GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
I don't gets this at all
David Jaffe sets Twitter on fire after calling Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom “bland and old looking”
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GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
"Bland"
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
It makes me wonder what the Remastered version is going to look like in 10+ years. Everyone will be like "holy sh..dayum.."
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
nobody believes this I'm sorry my friends
The entires industries is praising this game for its visuals its the exact opposites
The entires industries is praising this game for its visuals its the exact opposites
Rykan
Member
Zelda looks about as good as you can reasonably expect considering the platform that is on and how insanely ambitious it is mechanically. In many ways, it is far more ambitious than a lot of other open world games on more powerful hardware. Yes, you can nitpick certain locations that might not look as nice on closer inspection, but that just comes with the territory of it being a game set in an open world and that's hard to avoid. Especially on Switch hardware.
I don't think there's any need for reviews to "ding" it when most of the game looks as good as you can reasonably expect given the circumstances, nor do I think there's a problem with double standard here. You could say that Zelda "justifies" its shortcomings in a way that some other games do not.
I don't think there's any need for reviews to "ding" it when most of the game looks as good as you can reasonably expect given the circumstances, nor do I think there's a problem with double standard here. You could say that Zelda "justifies" its shortcomings in a way that some other games do not.
2000s means between 2000-2010
What risk?
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
nobody believes this I'm sorry my friends
The entires industries is praising this game for its visuals its the exact opposites
This looks great, but to be fair, if you'd told me this was a modded version of the game or some kind of target pre release footage, I'd believe you, because when I played the game it did not look anything like as good as that at any point.
I've only played about an hour though.
Why do people always keep bringing up GOTY awards as if they matter?
To anyone who can think for themselves the GOTY is whatever the fuck the person says it is and there answer is always correct.
Its the cringiest thing to mention only seconded by people who bring up sales figures for there favorite billion dollar company.
To anyone who can think for themselves the GOTY is whatever the fuck the person says it is and there answer is always correct.
Its the cringiest thing to mention only seconded by people who bring up sales figures for there favorite billion dollar company.
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GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
It looks ways better than this in reals life especially on Switch OLED
Switch hardware is crudola but Nintendo's gots some alien technologies to be ables to push all these crazy physics and gameplays scenarios on it they are lapping other devs
If Switch had PS5 powers the Zelda devs would prolly creates the holodeck
MMaRsu
Gold Member
Lmao, just because it's open world does not make it non linear. Those games all have a set story to follow with progression tied to that linear story. You guys know the difference right?
Especially LA Noire, Far Cry and Arkham City. Just because you can free roam, does not make it a non linear game like ToTK. Nevermind the fact that you barely have any agency in those games either.
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GymWolf
Member
Same as zelda tokt, you can't just go to ganon this time, you have forced story parts to do.
And let's be honest, going directly to ganon is a good way to ruin the game because you are literally skipping 99% of content, it was just a feature so nintendo fanboys could tell you how much better botw was for doing that shit compared to other open world games, it was like xbox backcompatibility, everyone praise it, nobody actually use it
The reality is that only speedrunners buy an open world game to go directly to the final boss, let's be real here, nobody want to spend money to play 5 hours of a 100-200 hours game.
Sure the structure is not as rigid as most open world game where you have to take missions in a certain order (not in everyone tho), but most of these games also have more complicated plots, zelda plot is still super simple and generic at the end of the day.
Nintendo understood that to tell a decent story they needed some structure and pacing, and this is why people are liking the narrative in tokt way more than botw, hell they even did a "sony beginning" with slow walk and cutscenes to make me give a fuck this time about the story.
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Spaceman292
Banned
The colours are slightly more saturated, but that's all. The game does look like that.
Spaceman292
Banned
If people were that influenced by nostalgia then they would have said the last few Pokémon games looked good.
DaleinCalgary
Member
Well it is bland old looking because it's on the switch. Hardware limitations so thats the design.
Gambit2483
Member
They're both Switch exclusives...huh?
cireza
Member
it was like xbox backcompatibility, everyone praise it, nobody actually use it
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
How can the mechanics be 10/10 if you need the 6/10 controls to control the mechanics?
GymWolf
Member
Because for example ultrahand is a 10\10 genius concept but the inferface can be cumbersome and the control scheme a bit idiotic sometimes.
Personally i would not score the controls a 6 but surely not a 10, let's just stop at that.
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tmlDan
Member
I was more referring to docking points for it, and yes they did but Pokemon nostalgia is different than Zelda.
Pokemon nostalgia comes from Ash and the original 150, we're far past that and the degradation of pokemon as a whole over time.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
But if the controls harm the mechanics, the mechanics can't be 10/10. Controls and mechanics are tied up.
Captain Toad
Banned
But, people are doing 4K shots of it on PCThey're both Switch exclusives...huh?
GymWolf
Member
The controls are not nearly bad enough to ruin the experience, that would be 3\10 controls, not 6-7\10 controls.
Dude i fucking hate building stuff in games, if they were so bad i would be turned off more than the average player.
Not having a fucking roll outside of lock on or having a shitty lock on are way bigger flaws control wise than ultrahand being a bit finnicky.
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Gambit2483
Member
You really think resolution is the deciding factor (graphically) between these two games..?
