We didn't review it - a week's too little time - but here's our detailed thoughts on the game.
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Dead or Alive 5 |OT| Put a little bounce in your sidestep!
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DR2K
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http://shoryuken.com/2012/09/25/dead-or-alive-5-lives-up-to-bold-claims/
The only review that matters.
The only review that matters.
jediyoshi
Member
What do you believe are the point of reviews?
Rhazer Fusion
Member
I've had some matches that ran perfect(arguably better than DOA4), but some that ran not so perfect(worst than DOA4), but still quite playable. Right now, I say the online play is solid. I don't think it is as good as TTT2, but so far it is better than Tekken 6. This is the PS3 version btw. Not sure about X360 version.
Lol, the IGN video review is pretty funny, in some screens they have the input display on so you can see the crazy button mashing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AonLCM9z3nU
I don't quite understand this complaint. Does the game completely stop, causing you to restart the console here? Or does it pause in prep for the incoming online match? If its the latter, that's not really a problem. SF4 does this as well (the game hitches when you fight a new challenger, so you basically know not to bother finishing the fight).
Want a laughable review? Check out GameInformer's.
Heh. You almost had me there, but I believe IGN uses the 0.5 scale now.
Gonna wait for a final verdict on online. Seems a bit mixed so far.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
They are opinions, but so many people will treat those "professional" opinions like legitimate facts. I rather play the game to see if it is as good or bad as they are saying. I will read them for information though. I knew some people who refused to try out a game unless it scored at least an 8.0 or higher which is crazy imo.
GhostRidah
Member
Arturo streaming it http://www.twitch.tv/nycfurby
Shoryuken has some info about the day 1 patch, they did (tried to) improve some online issues.
http://shoryuken.com/2012/09/25/dead-or-alive-5-day-1-patch-features-balance-tweaks-and-online-mode-improvements/
http://shoryuken.com/2012/09/25/dead-or-alive-5-day-1-patch-features-balance-tweaks-and-online-mode-improvements/
plagiarize
Banned
If you have no major complaints with the text of a review, just ignore the score. Different reviewers are going to weight different negatives and positives differently. As the reader of the review you can usually tell if a stated negative is going to effect you much or at all. Like for example, if you aren't planning on playing the game online and most negatives are about netcode.
The sooner you can get beyond metacritic averages and what have you, the better. I went through a few years of adjustment to this stuff on GAF and I'm much happier on the side of 'not giving a shit about scores'. Read the text and ignore the score. You'll get a much better idea of if you're likely to enjoy the game yourself, and you won't get so mad about something as trivial as an attempt to distill every element of a game down to a single number.
The sooner you can get beyond metacritic averages and what have you, the better. I went through a few years of adjustment to this stuff on GAF and I'm much happier on the side of 'not giving a shit about scores'. Read the text and ignore the score. You'll get a much better idea of if you're likely to enjoy the game yourself, and you won't get so mad about something as trivial as an attempt to distill every element of a game down to a single number.
Does this really surprise anyone though? Fighting games are so damn hard to get into. That is always going to effect a reviewers opinion. The barrier of entry into the fighting game genre is a valid criticism. It sounds like Skullgirls had the right idea with treating their training mode as the point of entry for brand new players explaining the different concepts of fighting games.
At the very least though, if you guys aren't satisfied with the DoA5 reviews we can all put our faith in DoAX3 in the meantime.
The game literally pauses for about 6-10 seconds. Nothing happens after that. You don't get a match. You don't join anything. There is no prompt to do anything nearly every time. If an actual challenge appeared that would be a different story.
I'm not going to say I base my purchases on reviews only, but certainly these scores will hurt sales. I think the game looks awesome, and I've always enjoyed the DOA franchise, but I will hold off on a purchase until later on. I know everyone who purchased day one will enjoy the game regardless of the naysayers, and whether you personally enjoy the game is all that really matters. Happy fighting!
What's funny is that DOA is one of the easiest games to get into - but that is often a negative point in the reviews.
base shagohod
Member
Quick question guys, thinking about picking this up: can 4 people on the same console play in tag mode?
I got an update when I started the game.
Ken Masters
Banned
For someone who was given TTT2 to review, I really wish I had got DOA5, the series is just so much more fun to play
It appears they may have changed it back to a 100 point scale...
doa5 did indeed receive 8.8 from ign.
[ITA]Wolfgang
Member
It's actually 8.8, whereas Tekken had 7.5
http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/09/25/dead-or-alive-5-review
It was highlighted the fact that it is enjoyable at any skill level, while Tekken was penalized for the opposite.
Ah, thanks for clearing that up.
I don't think reviews will make or break any sales for a fighting game at this point of the generation. Casuals aren't going to pick up this game to see what their shiny new console is capable of and DoA doesn't have the nostalgic value of a Street Fighter or a Tekken. Only DoA fans and fighting game fans in general will care for this game, so streams and tournament footage will sell this game much more than any review.
Castef
Banned
You can't summarize with a bullet-point list the nature of a game which is simply... average. Being an average game is not a defect per-se, and the review clearly states this.
So, if you look at the pro/cons and could not correlate them to the rating this is because they CAN'T justify a rating by themselves.
