Is it like Iron Man 2 levels of teasing bad? Because that wasn't subtle at all. In fact, the entire plot seemed to be based around SHIELD and Avengers.
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Is it like Iron Man 2 levels of teasing bad? Because that wasn't subtle at all. In fact, the entire plot seemed to be based around SHIELD and Avengers.
I felt as though it ruined the flow of the movie, it's not relevant to the plot and it's completely out of place. The
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That was my thought with the Knightmare scene.
The email file didn't bother me at all. Yes it was a setup but I felt it was somewhat organic.
Man it's so crazy how polarising this movie is because I've seen reviews that were average to luke warm on the movie and said they loved the JL setup...
Flash cameo was cool I'll admit it but the way it was done was just so obvious. Even I cringed.
Assuming I like it as much as most of you guys I would be so very happy to see it have a huge OW and a strong 2nd weekend.
I liked the Knightmare sequence. It dragged on just a bit too long but it showed
Bruce's paranoia and that he was going insane.
The email file though oh boy. It was during a sequence of events when things are getting intense but let's put a pause on everything to show clips of other metahumans. It wasn't relevant to the plot at all.
bishopcruz
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In the theater. 20 minutes to go!
Sounds like they really did just cram a bunch of world building into here. Should have done it after credits
Fair enough I just felt it was more organic than the knightmare scene even if a blatant set up. Knightmare should have been an after credits scene imp. Especially considering who we see after.
OneEyedKing
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Poodlestrike
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Simo
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The thing with the Knightmare sequence is that it's one big glorified easter egg for comic book fans but without context to the casual audience, is confusing as hell and doesn't really serve the main plot
I dug the sequence a lot but I had to explain to a friend especially
but kicks off an important thread that begins to lead up to the JL movie.
who is showing Bruce this "vision".
The email scene is more like "ok the casuals might not get the Knightmare sequence so hopefully this gives them an idea" but maybe it would of been better earlier on in the movie by having Bruce view the files after the Knightmare and when he sees Diana's photo? After all at the end of the film he's taking charge of finding these other metahumans to brace for who's coming.
The email scene is more like "ok the casuals might not get the Knightmare sequence so hopefully this gives them an idea" but maybe it would of been better earlier on in the movie by having Bruce view the files after the Knightmare and when he sees Diana's photo? After all at the end of the film he's taking charge of finding these other metahumans to brace for who's coming.
Watched it. I have to say I did think it was too dark at times. Batman
and Superman was ok, not bad but nothing great. Too late to properly post my thoughts but overall I enjoyed it. 7/10 I'd give it, maybe higher on a rewatch but I'm not sure.
Wonder Woman's scenes were hype as fuck. Trinity on screen together was hype as fuck. It's nowhere near as bad as the reviewers made out.
straight up killing people, really?
Wonder Woman's scenes were hype as fuck. Trinity on screen together was hype as fuck. It's nowhere near as bad as the reviewers made out.
Fuck that Flash cameo though. Terrible.
Poodlestrike
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Same one, yeah.
What did he mean by this?
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No spoilers of course
Minor thoughts: Perry got the most laughs, Lois felt more natural here than MoS, Alfred was great, Doomsday was functional, really enjoyed Luthor but he should have as much setup to hate Superman as Batman did (or more in fact),
That said all of the Justice League cameos in this went on for WAAYYY too long.
My rating is a 5/10, but I will definitely buy the extended cut.
Contrary to my previous post itt, I have zero desire to watch it again in its current form (but I will watch the ever-loving hell out the opening credits on YouTube for years to come - its as good as Watchmen). I give Watchmen and Man of Steel both 9/10s by the way - two of my favorite movies.
I love Man of Steel. Love it! But what can I say about this? To start, a previous poster described "fan film tier editing", and I agree. Scenes actually seemed out of order. But all the scenes were beautifully shot an the action was phenomenal though. Wonder Woman is awesome. Audiences will adore her, WB has a huge W with Gal Gadot. Yes people did clap when she appeared. Best Batman action ever on screen, with minimum cgi too. In the acting department, surprisingly Affleck did not have much to work with here. He was angry for most of the movie and I longed for him to display a wider range of emotions like in his scenes with Gadot. Here's the big problem, Superman is a blip. I honestly had no clue what he was doing, what was going on his head, at any point in the movie. I love Man of Steel because I understand Man of Steel. But here I am baffled by Superman. Oh he's about to deliver some epic dialogue, nope flies away. Oh he's getting a pep talk, nope stares longingly and doesnt say a word. This has a lot to do with Superman but much more to do with Batman, but I see it being very hard for someone not well-versed in the comic books to understand many things - (who the hell was he? why is he acting like this? where did that come from? what the fuck are you talking about? what the fuck is this?) - about this movie. Some changes the Knightmare sequence could have made an epic scene into an legendary scene. Finally, I cannot say much about the script except that it simultaneously built up Batman's animosity towards Superman too much and too little, if that even makes sense. The resolution to their conflict is so abrupt and unsatisfying despite the build up, and them not interacting much before that made them coming together anti-climatic - again like some scenes were cut.
