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DC's Legends Of Tomorrow |OT| Macho Man Vandal Savage - Thursdays 8/7c
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Nope, the first two times he reincarnated again. The final time he was killed by Hawkgirl so he's dead dead.
So now the only change is everything after savage kills Rips family, Since the savage they killed had already destroyed shit, they didn't prevent any of that. So original mission failed. But they prevented the destruction of time.
That was my immediate feeling, it made this episode feel packed, but also felt like things were super glossed over.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Best EP since the Chronos reveal. Uneven season tho I think half of it was finding their niche in the lineup. Glad that Savage and the Hawkpeeps are done.
Except they didn't kill the Savage from 2021. They killed 2166 Savage
Indeed, but it wouldn't make sense for him to live until 2166 if Eobard came from there. So for the moment, I think he got erased 2021 going forward.
Good finale! I was impressed at the explanation of the Thanagarian tech = ancient Egypt meteor which gave the 3 their Hawk and reincarnation powers. I recall two unrelated Hawk origins - both Egyptian and Thanagarian (JL animated). Is this the first attempt to reconcile both?
I'm still not sure how they will invent an explanation of how Snart can come back. It seemed they visited him in that bar in an earlier time than the events of this series which lead to his sacrifice. So in 2016, he's dead.
Didn't understand how Kendra's helmet note worked. Its the exact same helmet that Rip had on one of his shelves? Oh, never mind. Just a time travel show after all.
Surprised at Hourman's appearance (I've heard of Hourman but had to google to realize who that was) and the JSA mention. Is next season starting in fall, or January again?
I'm still not sure how they will invent an explanation of how Snart can come back. It seemed they visited him in that bar in an earlier time than the events of this series which lead to his sacrifice. So in 2016, he's dead.
Didn't understand how Kendra's helmet note worked. Its the exact same helmet that Rip had on one of his shelves? Oh, never mind. Just a time travel show after all.
Surprised at Hourman's appearance (I've heard of Hourman but had to google to realize who that was) and the JSA mention. Is next season starting in fall, or January again?
Back in October.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Wait wasn't there in the previews a scene where the Flash was taking out Savage goons in a warehouse or something? Did we not get that scene at all???
Jorok Goldblade
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Not the first, but its considerably less messy than previous attempts.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
That seemed to be the dumb part. It had the same rank thingie on it, so it had to be the same helmet? Or was there something else that would have made it obvious to her that this specific helmet was the one that would have been the one Rip had.
Then again, if the Time Masters needed Savage to exist because he beats off the alien invasion, does the fact that Rip still exists after killing Savage means that humanity was able to beat them off without Savage after all? Time travel is dumb. lol
That trailer was a presentation made for the network as an example of the show and later repurposed into a show preview, it was never part of the final footage of the show.
Black Mask
People like Wildcat and Jonah Hex too small for the history books? And he seems to be coming from the future, so Oliver probably leads to Justice Society.
BluenoseGames
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That was a good finale and thank god Kendra and Carter left ...
Time for a season review!
1 - Pilot part 1 - 4/5 stars
Fun pilot, some rushed exposition but understandable considering the set ups were all done in previous Flash/Arrow episodes.
2 - Pilot part 2 - 5/5
Best intro. Really nailed the superhero team-up concept with its two big set pieces and interesting character pairings. Carter's death brought some stakes to the game.
3 - Blood Ties - 3/5
This is when some of the plot holes started pulling down the show, and it's also when I was still concerned about the plot making sense lol. Savage making immortal henchmen was a great plot idea but never came to anything.
4 - White Knights - 3/5
Worth it just to watch Captain Cold swag all over Stephanie Corneliussen. A good episode too.
5 - Fail-Safe - 3/5
A satisfying conclusion to the two-parter in 1986. Chronos starts to lose his appeal as he only seems to show up to make our heroes run away or crash land somewhere.
6 - Star City 2046 - 2/5
The first episode to leave me unsatisfied. Squandered a great opportunity to show an interesting alternate future Star City. The plot was rushed and inconsequential.
7 - Marooned - 3/5
Heat Wave cements his status as the best LoT character. His final "death" scene was surprisingly emotional.
