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December Wrasslin' |OT2| I dec-declare this territory owned by the Holy Roman Empire
UrbanDandy
Member
But doesn't that descibe how odd the work culture of the WWE is?
The fact that they so proudly display a sign like this
Yet have a sport/artform that requires so much trust between performers is insane.
Otherwise you end up with shit like Hogan and Cena never wanting guys over and demanding the spot.
Shit like Hogan grabbing the belt first at Mania 6 and again stealing the spotlight at 9.
You need guys to sell moves and for them to lose in a way that makes somebody else look good.
Otherwise you get shit like this
Or dudes accidentally on purpose injuring people
Or shit like Nick Patrick not fast counting on the pin at Starcade because Hogan paid him off.
Fox, I love your truth bombs. Keep on preaching.
Jimmy King
Member
Now onto HIAC 2012 against Team Rhodes Scholars. God damn, Sandow's old gimmick was great and so was this team. Should have led to a WHC feud.
Fuck Mizdow.
Fuck Mizdow.
Worse than Amazing Spider-Man 2? Really? I am having trouble picturing a movie that bad that doesn't involve some Videodrome shit.
Not saying the look isn't important (not as important as some make it out to be, but that's another argument altogether.) You touched on my core argument at the end there--I'm worried Trips will carry some neoptism with him when he's in charge. Not in the old sense of you-scratch-my-back-I'll-push-you, but in a way where he needs to prove himself as manager by pushing the people he managed and never pushing/outright burying any of the people he didn't personally approve of, regardless of their talent or suitability for whatever role (jobber, midcarder, main eventer, etc.) That kind of thing happens in Hollywood all the time when new management/producers come in. The new guy will close as many projects the old guy left open as possible because time and effort spent on something with someone else's name on it doesn't benefit the new guy's reputation at all. It's all short-sighted, wasteful mindsets that benefit practically no one all done in the name of pride and insecurity.
Worse, HHH seems like he'll be a less forgiving manager than Vince, the kind of guy who can really carry a grudge and let it affect the business. Out of touch or no, Vince can bury the hatchet over most things when it comes to making money. I don't think HHH has that kind of pragmatic humility in him.
Not saying the look isn't important (not as important as some make it out to be, but that's another argument altogether.) You touched on my core argument at the end there--I'm worried Trips will carry some neoptism with him when he's in charge. Not in the old sense of you-scratch-my-back-I'll-push-you, but in a way where he needs to prove himself as manager by pushing the people he managed and never pushing/outright burying any of the people he didn't personally approve of, regardless of their talent or suitability for whatever role (jobber, midcarder, main eventer, etc.) That kind of thing happens in Hollywood all the time when new management/producers come in. The new guy will close as many projects the old guy left open as possible because time and effort spent on something with someone else's name on it doesn't benefit the new guy's reputation at all. It's all short-sighted, wasteful mindsets that benefit practically no one all done in the name of pride and insecurity.
Worse, HHH seems like he'll be a less forgiving manager than Vince, the kind of guy who can really carry a grudge and let it affect the business. Out of touch or no, Vince can bury the hatchet over most things when it comes to making money. I don't think HHH has that kind of pragmatic humility in him.
UrbanDandy
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sf2fanatic
Member
Forget all this new themes, just play some "My Time" sipping on cofy
Macho Madness
Member
I've seen a few posts on a few different sites on how the Mizdow/Miz is similar to Team Hell No, in that it's what got Daniel Bryan over to the next level and it will obviously work the same for Mizdow.
That's completely wrong, and this is why: The crowd goes completely dead once Mizdow gets in the ring. They don't give a shit about him, they just want him in the ring instead of Miz. Once Mizdow gets in the ring, nobody gives a shit. Mizdow doesn't necessarily suck, but he is a very average wrestler at best. With Hell No, people got excited once Bryan would get in the ring and would go crazy for his wrestling and spots. Completely opposite reaction compared to Mizdow. When you're most "over" when you're outside the ring, that's a big problem and doesn't signify bigger things are on the horizon.
