I'm fairly certain at this point that Rip's family is done for. Time does not want his family alive. At this point, they're just going to go kill Savage not to save the future, but for Snart and the entire journey.
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DC's Legends Of Tomorrow |OT| Macho Man Vandal Savage - Thursdays 8/7c
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I'm fairly certain at this point that Rip's family is done for. Time does not want his family alive. At this point, they're just going to go kill Savage not to save the future, but for Snart and the entire journey.
It should, unless they make the changes very slow.
The team really hasn't done much to stop Vandal at all. If they kill this version of him (who's going back in time with Kendra), well, all the events that he did would still happen. Conquering the world, killing Rip's family, etc.
But who knows, time travel's weird.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Time "We Gotta Explain Shit But It Still Doesn't Make Sense" Force
That promo looks like booty too. And not in the good way. I'm just ready for them to wrap things up and have a nice setup for next season. I do appreciate the writers trying to salvage the season with this episode. I think that I've grown a little tired of this show. It isn't as fun as I expected, and the serious moments almost always fall flat for me. There aren't even any stakes anymore because they just make up something new with time travel to save someone. Carter died. But he reincarnates. Snart was blown up (?) but he's probably floating through the timestream, etc. I'm not expecting "hard sci-fi" or anything like that. It's a comic show about time travel. But they're writing a world where there really aren't any rules at all. They constantly say there are rules, but there aren't.
It becomes boring because there isn't any sense of dangers for the characters, and they're not even coming up with creative methods of getting out of these supposedly tense moments. The ship's computer teleported itself into another system or whatever and came up with the big breakout plan. They couldn't even let the characters have that moment for themselves. Snart is a master thief and Sara is a trained assassin...they're literally the best people in the world for breaking into a place undetected, and they didn't even come up with the breakout plan.
Maybe production was rushed. Even getting Snart to his big sacrifice moment was a bit of a stretch. Ray is the computer guy, so he would be the one to mess around with The Oculus (Hey, Karen Gillan). That's fine. But then you have to make Mick knock Ray out. And then Snart knock Mick out. Snart isn't going to sacrifice himself for Ray, but he would for Mick. Almost like they couldn't come up with a reason for Snart to sacrifice himself, so they put Mick in danger. And they couldn't come up with a reason for Mick to be in danger that would also kill off the oculus, so they put Ray in danger. It's weird when you think about it.
Fuck this made me laugh so hard. I cant wait for his dead son and wife to tell him to set a bunch.
Frank the Great
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When the show starts off, Savage has already conquered the world.
Yet, the Time Masters let Rip go back in time and manipulate his crew in an effort to . . . allow Savage to conquer the world? They could have just, you know, made sure Rip didn't do anything.
I don't get.
Yet, the Time Masters let Rip go back in time and manipulate his crew in an effort to . . . allow Savage to conquer the world? They could have just, you know, made sure Rip didn't do anything.
I don't get.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
What? Of course that's kinda possibly important...
Even though their past selves are still apparently walking around the timeline doing stuff like fixing time ships so there's no reason Nora would be forgetting Milton etc.
The Occolus Rift even showed Rip having The Atom blowing up the Occulus successfully. Their mastery of the timeline's suspect.
Closed time loop? It would only work because he went back in time?
He is DC's Clara Osvald now
Calm waterfall
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Snart noooooooooooooo. Dammit.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
There are no strings on him
So if we're thinking Thanagarian invasion in 2175 as the plot for season two, does that influence who we think the mystery hero will be? I'm still rooting for Alan Scott. Guessing S2 will be able the team uniting against Thanagar in absence of Savage.
Also let's all be happy for an excuse to keep the Hawks around, not like this episode was really helped by minimizing their presence...
Also let's all be happy for an excuse to keep the Hawks around, not like this episode was really helped by minimizing their presence...
Adam Strange?
Seven Force
Banned
Still banking on Alan Scott being the mystery hero. Assuming he is, I'm curious to see how he figures into things.
BodiesWithoutOrgans
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I hated heatwave on flash now I love the character
Wont't be 2175, the timeline being out of sync will probably cause the Thanagarians to attack earth in Modern Day time. It would also make for the perfect crossover episode between the 3(4?) shows.
Yes, but on one hand it would be strange to see the others ignoring an alien invasion.
Cape.
Because a running trends in alt earths/timelines is that Cold is a good guy. Even the normal version when things get dicey.
Great episode, I'm hoping for a great season ending. As for S2, I really hope they will bring Constantine to be a full member of a new crew.
Fail Rip, fail.
Fail Rip, fail.
Jorok Goldblade
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Miles Quaritch
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Feels like they'll find a way to undo Snart's sacrifice next episode.
Wag
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I get the sense they'll just make them human appearing aliens with no wings or flight powers because it would cause too much confusion with Hawkman/Hawkwoman already on the show.
My sister and I got to the episode where Kendra is about to kill Vandal with her bracelet mace and doesn't because of reasons. My sister says she's pretty much done with the show. 
Carter continues to be the worst. My love for Shayera in JU/JLU means I keep hoping Kendra will become awesome but so far...
Carter continues to be the worst. My love for Shayera in JU/JLU means I keep hoping Kendra will become awesome but so far...
My sister and I got to the episode where Kendra is about to kill Vandal with her bracelet mace and doesn't because of reasons. My sister says she's pretty much done with the show.
Carter continues to be the worst. My love for Shayera in JU/JLU means I keep hoping Kendra will become awesome but so far...
They sort of retroactively justify everything dumb in the plot
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
That was my guess too since that meteor hasn't been explained fully yet. Their wings just sorta manifest whenever they fight, so it isn't going to be any more expensive to do more like them.
I agree with all of this. I love the superhero team-up concept of the show but framing it around a time travel AND magic reincarnation plot is fraught with so many holes that it degrades the integrity of the show.
Fighting Savage felt like a waste of time in most episodes, because the time travel setup meant our heroes either won completely or the fight ended in a stalemate that would be reset in each time period. Trying to degrade Savage's power throughout history is just too complex to pull off.
The show has had some bright moments though and the framework is all there. I hope they pivot away from time travel plots and do something more linear for season 2. Who knows, season 2 could see a Gotham-like turnaround in quality.
kylecoley182
Banned
Could blackest night ever happen ?
PHOENIXZERO
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Going back to the first time Chronos spoke it's now pretty obvious it was then that it was Mick's voice.
I was hoping he would drop it for those heart to hearts with Sara.If they make Snart come back I hope that incident will fix his speech...so tired of him rolling/streching every 2 words when he is talking
My hope is for a season of Flash to be Underworld Unleashed, our speedster needs a magical threat.
I like things that click into place on rewatch.
panthapanda
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Same. I couldn't take how awful the show was at first but it got better. RIP was arguably the worst character at first but he's tolerable now.
Ray on the other hand...
#1.16 "Legendary" 1-Minute Promo
Ray is fine, it's Kendra dragging him down. It's fun seeing the Boy Scout get kicked in the teeth over and over.
Ray is fine, it's Kendra dragging him down. It's fun seeing the Boy Scout get kicked in the teeth over and over.
I'm catching up. I love the one-armed Oli Queen but it's dumb that his hair is literally the same just a bit of gray. He should have the goatee/beard all the time though, looks so much better in costume.
The Slade Wilson son casting is spot on too. Something about the way his mouth moves is so Manu Benett.
edit: Episode 9 was legit amazing. I really hate seeing Snart and Rory fight.
The Slade Wilson son casting is spot on too. Something about the way his mouth moves is so Manu Benett.
edit: Episode 9 was legit amazing. I really hate seeing Snart and Rory fight.
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