Minor thoughts: Perry got the most laughs, Lois felt more natural here than MoS, Alfred was great, Doomsday was functional, really enjoyed Luthor but he should have as much setup to hate Superman as Batman did (or more in fact),
For this, I will reiterate much of what I said above. The scene to scene cuts were awful. This I think is what sunk it with critics the most, they can forgive a poor movie, but not a poorly made one. Likewise, all the comic fanboy parts of the movie are very offputting. Lastly, Batfleck does not have much to work with and Cavill has nothing but visuals. When those are the two marquee names, you want them to deliver the heat.
Content-wise, the movie had everything. Zack treats the DC universe like a sandbox and he's the king of the playground. The "Snyderverse" isnt just a cute phrase. Ayer, Wan, whoever can handle the specifics - but all the big parts belong to him. Despite criticisms of handling of characters, the Dawn of Justice part of the movie was what I came wanting more of, not the Batman v Superman part. I'm very interested in the characters he is crafting and want to see them together. They are just so...cool, beyond their inherent iconography.
That said all of the Justice League cameos in this went on for WAAYYY too long.
My rating is a 5/10, but I will definitely buy the extended cut.
Contrary to my previous post itt, I have zero desire to watch it again in its current form (but I will watch the ever-loving hell out the opening credits on YouTube for years to come - its as good as Watchmen). I give Watchmen and Man of Steel both 9/10s by the way - two of my favorite movies.
Schweinehund
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I loved his moments. He was really inspiring by the end.
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From a "wow Superman is going HAM" perspective, yeah I suppose. Him taking Doomsday into orbit and him returning from Sun soak to plow Spike hulk were the two best *action* moments, otherwise Batman & WW got better moments
Really my only suggestion to Snyder would be
kind of spoilers?
To knock the visions off. They take a good portion of time and most of the time they aren't integral to the plot. He could have saved 10 minutes by not doing visions and doing more exposition that would have made the film tide over better.
I really hope this hit's WB's expectations.
I am going to rewatch it as soon as Imax 2d hits. This would be the second movie in like 15 years that I've watched twice, the last being TFA.
I was more referring to Superman getting thrown around like a ragdoll by Batman literally and him getting his ass handed to him by Doomsday. He never had a moment to shine in this movie.
Nope. The only thing I would have cut out was the Knightmare scene. Put that after the credits and taken out the other "vision". That's it. You can't cut out Lex
Not at all. continous scenes (there are some literally cut in half, then resolves hakf and hor later) More Lex(motivations please) more Bruce, more superman, less Lois, less perry, less everyone else, no flashbacks/weirs dreams, a few more action in the first hour, longer space between setpieces in the last act, and... Super ironically.... the Knightmare as a post credits scene. I know I hate them but if it should be in, it should be outside the main narrative.
I'm most excited about the non-action parts. I loved Ang Lee Hulk and Superman Returns. I'm just not a HUGE action fan I guess. I hope there's some interesting stuff. I watched this trailer and I loved the lines and the portrayals and the general feel in it, but they may just be tiny moments in such a big movie.
thehypocrite
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I think he likes him and was deeper on his character. This was probably Superman worst day ever, but he was Hope. You hope for him, multiple times. That's Superman l, that part of his character and I think that even as his worst there's still hope that he'll do something and even if he wasn't there there's still hope that he will come back.
Godddam the more I think about the film the better it gets. Looking forward for my second viewing.
It was everything I wanted from a Man of Steel sequel, and more. It had structure problems in the first third, but once the major players and motivations settled into place the movie took off and never stopped entertaining. I'm dying to see if the Ultimate Cut smooths the structural kinks out. Once I realized we were basically getting
Batman I was completely fine with Bruce's methods, and Affleck knocked the role out of the park. Superman and Wonder Woman were also great, and I can't wait for Diana's solo film.
I never had a problem with the time Marvel uses to setup the following films, even in Iron Man 2, and I don't have a problem with it here either. It's really a necessary evil that Marvel themselves turned into the standard practice. Speaking of Marvel, I love the MCU to death, but this was a better and more honest effort than most of their films. BvS had something to say, something which really only the Winter Soldier can claim. I left the theater thinking about the issues and themes the film addressed, and not about when the next film in the phase is coming to tie up loose ends only to create many more. I appreciate that Snyder gave me something to chew on.
Screw the critics, go see the film and make up your own mind.
Also put an order in for the Sideshow Collectibles Premium Format Armored Batman when I got home. Give it to me now.
