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[RepairmanJack]

If you wanna catch up quickly, you can probably skip Doomed and go straight to Johns Men of Tomorrow arc and then read Superman and Action from #41 on.

I'd throw in Lois and Clark as well.

okay, I'm pretty excited to read the truth arc

Don't get too excited...

It has it's moments but largely it's meh.

Sad when a 3 issue arc in Batman/Superman was the best story for either characters throughout the DCYou runs.

 

[kylecoley182]

If you wanna catch up quickly, you can probably skip Doomed and go straight to Johns Men of Tomorrow arc and then read Superman and Action from #41 on.

okay, I'm pretty excited to read the truth arc

 

[kylecoley182]

I'd throw in Lois and Clark as well.

i have heard that too

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

I'm not posting an actual spoiler here, but

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there's something deeply lazy and hackish about not just returning to the well of a classic story that was intended to be entirely self-contained, and distinct from any "superhero universe" as conventionally defined, but about positioning that, symbolically and otherwise, as the foundation for their universe going forward. Especially when its creators have made it clear that DC is disregarding their wishes in doing so,

DC was at their lowest point in sales. This is the equivalent to Square announcing the FF7 Remake. Money talks and it doesn't care about morals and symbols. Everything is colliding with each other anyway.

 

[Ross61]

I don't know how ya'll feel about Newsrama but they have the first review(no spoilers):
http://www.newsarama.com/29405-best-shot-review-dc-rebirth-special-1-10-10-no-spoilers.html

From that it sound's pretty decent.

 

[tim1138]

From Rama's Spoiler review http://www.newsarama.com/29406-best-shot-review-dc-rebirth-special-1-with-spoilers-10-10.html

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But in a comic full of big moments, there’s one that will stand out above the rest — namely, that the malevolent force that has stolen 10 years from the DC Universe (and murdered Pandora, the symbol of the New 52, in a particularly subversive jab) is none other than Watchmen’s Dr. Manhattan. When you read it, you might feel the air leave you, and it might be one of the smartest bits Johns has come up with since Sinestro Corps War. Of course the cynicism of the DC Universe began here — and the only way to counteract that is to call out the “world’s greatest graphic novel” for its sins. It serves to both heighten the stakes tremendously, as Johns taps into DC’s final frontier, but also serves as a great bit of metacommentary.

 

[Father_Brain]

Hey, guys, remember when Pandora created the New 52?

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Of course, nobody actually gives a fuck about Pandora and I don't actually care much whether Rebirth ignores her. Though the spoilers online are far from detailed, so who knows, maybe it doesn't.

 

[Poodlestrike]

From Rama's Spoiler review http://www.newsarama.com/29406-best-shot-review-dc-rebirth-special-1-with-spoilers-10-10.html

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But in a comic full of big moments, there’s one that will stand out above the rest — namely, that the malevolent force that has stolen 10 years from the DC Universe (and murdered Pandora, the symbol of the New 52, in a particularly subversive jab) is none other than Watchmen’s Dr. Manhattan. When you read it, you might feel the air leave you, and it might be one of the smartest bits Johns has come up with since Sinestro Corps War. Of course the cynicism of the DC Universe began here — and the only way to counteract that is to call out the “world’s greatest graphic novel” for its sins. It serves to both heighten the stakes tremendously, as Johns taps into DC’s final frontier, but also serves as a great bit of metacommentary.

YES.

Exactly how I was hoping it'd go down.

 

[tim1138]

YES.

Exactly how I was hoping it'd go down.

Someone tell Narez he was right

 

[exmachina64]

To spoil or not to spoil myself?

 

[Ahasverus]

I don't know how ya'll feel about Newsrama but they have the first review(no spoilers):
http://www.newsarama.com/29405-best-shot-review-dc-rebirth-special-1-10-10-no-spoilers.html

From that it sound's pretty decent.

That's quite the glowing review

 

[Savitar]

To spoil or not to spoil myself?

You know you want too......you'll hate yourself for it..........but can you really resist.

 

[exmachina64]

You know you want too......you'll hate yourself for it..........but can you really resist.

I don't hate myself for doing it, but, man, DC is really out of ideas.

Edit:

I'll just add that

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"If you like your Joker, you can keep your Joker!"

is going to work out greeeaaat...

 

[tim1138]

Sooooo... about that

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Titans

solicit for August then... huh.

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“Remember the Titans” part two! As the Titans prepare to do the unthinkable in order to defeat the intergalactic demon that stole time itself from the DC Universe

 

[Poodlestrike]

Sooooo... about that

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Titans

solicit for August then... huh.

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“Remember the Titans” part two! As the Titans prepare to do the unthinkable in order to defeat the intergalactic demon that stole time itself from the DC Universe

I was thinking about that, lol.

Titans vs.

