$3.6 billion. And $1.2 billion of it went to employee retention pay outs to keep them motivated to stick around to make games.
dead horse?
I'm just a gamedev with two decades of working experience in the industry, including a top mobile gaming company, GaaS games and a top AAA publisher. And due to this, with many friends and former coworkers in tons of related companies (including top GaaS and AAA ones, like Sony). And try to explain how things work.I am having a hard time deciding if you're trying to be reasonable and give them the benefit of the doubt because you are kind and innocent and see the simple good in things, or if you're just another clueless corporate apologist who honestly thinks Sony is giving this an earnest effort for the right reasons because you guzzle from the fountain of AAA toxicity...
Nah, pretty likely they'll recoup the investment somewhere between 5-10 years counting since the acquisition. Way faster than acquisitions like the ABK one.
There's no mistery, it's due to their huge success with the Halo games, Destiny 1 and Destiny 2 (which continues having huge numbers), plus promising projects they had in the works and the IP creation / MP / GaaS / FPS related expertise/knowledge/data/tools they could share with the other SIE teams working in similar projects.
I am having a hard time deciding if you're trying to be reasonable and give them the benefit of the doubt because you are kind and innocent and see the simple good in things, or if you're just another clueless corporate apologist who honestly thinks Sony is giving this an earnest effort for the right reasons because you guzzle from the fountain of AAA toxicity...
I am having a hard time deciding if you're trying to be reasonable and give them the benefit of the doubt because you are kind and innocent and see the simple good in things, or if you're just another clueless corporate apologist who honestly thinks Sony is giving this an earnest effort for the right reasons because you guzzle from the fountain of AAA toxicity...
ArtHands
.. just ignore him.. guy is a massive shill and bullshitter
When you watch the longform deep dive video essays about it on youtube, it's some kind of scheme between individuals at Sony and Bungie to cash out. This didn't happen out of interest for Sony the company. Any formal and honest analysis of Bungie by Sony would have stopped that acquisition on Day 1(for that range of asking price). You're literally buying nothing but the Destiny IP and the Bungie IP. The crazy thing is, at the end Pete was systematically removing the remnants of the senior OG talent. There's a Wolf of Wall Street quality movie in here if all the truth ever comes out. It's a wild ride. While I obviously hate what he did to Bungie as a fan of their games, Parsons is highly effective at enriching himself. He tore through Bungie effortlessly and somehow how scored a critical blow on fucking Sony of all people on the dismount. Just ripping hundreds and hundreds of millions for himself without having on single thing to do with any of the actual games that Bungie made. Masterful. I'm sure all the senior Halo guys are too rich and fucked up from being rich to really care, but I would want to do really bad things to someone who did that to a company that art built.
My thought exactly
We'll all have to see.
It happened many times before, including at Bungie. Not a big deal, they replace the assets, compensate the artist and issue fixed.
The stolen artist didn't invent that aesthetics, there are thousands of artists who used it before. Nobody owns it and nobody is the only single creator. They don't need to change the aesthetics, they'll simply replace the specific stolen assets.
My experience in the industry (plus contacts in many studios, including Sony) helps me to know how certain issues are handled, the amount of effort they normally take, and in what period of the gamedevelopment each thing is done.
Sony didn't promise any Bungie specific metric to the investors. The most similar thing was to say they were/are targeting to release Marathon this fiscal year, and it's what they'll try to do.
They won't change Marathon's direction. Almost all the points they highlighted in the delay note that will be the areas where they'll focus until release are things they already had planned to focus on during that period.
Nah, so far their first party revenue is aprox. twice as big it was before they started releasing GaaS and push harder in PC, and they are more profitable.
The only winners in all of this are the owners who got the money and bailed.
We can agree to disagree here because it is a huge deal especially at Bungie since they are repeat offenders
Because they are making an extraction shooter? And they made that game you are describing several times 20 odd years ago.
Yes, acquisitions often take longer than 10 years to be recouped, specially in really big ones (example: ABK). Some of them never are recouped (example: Firewalk).
It's dumb to call it a terrible acquisition, it did cost $2.4B and should be making minimum around $700K/year before releasing Marathon, Destiny Rising and later Gummy Bears and the movie/tv show adaptations of their IPs.
A what? This is not something new, a modern day Marathon game should be easy. This is why games like gears of war resonates with the masses, hundreds of hours of gameplay. I think these developers and yes I'm pointing at Bungie because they're at the top of the food chain and this is someone who made HALO 3, marathon is not a real game, google halo 3's campaign, bungie of old would have never allowed this trash we're getting.
Because they need to get some sales. And cancelling a Bungie game looks bad. Bungie has been struggling since Sony acquired them (good on Pete parsons selling at the high). Financials down, fcsts down, 2 or 3 waves of layoffs. Sony even even spliced off around 40 people from Bungie into a new SIE studio, since they didnt trust it under the Bungie brand like other games they made in their history.
Agreed, but you said the other day Reach was a smaller project? Which is it?
Think it comes down to western dev's work culture. Ever since the whole crunch thing a few years ago, seems like nobody is willing to put in the hours. I think you'll see a lot of these devs closing shop or getting shut down these next few years. I'd say its sad but most of them are getting what they deserve.
Didn't it get rebooted when the current director took over a couple of years ago? kinda makes sense that its in this state.
Because the only big games they know how to make and monetize the past decades with DLC and mtx are sci fi shooters. The studio actually made a variety of different kinds of games and genres in their early days before Halo. But when they got popular due to Halo, that's all they kind of know the past 20+ years.
Not saying they couldn't do that but its what the are good at.
Not even Vivian she/her
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They didn't steal the art style.
I think there was around 20k watching when I briefly checked it out. Back in the day I remember these streams pulling 250k+ in Destiny's heyday. I can't see them getting back to anything like that without a D3. D2 fired its last bullet with The Final Shape. Looks like this is the same team that brought us Lightfall, yay.Not even Vivian she/her
They give you a Darth Vader cosmetic bundle along with the $100 pre-order. Therefore we know 100% that this is going to be one lean-ass year of content. A true D3 would be god knows how far away with the rate of game development these days. I guess we'll know in a few weeks for sure just how bad it is.
I personally don't need a full Final Shape type campaign to enjoy the game. But I do think a good yearly campaign is key to bringing back the average player. They haven't done a really good job of selling the new armor system or the weapon tiers. It's a soft sunsetting approach after they decided to undo sunsetting, but they never solved power creep in any meaningful way. Rite of the Nine weapons feel pre-crept already.. why get X weapon when Y weapon in the expansion is already better?
The bullet points suggest refinement, not going back to the drawing board (again).As per the bullet points, they are going back to the drawing board.
Sony executives now:
From what I could see from the alpha, that's a full u-turn.
How so? Im not seeing it.