8 - Night of the Hawk - 3/5
Good on the episode to not shy away from the social issues of the time. This is also when Ray/Kendra starts in earnest and will annoy me until episode 14.
9 - Left Behind - 4/5
The Chronos reveal and final third make this one of the best LoT episodes. My only regret is that we didn't get to see Mick play the bad guy for longer.
10 - Progeny - 2/5
Nothing really memorable. A lot of world building and Per Degaton stuff that had no bearing on the timeline.
11 - The Magnificent Eight - 1/5
Another squandered side episode with not nearly enough Jonah Hex, instead the episode wasted time on the dismal Kendra/Ray/Carter love triangle. The Hunters looked like xtreme sports rejects and had no menace or impact.
12 - Last Refuge - 3/5
The Pilgrim was a really cool villain, but knowing that she'd never succeed in killing the past self of any of the characters took away the tension.
13 - Leviathan - 3/5
Finally the Savage plotline gets moving, and gives us giant robots and magic maces. Kendra continues to be completely ineffective in actually killing Savage, and Carter simply isn't developed or likeable enough to make saving him a sensible decision. I've fallen for Jessica Sipos and her liquid gold voice.
14 - River of Time - 4/5
Leaving Savage alive turns out to be the best thing for the show, as he gets to play puppet master and manipulate all of the characters from his cell.
15 - Destiny - 5/5
The Time Master meddling comes to a head in an action-packed episode with a strong theme. We finally get a glimpse of Snart/Sara, the couple we really wanted, before Snart takes one for the team.
16 - Legendary - 4/5
A strong finish, the show jettisons its weakest elements and delivers the promise of greater things to come.
Now that I think about it, most of the episodes were average to good. It was only really the Ray/Kendra stuff that dragged them down, and the DC cameo episodes like future Ollie and Jonah Hex were too crammed to let their characters shine.
The show looks to be headed in the right direction. The introduction of the JSA is a huge boon. Give us a compelling villain from the start, and romantic couples with actual chemistry (the glimpses of Snart/Sara were infinitely more fun than the dreary flip-flopping of Ray/Kendra) and this show could witness a Gotham-level upswing in quality for season 2.
1 - Pilot part 1 - 4/5 stars
Fun pilot, some rushed exposition but understandable considering the set ups were all done in previous Flash/Arrow episodes.
2 - Pilot part 2 - 5/5
Best intro. Really nailed the superhero team-up concept with its two big set pieces and interesting character pairings. Carter's death brought some stakes to the game.
3 - Blood Ties - 3/5
This is when some of the plot holes started pulling down the show, and it's also when I was still concerned about the plot making sense lol. Savage making immortal henchmen was a great plot idea but never came to anything.
4 - White Knights - 3/5
Worth it just to watch Captain Cold swag all over Stephanie Corneliussen. A good episode too.
5 - Fail-Safe - 3/5
A satisfying conclusion to the two-parter in 1986. Chronos starts to lose his appeal as he only seems to show up to make our heroes run away or crash land somewhere.
6 - Star City 2046 - 2/5
The first episode to leave me unsatisfied. Squandered a great opportunity to show an interesting alternate future Star City. The plot was rushed and inconsequential.
7 - Marooned - 3/5
Heat Wave cements his status as the best LoT character. His final "death" scene was surprisingly emotional.
8 - Night of the Hawk - 3/5
Good on the episode to not shy away from the social issues of the time. This is also when Ray/Kendra starts in earnest and will annoy me until episode 14.
9 - Left Behind - 4/5
The Chronos reveal and final third make this one of the best LoT episodes. My only regret is that we didn't get to see Mick play the bad guy for longer.
10 - Progeny - 2/5
Nothing really memorable. A lot of world building and Per Degaton stuff that had no bearing on the timeline.
11 - The Magnificent Eight - 1/5
Another squandered side episode with not nearly enough Jonah Hex, instead the episode wasted time on the dismal Kendra/Ray/Carter love triangle. The Hunters looked like xtreme sports rejects and had no menace or impact.
12 - Last Refuge - 3/5
The Pilgrim was a really cool villain, but knowing that she'd never succeed in killing the past self of any of the characters took away the tension.