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Doctor Manhattan! LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[Father_Brain]

From Rama's Spoiler review http://www.newsarama.com/29406-best-shot-review-dc-rebirth-special-1-with-spoilers-10-10.html

Spoiler

But in a comic full of big moments, there’s one that will stand out above the rest — namely, that the malevolent force that has stolen 10 years from the DC Universe (and murdered Pandora, the symbol of the New 52, in a particularly subversive jab) is none other than Watchmen’s Dr. Manhattan. When you read it, you might feel the air leave you, and it might be one of the smartest bits Johns has come up with since Sinestro Corps War. Of course the cynicism of the DC Universe began here — and the only way to counteract that is to call out the “world’s greatest graphic novel” for its sins. It serves to both heighten the stakes tremendously, as Johns taps into DC’s final frontier, but also serves as a great bit of metacommentary.

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Sounds like a great time to link to what David Brothers wrote about their godawful coverage of Before Watchmen!

http://4thletter.net/2012/02/newsarama-needs-to-do-better/

http://4thletter.net/2012/04/if-newsarama-knew-better-it-would-do-better/

 

[slightconfuse]

From Rama's Spoiler review http://www.newsarama.com/29406-best-shot-review-dc-rebirth-special-1-with-spoilers-10-10.html

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But in a comic full of big moments, there’s one that will stand out above the rest — namely, that the malevolent force that has stolen 10 years from the DC Universe (and murdered Pandora, the symbol of the New 52, in a particularly subversive jab) is none other than Watchmen’s Dr. Manhattan. When you read it, you might feel the air leave you, and it might be one of the smartest bits Johns has come up with since Sinestro Corps War. Of course the cynicism of the DC Universe began here — and the only way to counteract that is to call out the “world’s greatest graphic novel” for its sins. It serves to both heighten the stakes tremendously, as Johns taps into DC’s final frontier, but also serves as a great bit of metacommentary.

Did DC just read Flex mentallo or something

 

[beyond_death]

Having read the spoilers and review, I'm very excited about Rebirth and the future of DC now. I love this meta shit.

 

[tim1138]

I was thinking about that, lol.

Titans vs.

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Doctor Manhattan! LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOO

Guess I'm pulling that book after all...

 

[Father_Brain]

Seriously, what the fuck is this from the Newsarama review:

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"Of course the cynicism of the DC Universe began here — and the only way to counteract that is to call out the “world’s greatest graphic novel” for its sins."

Those aren't Watchmen's sins at all. Those are the sins of subsequent creators who took Watchmen as a model for what superheroes should be.

 

[exmachina64]

From Rama's Spoiler review http://www.newsarama.com/29406-best-shot-review-dc-rebirth-special-1-with-spoilers-10-10.html

Spoiler

But in a comic full of big moments, there’s one that will stand out above the rest — namely, that the malevolent force that has stolen 10 years from the DC Universe (and murdered Pandora, the symbol of the New 52, in a particularly subversive jab) is none other than Watchmen’s Dr. Manhattan. When you read it, you might feel the air leave you, and it might be one of the smartest bits Johns has come up with since Sinestro Corps War. Of course the cynicism of the DC Universe began here — and the only way to counteract that is to call out the “world’s greatest graphic novel” for its sins. It serves to both heighten the stakes tremendously, as Johns taps into DC’s final frontier, but also serves as a great bit of metacommentary.

Spoiler

We should be thanking him for killing Pandora.

I was thinking about that, lol.

Titans vs.

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Doctor Manhattan! LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOO

Spoiler

They're going to fail so hard.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Seriously, what the fuck is this from the Newsarama review:

Spoiler

"Of course the cynicism of the DC Universe began here — and the only way to counteract that is to call out the “world’s greatest graphic novel” for its sins."

Those aren't Watchmen's sins at all. Those are the sins of subsequent creators who took Watchmen as a model for what superheroes should be.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but

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The whole point of Watchmen isn't that that's what heroes should be, it's that that's what they ARE. What they must necessarily become. People buying into the core deconstructive message is absolutely on the book's shoulders.

 

[bob_arctor]

From Rama's Spoiler review http://www.newsarama.com/29406-best-shot-review-dc-rebirth-special-1-with-spoilers-10-10.html

Spoiler

But in a comic full of big moments, there’s one that will stand out above the rest — namely, that the malevolent force that has stolen 10 years from the DC Universe (and murdered Pandora, the symbol of the New 52, in a particularly subversive jab) is none other than Watchmen’s Dr. Manhattan. When you read it, you might feel the air leave you, and it might be one of the smartest bits Johns has come up with since Sinestro Corps War. Of course the cynicism of the DC Universe began here — and the only way to counteract that is to call out the “world’s greatest graphic novel” for its sins. It serves to both heighten the stakes tremendously, as Johns taps into DC’s final frontier, but also serves as a great bit of metacommentary.

That is DOPE as hell. Very, very intriguing.

 

[Chiaroscuro]

Fine

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Red head Wally is back! Watchmen is part of the DC universe, oh yeah, Doc Manhattan made it. Remember a certain big blue hand that always showed up in DC's comics as the creation of the universe? BOOM.

Dunno if it is cleaver or just dumb.

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Besides, isn't that blue hand related to the original Crisis on Infinite Earths, the renegate Guardian (Can't remember his name...)