That said, didn't know TOTK was already emulated on PC. That was quick...
tkscz
Member
*Checks to see if the Switch still runs on hardware from 2014*
Yep, it still runs on hardware from 9 years ago, no shit the graphics aren't going to be up to snuff anymore. Pokemon got ripped because it was glitchy, has WORSE graphics than TotK and it showed how gamefreak messed up developing it (still using a badly translated 3DS engine, for some reason all the water is loaded in all at once and sits under the world in a big water globe). No one is out here really praising Zelda's graphics outside maybe art style. Most people are enjoying it's physics and how exploration and traversing the map is. Not saying the Switch hasn't produce some gorgeous games, Luigi's Mansion 3 is still beautiful, but I don't see people out here saying TotK looks good graphically for a game released in 2023.
Yep, it still runs on hardware from 9 years ago, no shit the graphics aren't going to be up to snuff anymore. Pokemon got ripped because it was glitchy, has WORSE graphics than TotK and it showed how gamefreak messed up developing it (still using a badly translated 3DS engine, for some reason all the water is loaded in all at once and sits under the world in a big water globe). No one is out here really praising Zelda's graphics outside maybe art style. Most people are enjoying it's physics and how exploration and traversing the map is. Not saying the Switch hasn't produce some gorgeous games, Luigi's Mansion 3 is still beautiful, but I don't see people out here saying TotK looks good graphically for a game released in 2023.
normalguy09x
Member
My comment was about David Jaffe, not anyone commenting here.
Hayabusa83
Banned
Soy infused neck beard grifter says what?
Neff
Member
Sure, if we're talking about the same game being released on different platforms. But Jaffe questions the assessment of visuals of a game exclusive to and custom-made for the Switch, because there are games out there pushing more polygons with fancier lighting on other, more powerful platforms. It's like saying Game Gear games should get lower scores for visuals because they can't do Mode 7. It's ridiculous.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
I get what you are saying but when a company is still running on hardware that is this old, one would think that how the game looks vs other games on the market today would still be mentioned. Remember, Nintendo positions the switch as both a console and a portable, how do you think this game stacks up vs other console games today graphically?
Don't get me wrong, I think what the wizards have done with what they have is amazing, but they are limited by the hand they dealt themselves.
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fallingdove
Member
Lapping other developers? Your delusions have hit new heights.It looks ways better than this in reals life especially on Switch OLED
Switch hardware is crudola but Nintendo's gots some alien technologies to be ables to push all these crazy physics and gameplays scenarios on it they are lapping other devs
If Switch had PS5 powers the Zelda devs would prolly creates the holodeck
Good for you that you you are so impressed by swastika windmills and low res, empty worlds. For as much convincing as you are doing, part of me wonders if you aren't enjoying the game as much as you would lead others to believe.
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Dr. Claus
Banned
The game world isn't empty, you would know this if you actually played it. You are the one who is clearly delusional, mate.
There was a time that you didn't have to choose between Nintendo gameplay and modern graphics. Some people can accept current Nintendo graphics, and others get a little sour because they compare it to the time before. It's an old debate at this point and neither side is wrong.
I personally get a little sour, because i can picture what could be.
I personally get a little sour, because i can picture what could be.
LaughingStock
Member
On higher resolution I'd say this game looks very good.
bentanchorbolt
Banned
He isn't wrong. It's a shame that such a good game that gets it right is relegated to extremely old and out of date tech. Visuals aren't the only important thing for videogames but when a game is visually weak to the point that is damages the overall product, then you have a problem. Even the game at 1080p with a locked 30fps and proper motion blur, that would have been OK. In fact that is the baseline of what is OK. And we don't even get that.
Tams
Member
Well obviously I don't speak for you or him, but the graphical fidelity is good enough for me and I just don't find it an issue at all when playing it. Other than a low framerate in busy scenes, I don't notice any performance issues.
Now, if I stop and think about it, yes it would look better at a higher resolution with higher resolution textures and more effects. Yes, it would be a bit smoother to play. And yes, the world could have more NPCs in it.
But, again, when playing it I just don't notice that. I'm there to have fun not scrutinise the performance; and it provides just that.
And even with newer SoCs, Nintendo (or anyone else) would not get that much better performance at the same accessible price (bear in mind the cheapest Switch is £180) while maintaining a profit on the hardware (which is ultimately a healthy business decision).
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bentanchorbolt
Banned
I agree with you. It's 100% a game that is too good to let some visual shortcomings get in the way of enjoying. For BOTW and TOTK, they simply are what they are for better or worse, but its a shame that of all the devs out there making games this good, they are just plum ugly at times.
darrylgorn
Member
So after playing it for about 2 hours, I can safely say this isn't a 10/10. Not by a long shot. It's not even a controversial opinion.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Me too, even more with clunky controls.
darrylgorn
Member
Rotating and attaching parts in this game is very poor.
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fallingdove
Member
I actually have played it/am playing it. It's a step up from BOTW for sure but I don't know that I would call it brimming with life.
But hey - if you think that TOTK is the most dense, most technically complex, most artistically rich game out there, then good for you. There are differing opinions on the matter and they shouldn't be discounted because —Zelda.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Exactly and for the record I love my Nintendo Switch but that's just the truth.
It's not going to look like Elden Ring but the game still looks stylish.
GymWolf
Member
They are more than ok, trust me.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Already tried. You will never convince me that the combo "slow right stick+R1+Dpad" is not a massive clunkiness.
Did I say portable? It speaks volumes you had to add that in to argue with me. It looks two generations old. Glad we both agree.
I Master l
Banned
This isn't even that good by today's standards but still look much better artistically compared to recent Zelda games