battle)... I disliked that in Shadowrun and Banner Saga that I couldn't save when I wanted and I had to redo all the cutscene, dialogs and battle... Oh yeah a quick save and load if possible too.
Giant Bomb has a nice list of funded kickstarters that have been released or are forthcoming. It appears to be missing some, Valdis Story for example, but its fairly extensive.
http://www.giantbomb.com/kickstarter-funded/3015-7378/games/
The answer is yes, a lot of them. Many of which people arn't even aware were kickstarters I think.
Messofanego
Banned
Broken Sword 5 was missing from there surprisingly, added it.
My intention wasn't to push only for hype in this thread but to point out that the developers are actively considering the feedbacks they have received;
there have been already adjustments, even before the campaign launched, here and there based on the fans' reactions. I reckon the exclusive class is
a more delicate situation to "defuse" – they're aware of it.
But, yeah, I see your point, it's a topic that has been firing up here and in the KS comments.
On topic, we're $5k away from the next stretch goal ($150k). I presume that it will be a somewhat safe sail to the $200k goal, at least. Which is great
It also seems that tomorrow, Friday, we'll get a feature of the existing confirmed characters.
Ogedai_Khan
Member
200% funding. Sweet.
And the next stretch goal TWO new classes and new quest types looks like it'll add a lot to gameplay variety.
And the next stretch goal TWO new classes and new quest types looks like it'll add a lot to gameplay variety.