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DC Cinematic Universe |OT| Superfriends with Benefits
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Scientist Supreme!
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None of his actions in film demonstrate him as such.
People are asking for superman to be best humanity. That doesn't mean he should act above or feel alien/inhuman because there's no real reason he should. He just a good natured guy from Kansas who happens to have superpowers. I can't really speaks or other but my issue with superman is that I don't know what he stands for or every get the sense he enjoys helping people. He resorts to careless violence all the time and threatens people.
Smokey_Run
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Yup, for the most part I thought the score was bad and distracting outside of the title sequence and the reused Man of Steel bits. Too much reliance on character themes.
It is definitely tonally inappropriate at times.
L
Lord Virgin
Unconfirmed Member
Supes just wanna stay home and fuck Lois, but nooo some idiot let the stove on or didn't turn off the sink so now he has to waste his time saving them. Poor guy.
Of course there's a reason he should feel like an alien, the entire world is calling him one. Every time he looks at the TV or newspaper it paints him in a negative light. Of course he is going to question his own actions and what he's doing there.
Who did he threaten besides Batman? And Batman doesn't count considering what happened literally seconds before. That was a justified threat.
Poodlestrike
Banned
People are asking him to be better than the best of humanity, honestly. They're asking for the world to roll of his shoulders, for him to be above doubt and fear. These things are part of being human. Wrestling with them is important and worthwhile. What matters is that he comes out on top.
As to the rest... I don't know if he enjoys helping people. He does it a lot. He takes time away from things he's doing (
pursuing Bruce
I don't know about those last two, though. He's clearly uncomfortable threatening Bruce, and he tries to address the Batman problem first as Clark. He's definitely not careless. Idk.
The film should have cut down on the extra stuff and shown more of Superman's arc specifically. This movie REALLY needed a MoS sequel before it IMO. But alas..
He did
give an especially convincing threat to fry Lex Luthor moments before that definitely was not helped by the Knightmare scene showing Superman acting like a murderer.
Superman has always been depicted as
about to fry somebody when he's pissed. The only threat he actively made to Luthor was, "I'll take you in without breaking you, which is more than you deserve."
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
Sure but film never allows him explain his position. Why he is a threat or why he needs to controlled.
The first time he meets batman.
Look at it like this:
Without the Knightmare scene, he gets pissed and threatens to fry a person, but you never think he'd actually go through with it. With the Knightmare scene, you actually do think he will go through with it. Because he already did earlier in the movie. Even though it was some alternate future/potential future it's something that's in the forefront of the audience's minds.
You're losing me here. I'm talking about when he first meets Batman. Which means you must be talking about the "Stay down" moment. Which again is Batman. That is not people. That is person.
The
"Where is she" plus glowing red eyes at Luthor was definitely a threat.
I do like that after that he says
She's safe down on the ground. How about you?
We'll have to agree to disagree. I've seen Superman's rage depicted that way too many times to see that as much more than an expression like you or I would make if something grossed us out.
I will concede that audiences unfamiliar with Superman in that regard will have just cause to view it as a threat.
Well no. It's not unfamiliarity with Superman. It's that damned Knightmare scene that made it look like a real threat.
Because audiences just saw him fry two people in a vague scene that may or may not be dream/vision/alternate reality/future/etc.
It actually helped justify Batman's position, to the point that some people could actually root for Batman in the fight, even though you are completely supposed to be appalled by what he is doing.
SENPAIatLARGE
Banned
I sincerely hope all the people tirelessly defending this movie are just as satisfied with the upcoming dark and gritty Justice Lords movie. This is MoS all over again
, in which the great visionary Snyder can do no wrong, and any mistakes will be addressed in the sequel. I wonder how long people will overlook the gross disrespect for the source material and lack of understanding by Snynder for its characters, becasue he will 'do better in the sequel.' I'm just real tired and disappointed with having to see more movies in a universe where people fight each other in costumes, but is absent of heroes.
a movie I enjoyed way more than this
No I get what you're saying and that's why I said if you are unfamiliar with the character I can see why it would come off that way. Especially with the Knightmare scene. But with or without that Knightmare scene, to me, him pissed and red-eyed is just normal Superman behavior.
I'm wondering if
that Flash cameo would have worked as well without the Knightmare scene. As cool as the scene was it seems to be a point of contention with a lot of people, narratively speaking.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Oh my god please start reading the arguments
SENPAIatLARGE
Banned
More of my personal feelings about the DC CU going forward with Snyder at the helm. But hey your arguments were probably too deep for a marvel fan such as myself to comprehend.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Holy strawman.
I object to the post because you're dismissing every argument being made about this movie that isn't wholly negative as fanboys shuffling things off to the next film. This is incorrect.
Directing that at Poodlestrike is pretty goddamn funny to me.
I think it would have worked fine actually. Because it's actually pretty independent of it. Maybe better because there are so many other positives that come with removing the Knightmare scene:
1) You can put back in connective tissue and extended sequences to flesh out subplots without making a 3 hour movie.