13 - Leviathan - 3/5
Finally the Savage plotline gets moving, and gives us giant robots and magic maces. Kendra continues to be completely ineffective in actually killing Savage, and Carter simply isn't developed or likeable enough to make saving him a sensible decision. I've fallen for Jessica Sipos and her liquid gold voice.
14 - River of Time - 4/5
Leaving Savage alive turns out to be the best thing for the show, as he gets to play puppet master and manipulate all of the characters from his cell.
15 - Destiny - 5/5
The Time Master meddling comes to a head in an action-packed episode with a strong theme. We finally get a glimpse of Snart/Sara, the couple we really wanted, before Snart takes one for the team.
16 - Legendary - 4/5
A strong finish, the show jettisons its weakest elements and delivers the promise of greater things to come.
Now that I think about it, most of the episodes were average to good. It was only really the Ray/Kendra stuff that dragged them down, and the DC cameo episodes like future Ollie and Jonah Hex were too crammed to let their characters shine.
The show looks to be headed in the right direction. The introduction of the JSA is a huge boon. Give us a compelling villain from the start, and romantic couples with actual chemistry (the glimpses of Snart/Sara were infinitely more fun than the dreary flip-flopping of Ray/Kendra) and this show could witness a Gotham-level upswing in quality for season 2.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
I don't think the movies will ever get to the Anti-Monitor, nor could they do a satisfying payoff with a storyline with him (universes being merged, etc.).
It'd even be a great way to get Supergirl into the universe, but I'm not sure they'd want to have one show be totally reliant on the other.
Piku_Ringo
Banned
serenewarfare
Banned
Other three? Only Flash and Arrow are still going. Supergirl ended in April.
Hawkbores: "Actually we're not coming with you"
Very rushed feeling finale, seemed like two episodes crammed into one. Their "timey wimey" explanations are starting to drop to Doctor Who levels, only without the camp factor that allows that show to get away with it.
However, they have ended the Savage/Hawks story, thank fuck, and look to be aiming for a fresh start next season. The first season was certainly very ambitious but also very uneven, mainly owing to the central story not really ever clicking. Luckily they seem to have realised this and jettisoned the weakest parts of the show.
Some promising teases for a semi-rebooted season 2 with the JSA, so roll on.
Very rushed feeling finale, seemed like two episodes crammed into one. Their "timey wimey" explanations are starting to drop to Doctor Who levels, only without the camp factor that allows that show to get away with it.
However, they have ended the Savage/Hawks story, thank fuck, and look to be aiming for a fresh start next season. The first season was certainly very ambitious but also very uneven, mainly owing to the central story not really ever clicking. Luckily they seem to have realised this and jettisoned the weakest parts of the show.
Some promising teases for a semi-rebooted season 2 with the JSA, so roll on.
Gotham's finale is next week too
Oh thought we would just use the one in Community and bump that
Someone is more than welcome to make a new one though.
Also, The Flash/Barry never did end up appearing during this season did he?
serenewarfare
Banned
Ah, forgot about Gotham. My bad.
Well, shit is going to change now boy.
Kinda weird how the hawks were essentially written out. Could've at least tried something else instead of romance only then hanging them when it didn't work out
Maybe Mongul?
Maybe Mongul?
We just keep using the old one maybe?
They kept using their topic last year.
Ah I forgot about the old one. That's probably a better idea.
Was really surprised that they are also sticking with it. I wonder if they just didn't like Ciara.
Probably actually listened to fan reception for once
Tumblr doesn't like Kenter? Carna? YEah, easy to see why they aren't liked.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
No, he's not. He has a deal with the production company of all the Arrowverse shows now and will be appearing on at least the Flash and Legends.
He won't be a series regular, but I'd expect him in multiple episodes.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Both horrible actors.
Show is hardly blessed with talent, but they stand out as the worst.
I'll miss Savage, his actor was very talented
He has to come back for Sara. We need more of their interactions.
I was hoping for Ray to leave myself
He has to redeem himself first.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
How anyone would want to break up the one true ship, Ray and Mick, I have no idea.
But I won't fucking stand for it.
Atomwave/Rick for fucking life. Time to make a god-damn Tumblr.
But I won't fucking stand for it.
Atomwave/Rick for fucking life. Time to make a god-damn Tumblr.
I don't mind their acting. It's just them getting overshadowed by far more interesting and better written characters.
There already is one I assume.
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