Well, to me, yes.
Pro and Cons are additional information which can't summarize a review properly.
[ITA]Wolfgang;42523960 said:
This, exactly.
Yep, what's clear to me is that some people here is looking for a comment in the wrong place.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
I installed an update when I first put the game in before I started playing, but I do not know what it did. I also installed the game to my hard drive.
I'm very happy to know that this game seems easy/okay to pick up and play for newcomers. I'm horrible at Fighting games but the learning curve seems very decent for me (hope this is not a bad thing for DoA hardcore fans).
I'll be joining all fellow GAFfers next week on the PS3 with my Collector's Edition, plus getting the CE for ultra cheap was the best news to me. Love when stores honour their prices (misprice or not).
I'm also curious for the Story mode, any news on the lenght of it? Thanks in advance.
I'll be joining all fellow GAFfers next week on the PS3 with my Collector's Edition, plus getting the CE for ultra cheap was the best news to me. Love when stores honour their prices (misprice or not).
I'm also curious for the Story mode, any news on the lenght of it? Thanks in advance.
The perfect Dark
Banned
OMG what a bad netcode, it's lagging like hell
They put
in the story mode!?
Also the story mode is good but story-line-to-fight-wise kinda weak. Like
Edit: I forgot, banned image host. Oh well, let's just say OH MY GOD.
Akira
Also the story mode is good but story-line-to-fight-wise kinda weak. Like
Kokoro and Lisa only fight because Kokoro gets angry at Lisa for berating her, really?
Edit: I forgot, banned image host. Oh well, let's just say OH MY GOD.
To me, that it's just like Skullgirls all over again. XDYou can't summarize with a bullet-point list the nature of a game which is simply... average. Being an average game is not a defect per-se, and the review clearly states this.
(...)
Yep, what's clear to me is that some people here is looking for a comment in the wrong place.
Augemitbutter
Member
some people will pick this game up just to look at the models. can't deny that when reading through the DOA threads.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Playing this game and TTT2 simultaneously is probably not a good idea lol.
You are probably correct, however, if DOA has any advertising campaign, on visuals alone I'm sure it would sell well. Being accessible to casual players is in my opinion a huge plus. When DOA4 was still some what new, my wife played the crap out of it just to unlock costumes, and she does not play games at all. Ever.
ResidentDante
Member
Playing two fighters at the same time is always confusing.
This is an embarassing moment for you.
I'm not interested. That has no relevance to what I said whatsoever.
nycfurby (during a particular online match): Right now, it feels like some MK9 shit.
I trust his opinion on the netcode more than most people in the FGC so this disappoints me. I heard DoA5 gives people a certain trial period before they have to input the online pass so I guess I'll do that. It's time to make it international law that Namco/Arc give all fighting game developers the secrets to their netcode, for the benefit of the greater good.
I trust his opinion on the netcode more than most people in the FGC so this disappoints me. I heard DoA5 gives people a certain trial period before they have to input the online pass so I guess I'll do that. It's time to make it international law that Namco/Arc give all fighting game developers the secrets to their netcode, for the benefit of the greater good.
MrCookiepants
Member
The hell. When did IGN go back to 0.1 increments. It's good they did away with the individual ratings for graphics, sound etc. That always lead to confusion when the overall score didn't reflect the sub-scores.
Also nice that this got a great review from one of the big ones. That Metascore was looking really ugly.
Also nice that this got a great review from one of the big ones. That Metascore was looking really ugly.
Is this universal PS360?
I'm surprised by some of the negative reviews. Have we really shifted to the point where reviewers dock a fighting game for not having a dozens of hours of unlockables? How much does that really matter if the fighting engine is rock solid? I play SC5, SFIV, and VF5 for hundreds of hours because of their mechanics, not because of their single player modes.
nycfurby (during a particular online match): Right now, it feels like some MK9 shit.
I trust his opinion on the netcode more than most people in the FGC so this disappoints me. I heard DoA5 gives people a certain trial period before they have to input the online pass so I guess I'll do that. It's time to make it international law that Namco/Arc give all fighting game developers the secrets to their netcode, for the benefit of the greater good.
Bad netcode will ruin this game for me. I'm hesitant to double-dip on it now. Might keep the 360 copy I get from Amazon sealed, but I know as soon as I get home it will be torn open and installed ASAP. SCV and TTT2 really raised the bar for netcode in 3D fighters, though.
Nofi plays on PS3, that site he linked/writes for is a PS3 fansite.
And if the fight request is what is causing lock-ups, that's weird. But then again I've gotten lock-ups simply playing offline, so I don't think that's the specific cause for leaving it on and going into an offline versus match. :/
Honestly guys: The netcode isn't too bad when you get a good connection. I think it's the same as most other fighting games: depends on who you're connecting to. But the fact the game doesn't slow down/"lag itself" in lag pisses me off. That's the one good thing DOA2U/DOA4 both had and why I regard those as THE best netcode for 3D fighters and Tecmo/Team Ninja just rips that out? Seriously?
DR2K
Banned
Half the reviewers are saying it's too technical and the other half is saying it isn't enough. The tutorial couldn't be more simple. That requires actually playing the game though.