Dear Bungie...

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Ramirez

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Fix your fuckin glitched ass game :|

Seriously,we had some guys capture the flag 3 times on Coagulation in less than 30 seconds,then the next game another set of cheaters.Its fucking awful and just ruining the fun because you never know if you're gonna get a straight match.

It can't be that fuckin hard can it?
 
What?I'd like to be able to compete in clan matches and test my skill against other people,not just have to play a custom game with my friends all the time...

I'd still like an explanation from a cheater on why the fuck they do it in the first place,let's waste 50 bucks so we can fuckin play this and cheat and win every game without even killing anyone! ugh

As far as how they accomplished it,I don't know the proper names for the cheats,but from what I gather they somehow make 2 of themselves, and one is invisible or something like that,it sounds so complicated to me I can't imagine how it even got discovered.
 
Ramirez said:
from what I gather they somehow make 2 of themselves, and one is invisible or something like that,it sounds so complicated to me I can't imagine how it even got discovered.
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Dude, you're playing with witches.
 
Ramirez said:
Fix your fuckin glitched ass game :|

Seriously,we had some guys capture the flag 3 times on Coagulation in less than 30 seconds,then the next game another set of cheaters.Its fucking awful and just ruining the fun because you never know if you're gonna get a straight match.

It can't be that fuckin hard can it?
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I agree.


p.s. I think Bungie is totally overrated as a game development house. they're good, but not THAT good. Namco is far better IMO.
 
I'm actually considering selling this game if they're not gonna address these exploits soon
 
the reason why they haven't been fixed so quickly:

Bungie people are JUST starting to arrive back from the vacations they took after finishing the game.

It will probably be about another 2 weeks (since there is patch certification required to go through) before the glitches (or at least, the majority of them) are fixed
 
The greatest part was when the second team in the lobby tried to justify their cheating. These people are fucking cowards. You have to cheat in an online VIDEO GAME just to feel good about yourself. How can you be scared of losing that much? Even when i lose a hard fought game i feel some satisfaction. I really can't believe how many people/clans are doing this, too. It's very dissapointing.
 
The glitches I know of on Coagulation are

- snipe people guarding the flag inside the base from the ridge. (dunno how the fuck they do this yet)

- grab the flag from the bottom with the help of a vehicle (a little piece of the flag sticks through the floor)

-throwing the flag to an invisible player on top of the base from the flag room (who then teleports to a waiting warthog). I don't want to even say how to do this because it's not as prevelant yet (not as many people know how to do it yet), but it's annoying as hell.

I've heard there are people that can sink/rise through the building, but I haven't seen it first hand.

And then there are the ones for every other map...I don't know how hard it would be to fix all of these, but I wish they would get on it.
 
Xbox connect cannot stop these cheats either.

FYI, it DOES require the player to "duplicate" themselves. I won't say how, (there's enough fuckheads out there doing this already) but they have a "ghost" body that gets the flag and is invisible to all. To stop it, you have to kill the ACTUAL body back at the base, but its usually well-hidden/guarded.

I have lost a lot of faith in Bungie. They ARE over-rated. In all the recent interviews (EGM for example) they act like most of the cheats are NOT fixable. And if they are, its a lot of work. Well shit, I seriously doubt there's a LEGIT Halo 2 player out there who would say, "Aw yeah, don't worry about it. Those cheats don't need to get fixed if they're THAT much work. Just go make another game and we'll make due with Halo 2 as is."

Yeah right. The worst of it isn't even the ghost cheat. Its the fuckers that know how to make YOUR WHOLE TEAM lag while they have perfect connections. Its such bullshit. It irritates the fuck out of me to the point where I don't want to play Halo 2 anymore. My only satisfaction is owning most of the nerds who talk shit to me and then rubbing it in their faces. Thank god they don't ALL know how to cheat.

If you go on Bungie's Zanzibar forum, there's a running list of cheaters being reported. Wether anything is actually getting done about it is beyond me, but its worth a look. People are saying that over half the top clans are cheaters/standby abusers. How depressing.
 
TheDuce22 said:
Does this cheat require modding your xbox? How is it even possible on xbl?
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I don't think so. Which is funny since supposedly they beefed up their security to ban modchip users. Too bad they forgot that people might exploit bugs within the game!


I agree Uno. Seriously, what the hell Bungie? That EGM interview said that they were aware of that flag through wall cheat for like a year but they didn't bother to fix it? What bullshit. If I had known, I wouldn't have bought this game
 
doncale said:
p.s. I think Bungie is totally overrated as a game development house. they're good, but not THAT good. Namco is far better IMO.
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Namco? Are you kidding? Mind you, I'm not saying either is better, but that seems like a completely random comparison.
 
Rorschach said:
The glitches I know of on Coagulation are

-throwing the flag to an invisible player on top of the base from the flag room (who then teleports to a waiting warthog). I don't want to even say how to do this because it's not as prevelant yet (not as many people know how to do it yet), but it's annoying as hell.
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That really isn't a glitch/cheat unless the invisible person got that way without picking up the shield. As for stealing the flag from under the base.... it's a bitch if they get away with it but I've head some great times tossing nades under vehicles and killing 3 people at once.
 
