That stresses they have underused certain costumes, for instance Sara's White Canary costume. It also seems to confirm that HeatWave is gone due to availability reasons, seeing as he doesn't really get lines in there.
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DC's Legends Of Tomorrow |OT| Macho Man Vandal Savage - Thursdays 8/7c
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That stresses they have underused certain costumes, for instance Sara's White Canary costume. It also seems to confirm that HeatWave is gone due to availability reasons, seeing as he doesn't really get lines in there.
I don't think that confirms it at all. Big jump. Hawkman isn't being shown off and we know he's coming back.
Mega Man's Electric Sheep
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My biggest problem with this show is that it is highly episodic, not "tightly serialized" as the creators describe it. Most episodes the plot stands alone the way an episode of Sliders did, they drop into whatever time period, horribly botch their moronic plans, and the main plot is not advanced at all.
Nobody cares about Hawkman, and he was also just a guest compared to Dominic being a series regular.
Hawkman is given regular billing in his episodes. It's actually Savage who's the guest star.
ThoseDeafMutes
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I don't know why they didn't just instantly regroup and go back in time 72 hours when they figured out exactly where savage lived. Ambush him where he lives, 7 on 1, gg no re. They need to start using time travel intelligently or lay down firm ground rules as to why they can't do stuff like that.
P.S. stop taking hawk girl with you, she blows your cover every damn time
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Jax is too smooth. I loved his scene in the diner.
Dominican Power
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Kendra is beautiful.
Maddocks
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I hate to burst that Constantine bubble but.......
Stallion Dan
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Did I miss what happened with Savage vs Kendra? Last I remember was her hitting him and he smiled.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Don't do it...
Badpsychometry
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Jorok Goldblade
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He got the upper hand, was going in for the kill, then Ray showed up and blasted him out the window.
It's not that different structurally from The Flash and Arrow's villain-of-the-week episodes, but it's a lot more obvious due to the changing location and time periods, and the fact that going further back in time is like hitting the reset button on Savage since he doesn't know about the heroes. The two-parters like the Soviet Firestorm arc and now this "trapped in the 50s" episode are a good way to make it seem less episodic.
A good way to cover for this is to make the character interactions themselves interesting, and I think Legends mostly does this better than Arrow and Flash. Each character has their own ideals and values and seeing them clash is far more interesting than having a big happy family that gets along all the time leaving characters with nothing to do (see: Arrow).
What this show needs is a worthwhile sub-villain that grows with the heroes over the course of the series. Chronos is supposed to fit the bill but right now he's just a guy that shows up at the end of episodes to throw wrenches in the Legends' plans. It would be nice if he actually had a character and developed a really interesting rivalry with Rip.
Or, if Chronos was a Time Master and not a Bounty Hunter, he could be a great way to introduce the institution of the Time Masters and have a relationship with Rip that precedes the show which is explored in their encounters as well as some flashbacks.
Now that I think about it they really should have done this instead. Big missed opportunity.
Am I the only one really bothered by the over-acting on Kendra and Jax? I've noticed it since Jax was introduced in Flash, but I figured it would go away eventually as the actor got used to the role. Something about his voice just gets me. Kendra's isn't as egregious, and it might just be that her mouth seems to be perpetually open, but something about the way she acts kind of bothers me.
It's a real shame, because Ciara Renee seems to be really cool from following on Twitter, and her voice is BEAUTIFUL, but her characterization of Kendra just isn't doing it for me.
It's a real shame, because Ciara Renee seems to be really cool from following on Twitter, and her voice is BEAUTIFUL, but her characterization of Kendra just isn't doing it for me.
Mighty Chin
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That's just plain silly. Time Travel doesn't work like that. Everybody knows that.
Mighty Chin
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H E Double Hockey Sticks don't say it.
Jax's actor is actually British, so is accent isn't natural, and it comes off as exaggerated at times.
They plugged this plot hole early on by saying they'd cause a paradox if they went back and interfered in events they'd already interfered with.
That makes a lot of sense, actually. It's probably why his voice can sound off at times, kind of like Detective Lance.
Also: I'm excited to see the Season 2 team, but I must admit that I'm surprised the ratings are good enough. I guess I was under the impression the show wasn't performing particularly well, but I'm glad to see it's doing well enough!
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
I don't know why you'd have that assumption. While yesterday's episode was a series low point in ratings (I think it was one of the only new episodes CW aired all week), it's ratings regularly match or slightly beat Arrow's, the network's second most popular show only to the Flash.
And, in the numbers they released today announcing their renewals, CW actually said the show has higher viewership than Arrow, too.
The show is a success for the network, no matter how you cut it.
ThoseDeafMutes
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You mean like how they went back and showed their faces to Vandal in the 1950s when he only saw the team for the first time in the 70's? What would they have done if they succeeded in their mission, caused a time paradox re: the first couple of episodes? If so why bother attacking him in the 50's if their options were fail, or cause time paradox? And whose perspective are we talking about? If they succeed in killing him in at any point in the 20th or 21st centuries they're going to wind up causing a time paradox since Rip Hunter would have no reason to go back in time to begin with. He wouldn't even be born because the world would be so different.
There's no way you can spin this to make sense.
There no way you can spin time travel to make sense full stop, stop trying. Just accept the stupid chaos.
Like there's more point in delving into the nitty gritty of the multiverse, at least there's a kernel of possibility there.