2) You don't inadvertently negatively color an audience's opinion on this particular Superman.
3) You don't inadvertently
justify Batman's position in the movie by showing Superman capable of that 1%.
4) You don't completely kill the pacing of the movie.
5) You don't completely mystify the audience that isn't well versed in DC lore and doesn't like to be WTF'd in the middle of a movie
(with the Flash cameo only, it'd be a small WTF)
I can pretty much agree with all of that.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Very well put.
I'd also say that any Darkseid/New Gods teasing it does could have easily, and much more interestingly, been picked up by that cut scene they already posted. In-the-know fans mostly get it, it leads to lots of speculation, and it's a short, sweet visual that entertains less nerdy audiences.
SENPAIatLARGE
Banned
Sorry for dismissing the arguments, that last thing I said could be qualified as a marvel fanboy shitpost for sure. There were cool things in the movie for sure, and it was a gorgeous spectacle. But the movie to me was ultimately ok at best, and detestable at worst. I grew up with these characters and while I personally love lighter interpretations o them (Batman 66, Brave and the Bold, All Star Superman) I appreciate new interpretations like Flashpoint and Crisis on two Earths. But these interpretations were not elsewhere stories. This is the main Trinity for future movies, and the fact that its them at their lowest 2 movies in breaks my heart.
Poodlestrike
Banned
It's aight, don't worry about it.
I understand wanting a lighter take, but I think that this does some very interesting things with the characters. And for what it's worth, even before reviews started coming in, the stated intention was to treat this as the middle part of a trilogy. Like Two Towers and ESB, it's deliberately the darkest part.
broncobuster
Banned
I agree but
Knightmare could work if Superman and signs of Superman are taken out. Have Bruce misinterpret the sequence as Superman gone rogue, Flash tells him "bro knock it off with being a dick." Turn the Knightmare into the world where Batman continues down his path to kill Superman.
I get what you're saying. It would be very effective then.
Parademons only. No bullshit Superman gestapo soldiers.
Poodlestrike
Banned
I mean, lighter is different from Marvel. The movie can spend more time in a more upbeat place without a quipping compulsion.
(With all the love in the world)
Dcube
Member
Just came out of seeing it a third time. As someone who ripped into this movie on opening night, I feel I was a bit harsh in retrospect. It's really grown on me.
Soundtrack is amazing, action is awesome when it does eventually get there, and I just love the characters. Loved Ben's broken Batman the most, and Lex was fantastic, close second favorite.
It's dark, dense, ambitious, and unfortunately stumbles about, but I found lots to like. Enough to get me back in my seat for a third time and come out saying I liked it. I'm pretty excited for that ultimate cut.
Soundtrack is amazing, action is awesome when it does eventually get there, and I just love the characters. Loved Ben's broken Batman the most, and Lex was fantastic, close second favorite.
It's dark, dense, ambitious, and unfortunately stumbles about, but I found lots to like. Enough to get me back in my seat for a third time and come out saying I liked it. I'm pretty excited for that ultimate cut.
Same here. I've seen it three times and each repeat viewing I came out liking it more. I am in no way comparing it to Mad Max but that movie was the same way for me.
Curious, but how much do you think it improved for you? Like if did it go from a 2 to a 6?
Poodlestrike
Banned
Man, seeing movies in theaters three times, I don't know how y'all do it. I'm gonna rewatch this thing endlessly when it's at home, but a theater trip is, like an OUTING. I dunno about doing it so many times for the same movie, lol.
Just an excuse for me to build memories with my kids really. Plus we catch matinee's so it's not too bad.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Poodlestrike
Banned
Saw it with my brother opening night. Saw it with my daughter the following day. Going with my wife on Friday since she couldn't make opening night. Will likely see it a couple more times throughout its run.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Watching it right now. It's alright so far though I prefer Star Fire being a member of the team and not the mom of everyone.
Smokey_Run
Member
I know there was some chatter today about Warner Bros putting the Ultimate Cut in theaters. If they were going to do something like that, how far in advance would Warner Bros have to announce something like that?
Poodlestrike
Banned
AFAIK, that's just forum chatter. Wouldn't put too much into it.
They'd have to get it cleared by the MPAA, then pull the existing movie, then distribute the Ultimate cut... idk.
Yeah, I mostly watch movies alone. Going three times by myself is... yeah
See I can't do movies alone. I always feel so awkward like people are looking at me saying, "Who's that guy over there that is so unliked no one would see a movie with him?"
I understand that is completely irrational.
Paused fairly early to watch Flash but yes and no. Think what happens if Jamie Jobs and loses control.
Start of the movie is odd and feels like it was made for a different movie but then it got changed to be a Damien and Titans push. Betiing Solo Batman film has Damien and Cyborg is now Titans, or at least Titans is being added to the Slate for phase II.
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