For what its worth, i have reported all the cheaters i have encountered so far to bungie.
Now its up to bungie to actually get these people off of LIVE.
 
Kuroyume said:
That really isn't a glitch/cheat unless the invisible person got that way without picking up the shield.
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These invisible players aren't cloaked--they actually don't exist in anyone else's game. They're a ghost player that can run around outside of their body (as in, the place where the server thinks they are).
 
I havent played Halo 2 online in nearly a month because of it... I have a bad taste in my mouth from Unreal Championship still.

Edit: dont bet on the cheaters getting banned. A) MS wants their money too. B) They arent technically doing anything 'wrong'. They are exploiting bugs that exist within the game, they ARE asshats, but Im not sure MS can ban someone for doing stuff the game lets you do.
 
Uno Ill Nino said:
Yeah right. The worst of it isn't even the ghost cheat. Its the fuckers that know how to make YOUR WHOLE TEAM lag while they have perfect connections. Its such bullshit. It irritates the fuck out of me to the point where I don't want to play Halo 2 anymore.
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I friggin' HATE that. I've actually dropped two levels with consecutive cheater filled games. I see everyone on my team has red and everyone on theirs has green and it pisses me off so fucking much. They can't even let me enjoy the damn game anymore. And all you can do is optimatch and hope for the best. It's BS.

I was gonna say something about testing the game, but I figured they were under tremendous pressure to get the game out ASAP. I haven't read the EGM interview, but if they knew about these things and still let them through, that's horse shit. Why even bother testing the game?
 
trippingmartian said:
Bungie is actually logging these impossible flag captures, so these people will probably be banned at some point.
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I hope you're right. If this does happen, then my hats off to Bungie. But they still gotta fix this shit!
 
If they ban the people glitching, they will ban about 75% of their community. Rarely are there games with no glitching. It's part of the game now. They relay on the mic which cheat they will use this time. It's so lame.
 
You also have to consider that some innocent people have ended up on teams with cheaters. I've have been in many random games with cheaters and I can't control what they do all time. If someone is going to report people then they better make sure to report the actual cheating players and not everyone on the team.
 
Any1 said:
I completely agree, cause no one ever cheats on those games.

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Remarkably, it's not nearly as rampant as Halo 2. There are also servers you can trust and frequent. There's also admin control, anti-cheats, etc. I haven't really seen much cheating in CS:S. 1.6 is a lost cause, though.
 
StoOgE said:
B) They arent technically doing anything 'wrong'. They are exploiting bugs that exist within the game, they ARE asshats, but Im not sure MS can ban someone for doing stuff the game lets you do.
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SEGA got hardcore and started banning accounts on PSO when people started duping even though it was an exploit. They issued a bunch of warnings and such, then started banning people. Not to say it had much of an effect, but it is or was done.
 
StoOgE said:
I havent played Halo 2 online in nearly a month because of it... I have a bad taste in my mouth from Unreal Championship still.

Edit: dont bet on the cheaters getting banned. A) MS wants their money too. B) They arent technically doing anything 'wrong'. They are exploiting bugs that exist within the game, they ARE asshats, but Im not sure MS can ban someone for doing stuff the game lets you do.
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Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you may not use the Service in any manner that could damage, disable, overburden, or impair the Service (or the network(s) connected to the Service) or interfere with any other party’s use and enjoyment of the Service.
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yeah, i think they have that covered...

http://www.xbox.com/en-us/live/termsofuse.htm
 
Play Counterstrike and you'll feel better.

Also, according to Bungie, taking advantage of glitches in the map isn't considered cheating.

My favorite moment is seeing a guy get bitched out BY HIS OWN TEAMMATES for cheating after a game of Team Slayer. :lol

I've played a lot of Onslaught in UT2k4, and I've never noticed any cheating there.
 
well i posted a complete and accurate description of how to perform the instant capture ghost cheat in the clan forum. it's fucking stupid, I've tested it in custom games and it works, and you can arrange it so that you can set it up 1 time and get 3 instant flag captures on blood gulch. Oh, and please nobody crie about telling people how to perform the glitch, it seems everybody already knows and I'd actually prefer that more people knew so it upped the urgency, cause it's already nearly intolerable.

fucking fix it bungie. Oh yeah, the ghost player can also assasinate you. sucks.
 
I had a string of games over a few nights last week that were ruined by cheaters, and I've not played since. HL2-DM will do fine for now.
 
Shouldn't these cheats be easy to fix as XBox has a hard drive? What can be so damn hard about fixing these things? It's not like they are trying to finish development of a new game..
 
someone mind telling me what I have to do to cancel my XBL subscription?

It runs out in a few days, and I don't feel like paying for a shit game any longer.
 