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I never had a problem with the time Marvel uses to setup the following films, even in Iron Man 2, and I don't have a problem with it here either. It's really a necessary evil that Marvel themselves turned into the standard practice. Speaking of Marvel, I love the MCU to death, but this was a better and more honest effort than most of their films. BvS had something to say, something which really only the Winter Soldier can claim. I left the theater thinking about the issues and themes the film addressed, and not about when the next film in the phase is coming to tie up loose ends only to create many more. I appreciate that Snyder gave me something to chew on.
Screw the critics, go see the film and make up your own mind.
Also put an order in for the Sideshow Collectibles Premium Format Armored Batman when I got home. Give it to me now.
More action in the middle 2/4s of the movie. There's a lot of scenes that drag on too long or are just unneeded. I'd cut out all the Justice League teases and dream sequences.
Simo
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Same thoughts really, I just didn't have a issue with the beginning structure.There's a lot of ground and players the film needs to introduce and set up and thankfully it kept me entertain and when the action comes or big set pieces I felt they were a great big pay off for what the film was setting up. One of my friends said that it was probably the first time he felt Batman was fucking terrifying for its introduction. lol
I was just totally satisfied leaving the the theater and the group of us went to dinner raving and discussing the film. Again, getting D-Box tickets for Sunday and can't wait to feel like I'm getting my ass kicked by Batman. lol
thehypocrite
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Disagree, Superman shines not on the action but on a different level. He's there to redeem himself, to redeem Batman and to redeem us.
This movie is Snyder exploring this characters not as themselves but how regular people would view them it's incredible in many ways. This movie ain't Sucker Punch, this is a success, not a failure. Snyder did good in my eyes.
FUBAR McDangles
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Fuck sorry guys. Didn't think about spoilering it. Nevermind. I apologize. Seeing some other stuff in here that was left untagged, it just didn't cross my mind.
TropicalFish
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I'd have either cut the Knightmare and JL Cameo sections or put them as post credits scenes lol.
Those were probably the most jarring scenes for me.
DecoReturns
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Damn spoilers. Not here of all places. I never step into the other thread too :/.
Aww well
Aww well
Smokey_Run
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While the title sequence was good, I think it could have been cut. I think the Knightmare stuff could have been cut. Cameo stuff:
Just show the files with the logos, don't have WW going through the stuff again later.
the other dream sequences
Poodlestrike
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I wouldn't cut out a thing. Just the opposite, actually. There are 2 scenes that need to be added, imo. And then a whole bunch that need to be longer.
Oh, wait, that's not right, I'd definitely cut the
freaky ass manbat dream. That was unnecessary.
Simo
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I think you might be in the wrong thread mate. lol but to add my 2 cents...
Batman has killed people in all of the films but one, Batman & Robin. So for people to cry foul and make a deal out of it is stupid as hell.
He doesn't straight up murder thugs, more like you said they're in the way and it's collateral damage. He's being doing this for over 20 years, lost friends and loved ones during his war on crime and for what? Nothing has changed. Like he says the criminals are like weeds where one goes down and more rise up. I didn't have a issue with it.
Although I did laugh because I thought he was going to straight up headshot someone with the sniper rifle. lol
He doesn't straight up murder thugs, more like you said they're in the way and it's collateral damage. He's being doing this for over 20 years, lost friends and loved ones during his war on crime and for what? Nothing has changed. Like he says the criminals are like weeds where one goes down and more rise up. I didn't have a issue with it.
Although I did laugh because I thought he was going to straight up headshot someone with the sniper rifle. lol
Just wanted to chime in quick and say that all the people in my FB that watched the movie loved it. My sis watched it today and she liked it and her favorite part was WW said Gal was perfect, she is a big Wondy fan btw.
I'll watch it on Monday with Dad.
I'll watch it on Monday with Dad.
What did he mean by this?
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Can I just add....
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/3c5kmi/potential_spoilers_a_detailed_plot_of_batman_v
I'd rather have this movie. No actual spoilers btw.
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/3c5kmi/potential_spoilers_a_detailed_plot_of_batman_v
I'd rather have this movie. No actual spoilers btw.
Poodlestrike
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I'm gonna go to sleep and wake up and have to make the same arguments I'm making in the spoiler thread again, lol.
Sigh.
Sigh.
I honestly think there's a good movie to be salvaged here somewhere.
Poodlestrike
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Hated? No. It's very jarring, though. Maybe deliberately. I guess it depends on how it pans out.
TropicalFish
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I didn't hate the scene, it just didn't fit in the movie well enough.
Smokey_Run
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It's just too out of left field and I don't think it has any real relevance to the film. It's just time that could be better spent elsewhere trying to help flesh out some of the other stuff that is actually important to this story.
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