It's literally on the front page of Bleeding Cool

Yeah, thanks. As soon as I posted here I realized that I was being lazy and just googled it.

 

[Father_Brain]

Not to put too fine a point on it, but

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The whole point of Watchmen isn't that that's what heroes should be, it's that that's what they ARE. What they must necessarily become. People buying into the core deconstructive message is absolutely on the book's shoulders.

I don't agree with that at all, but to each his own, I guess.

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I also feel pretty damn confident that Pax Americana did a much better job of critiquing both Watchmen and the comics that attempted to follow it than whatever Johns has done here, and without celebrating creators being screwed over by DC.

 

[Chiaroscuro]

Sooooo... about that

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Titans

solicit for August then... huh.

Spoiler

“Remember the Titans” part two! As the Titans prepare to do the unthinkable in order to defeat the intergalactic demon that stole time itself from the DC Universe

And I foolish thought about Trigon at the time...

 

[Tragicomedy]

DC has fucked over

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Alan Moore

for 30 years. Why not 30 more? Disgraceful.

 

[Poodlestrike]

I don't agree with that at all, but to each his own, I guess.

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I also feel pretty damn confident that Pax Americana did a much better job of critiquing both Watchmen and the comics that attempted to follow it than whatever Johns has done here, and without celebrating creators being screwed over by DC.

Not gonna argue with you on that, because

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Morrison is a genius and Pax is a masterpiece

, but that doesn't mean Johns offer his own take.

Honestly, imo, it's time to take

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Watchmen down a couple of pegs. It's still excellent, but I can't honestly say its influence has been a positive force, or that its reasoning in its deconstruction is flawless.

 

[NeonZ]

Don't forget the thing everyone is forgetting and is actually massive!

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There are three jokers....

No idea...

The Joker thing is easy to see.

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He had three main origins before. His behavior has changed several times. It's not that odd that suddenly it's revealed that there were three different Jokers. Multiple Jokers was my guess from the start regarding his identity reveal.

I was just wondering whether they'd go there, but any other important "real identity" that's hyped as very relevant would likely be extremely cheesy, so it always seemed like a strong possibility this time.

 

[Ross61]

I know that's just one review, but now I'm pretty damned excited.

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

That got me hype now.

 

[TheFlow]

They literally improved everyone's costume but Arsenal's is a lil meh.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

They literally improved everyone's costume but Arsenal's is a lil meh.

Trucker will always be baller as fuck.

 

[VanWinkle]

I wish the big "reveal" was more insane to me, but since I haven't actually read the works from which the secret has derived, it's more just "oh, okay." That's on me, though.

 

[guek]

DC has fucked over

Spoiler

Alan Moore

for 30 years. Why not 30 more? Disgraceful.

They're taking a fucking dump in his mouth is what they're doing.

 

[AGITΩ]

My interest in this shot up dramatically. I was looking online to see if there was a way to preorder the One-shot first issue in physical form, but everything I see is digital. Anyone know any place to preorder a physical copy?

 

[aly]

They literally improved everyone's costume but Arsenal's is a lil meh.

Don't hate on the hat.

 

[Poodlestrike]

My interest in this shot up dramatically. I was looking online to see if there was a way to preorder the One-shot first issue in physical form, but everything I see is digital. Anyone know any place to preorder a physical copy?

Check DCBS, if you don't have a local comic shop to go to.

 

[Ross61]

I haven't been two keen on bring the old Wally back, but if they still manage to put great focus on the new Wally then I won't complain.

 

[aly]

I haven't been two keen on bring the old Wally back, but if they still manage to put great focus on the new Wally then I won't complain.

But it's the Teen titans though. Not much good actually comes from there.

 

[Ross61]

But it's the Teen titans though. Not much good actually comes from there.

That just depends on the writing. He's also going to be featured in The Flash heavily too.

 

[TheFlow]

the flash book is definitely going to be a handful with all those speedsters running around.

 

[Ross61]

ANOTHER SPOILER:

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JACKSON HYDE/KALDUR'AHM/AQUALAD IS BACK

 

[TheFlow]

ANOTHER SPOILER:

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JACKSON HYDE/KALDUR'AHM/AQUALAD IS BACK

I think this was already leaked. But someone said he might be gay

 

[aly]

I think this was already leaked. But someone said he might be gay

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Yep. His mom and he talk about his boyfriend.

 

[Poodlestrike]

I think this was already leaked. But someone said he might be gay

Newsarama preview says yes, definitely.

 

[MartyStu]

I think this was already leaked. But someone said he might be gay

Which is fine with me.

This time he can pine over

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Garth instead of Tula. Same difference.

 

[TheFlow]

I only know the character from

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young justice

but as long as he is as cool as his animation counterpart idc what he prefers

 

[Nudull]

Spoiler

Kaldur

is back and gay? Awesome!

Spoiler

We don't get nearly enough LGBT black folks in comics.

 

[Dandy Lyin]

What book is he going to be in?

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Teen Titans?