Much easier to approach women when you have no interest in them.
PHOENIXZERO
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To be fair, it's not like she needed a lot of smooth talking. Serious trauma mode there.
And yeah, it's pretty clear that they're not going to do shit to Savage until they end up going back to after Rip left to go to the past. It's possibly one of the many issues the show has since everything they're doing is inconsequential.
And yeah, it's pretty clear that they're not going to do shit to Savage until they end up going back to after Rip left to go to the past. It's possibly one of the many issues the show has since everything they're doing is inconsequential.
Hey give her a break, a few weeks ago she was just a normal barista.
ThoseDeafMutes
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You can't make time travel fiction realistic, but you can make it internally consistent. You do this by setting out coherent rules, then sticking to them. If you can't intervene in events you already interfered with, meaning that you couldn't attack vandal, fail, and then go back in time a week and attack him earlier before he expects you, then why are they doing exactly that in this episode? The only answer is that it's a plot hole. I don't know why you'd bother trying to act like there aren't much better examples of time travel in fiction than this show. It's a writing problem, not an innate problem with using time travel. Lord knows the CW superhero lineup is already full of other writing problems.
Jorok Goldblade
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I feel like that's going to be a realization sometime in the final run, when they change their focus from preventing Savage's rise to gathering the resources to depose him in the future.
That, or multiversal. Full-on Crisis. Anti-Monitor wrecks the Time Masters as the first step in his quest to destroy the Multiverse, so they turn to Rip Hunter to stop him, upgrading the Waverider to be able to travel across various universes in his mission.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Others have said that, but Rip is supposed to be this elite time master who knows all about the space time continuum and such. If he wasn't aware that he couldn't kill savage, then he comes off like a buffoon since the paradox was apparent even to many audience members.
Then again, he already does come off like a buffoon most eps so I suppose it could happen
kylecoley182
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Tommy for season 2
Jorok Goldblade
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Like I said, Multiverse team for season 2. Earth 2 Tommy can be Red Arrow or something.
TropicalFish
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KonradLaw
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They seem to be going all in forYeah...judging by how Beast looked
I'm sure Frankenstein would be fabulous.
Jonah Hex
BodiesWithoutOrgans
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Most of the cast have to go
Captain Cold
Martin Stein
Sarah
Then bring in
Vixen
Comsentine
If I'm forgetting anyone I just woke up
Is the flash going to be in season 1?
Captain Cold
Martin Stein
Sarah
Then bring in
Vixen
Comsentine
If I'm forgetting anyone I just woke up
Is the flash going to be in season 1?
I'd rather have him on Arrow, his pre-Solomon fight with Oliver was good.
Yes.
dead souls
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I don't know, was Vixen ever a barista?
Cipher Peon
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Just saw the latest episode and LOVED it. One of my faves.
I applaud the subplots for tackling the less than easy subject matter and thought they were all super interesting and at moments really cute. They all combined together with a really crazy fun plan at the end, and every moment was pure gold.
Also AWESOME at the Legends of Tomorrow renewal! Hopefully Rip Hunter dies at the end of the season (along with Savage) so we can end the time travelling stuff. I HATE time travel.
I applaud the subplots for tackling the less than easy subject matter and thought they were all super interesting and at moments really cute. They all combined together with a really crazy fun plan at the end, and every moment was pure gold.
Also AWESOME at the Legends of Tomorrow renewal! Hopefully Rip Hunter dies at the end of the season (along with Savage) so we can end the time travelling stuff. I HATE time travel.
shanafan
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First time lurker in this thread.
After a rocky pilot for me, I have really begun to enjoy this show. I love the time travel element, and I like the team chemistry. My favorite character is Leonard because he has become sympathetic for the team, always putting the team first.
His character reminds me of Prison Break surprisingly. Spoiler for the entire show -
Pretty obvious Mick wasn't taken out by Leonard, and so I hope to see him back soon - always got a kick out his whitty comments. But, I haven't read up on anything about the show, so maybe he is off the show. Happy to hear though that the show was renewed for another season! I was fearful that all these DC shows would find one to bite the dust first, so glad it hasn't happened.
Finally, I wasn't a big fan of Kendra at the beginning but after the 1958 episode, really starting to root for her character.
After a rocky pilot for me, I have really begun to enjoy this show. I love the time travel element, and I like the team chemistry. My favorite character is Leonard because he has become sympathetic for the team, always putting the team first.
His character reminds me of Prison Break surprisingly. Spoiler for the entire show -
I liked how in Prison Break, it really seemed like every villain on the show eventually joined Michael and Lincoln's team. Kellerman, Mahone, and even Bellick. So in a way, I see Leonard portraying that same angle. Being the bad guy, and then becoming the good "bad" guy.
Pretty obvious Mick wasn't taken out by Leonard, and so I hope to see him back soon - always got a kick out his whitty comments. But, I haven't read up on anything about the show, so maybe he is off the show. Happy to hear though that the show was renewed for another season! I was fearful that all these DC shows would find one to bite the dust first, so glad it hasn't happened.
Finally, I wasn't a big fan of Kendra at the beginning but after the 1958 episode, really starting to root for her character.
He's...HIDEOUS!Yeah...judging by how Beast looked
I'm sure Frankenstein would be fabulous.
But he is hideous on the inside. Because someone didn't understand the Disney movie.
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