Just think of how many bugs and glitches were found in GTA, yes it's a single player game so it's not as big of a deal, but the point is, when you have millions of people playing/testing your game bugs you never dreamed of are going to be found. The thing that's really annoying about Halo 2's cheats though is that they're just glitches and thus are relatively easy to perform, and ANYBODY can do it with the knowledge, no LEET programs are needed.

And this is exactly why MS is absolutely RETARDED when it comes to their whole feedback mechanism. All you have to do is have a reputation category that exists across all Live games where feedback actually affects you, and then you play with people with a similar reputation as you. From that, cheaters/glitchers/rank-whores/droppers would get matched with their kind and leave the rest of us to play the game in peace. But MS refuses to make its service really good and people have to deal with BS like this as a result. Very frustrating indeed.
 
Ramirez said:
Fix your fuckin glitched ass game :|

Seriously,we had some guys capture the flag 3 times on Coagulation in less than 30 seconds,then the next game another set of cheaters.Its fucking awful and just ruining the fun because you never know if you're gonna get a straight match.

It can't be that fuckin hard can it?
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They're in the process of a) banning people like crazy for this - report them on the dedicated thread at b.net - and working on a fix.
 
I'm looking for the link but Bungie did refer to another glitch that they are going to fix. This is in reference to the dummying glitch. Link coming.

http://www.bungie.net/News/TopStory.aspx?story=weeklywhatsdec30

I just watched a video of an instant flag capture in Halo 2. This guy simply stood by his own flag base and was able to do a one-second flag capture. It was weird. Is this happening in games? Are you guys going to fix it?

Although it can technically happen in a game, it requires exactly as much setup and cooperation as an actual flag capture and is therefore not really being seen in Live games. That said, it IS a bug and one we intend to address, along with many other commonly seen issues. Watch this space.
 
Karg said:
Although it can technically happen in a game, it requires exactly as much setup and cooperation as an actual flag capture and is therefore not really being seen in Live games. That said, it IS a bug and one we intend to address, along with many other commonly seen issues. Watch this space.
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What they fail to mention of course, is that it's impossible to defend against, unlike an actual flag capture.
 
Christ, you people bitching at Bungie need to calm down. It's impossible to release any game with a major online component and have it be completely bug-free. Hell, I consider Blizzard to be the best in the business when it comes to bug-testing and releasing complete games (MMORPGs aside) and their latest release (Warcraft III) was plagued with numerous online glitches and bugs that were impossible to tell beforehand, and weren't revealed until people seriously started to play the game competitively. (War 3 vanilla basically became a game of who could build the biggest army of treants - not fun).

Now, if Bungie doesn't fix the problem at all, then that's a whole other story.
 
Also, according to Bungie, taking advantage of glitches in the map isn't considered cheating.
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What a load of fucking bull. Luckily I still havent come across many cheaters (I think it was pulling the flag through the stair wall trick on zanzibar that i've seen), but if I keep encountering these cuntbuckets as I become a higher level then I may just cancel my Live subscription since Halo 2 is the only one to have gripped me.
 
Christ, you people bitching at Bungie need to calm down. It's impossible to release any game with a major online component and have it be completely bug-free.
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Nobody expected that. They just expect Bungie to put a little effort into fixing the problems that are completely ruining the game for many, many players. I think what has us most annoyed is that Bungie sounds like they know about all these problems, but don't sound real convincing like they're going to DO anything about it. Hell, they don't even sound all that committed to downloadable content in the game's future. They've hinted at the idea of new maps, but I expect more.

They've been tight-lipped about EVERYTHING with Halo 2. The fucking game is out. Now is not the time for secrets anymore. The only thing I can see them being quiet about is that they don't plan on supporting the game much. They said in an interview once (wish I remembered where cuz I'd KILL to have that link now) that they like to move on to new projects once current ones are finished. Somebody had asked them about dl content for Halo 2 and that was their answer.

All I know is that Ubisoft set the standard for support/content dl with Rainbow Six 3 over a year ago. Halo 2 is Xbox's MAIN GAME. Bungie and MS should be matching R63's support at the very least and so far I'm not seeing it. Ubisoft showed 'em how its done and so far they've just been content to sit back and not say anything.
 
Yea I knew there would be glitches,but it just seems like Bungie is fuckin sitting there with a thumb up their ass.Read the EGM interview,they knew about the flag grabbing through the walls,but they didn't fix it,and when they talk about the dummy glitch they act like it isn't cheating.When I'm in the fuckin based being killed by some invisible fuck that isn't even really there and then they proceed to capture the flag 3 times in like 10 seconds,that is fucking cheating.

I guess people do this to get their rank up,but what the fuck does that matter when in actuality you suck complete shit at the game?We played the same group of cheaters again last night in Assault/Waterworks and we destroyed them.
 
If you have the people to play with, just play with your friends with system link. I play with 12 people every saturday. It's a hella lot of fun and there is no cheating. Online, there are always those queers who have to cheat to win. (The reason I'm not getting xbox live - Fags who ruin the fun.)
 
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