I'm not saying Mizdow deserves to be buried or what have you, but he's in the perfect spot he's in right now, and probably in the best spot he's going to reach. Some guys shine through in smaller roles, and a comedy tag team seems to be the perfect fit for him.
That's completely wrong, and this is why: The crowd goes completely dead once Mizdow gets in the ring. They don't give a shit about him, they just want him in the ring instead of Miz. Once Mizdow gets in the ring, nobody gives a shit. Mizdow doesn't necessarily suck, but he is a very average wrestler at best. With Hell No, people got excited once Bryan would get in the ring and would go crazy for his wrestling and spots. Completely opposite reaction compared to Mizdow. When you're most "over" when you're outside the ring, that's a big problem and doesn't signify bigger things are on the horizon.
I'm not saying Mizdow deserves to be buried or what have you, but he's in the perfect spot he's in right now, and probably in the best spot he's going to reach. Some guys shine through in smaller roles, and a comedy tag team seems to be the perfect fit for him.
Jimmy King
Member
Sandow's original gimmick would have make for a great IC champ, WHC too if that were still a thing.
Macho Madness
Member
The HIGHER POWER REVEAL episode of Raw is now up. Amazing.
Jimmy King
Member
Watching the Survivor Series 2012 match and surprised to hear Otunga's theme hit
Wasn't the stipulation of the Yano/Kenta match that if Yano won Kenta would have to work at his bar for a month? That's how i learned of it
Seeing Los Officiales masks in prominent display is so weird
Cesaro has an opinion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhezF_bZm-E
Marvel
could never
Holy shit, lol.
Dental Plan
Member
I'll be heading to my first ever house show this Tuesday at Staples Center in Los Angeles. I'm really excited to go. My fiancé just started getting into wrestling with me. She has been watching raw and the ppvs with me since Hell in a Cell. She caught on quickly with all the Superstars and feuds.
I don't know how reliable the more info is for the house shows but now it shows Dolph Ziggler and Mizdow on the card. Those are her two favorite wrestlers.
I don't know how reliable the more info is for the house shows but now it shows Dolph Ziggler and Mizdow on the card. Those are her two favorite wrestlers.
Did you buy seats that are right next to each other?
And thus his fall in the company continues...
real_slime
Banned
this is more like it. although i don't know what the it is that it's more like.
I'm legit saddened by his current career stall. Guy was on a trajectory to be one of the GOATS.
Professor Beef
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British Monsoon
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UK PPV prices are rising from £14.99 to £19.99 on Sky for the Royal Rumble and there will be no more 'free' PPVs. Also, doesn't look like NXT will be on Sky any longer. Happy new year, UK WWE fans.
They visit it in the second YTR VTR DVD, tiny place but the food looks pretty nice. Yujiro is a good cook.
Incidentally, I love how all the New Japan factions have to travel together, keeping kayfabe alive - CHAOS & Bullet Club get their own coaches, but poor Suzuki-gun have to squish into a mini-van. The faces have their own coach as well, but there's more of them so it's not as spacious as the CHAOS coach looks.
They visit it in the second YTR VTR DVD, tiny place but the food looks pretty nice. Yujiro is a good cook.
Incidentally, I love how all the New Japan factions have to travel together, keeping kayfabe alive - CHAOS & Bullet Club get their own coaches, but poor Suzuki-gun have to squish into a mini-van. The faces have their own coach as well, but there's more of them so it's not as spacious as the CHAOS coach looks.
Mr. Luchador
Member
Suspension went passenger side on the car, seemingly no garages are open during Christmas. Nice.
You've had it too good for too long, Bootaaay. Been paying 34.95 for HD ROH PPVS over here in Canada.
He should have told them that before, though. Apparently, guys get to hear and either greenlight or say "no" to a them. That's going by the Bray interview on Austin's podcast. Not sure if everyone gets that luxury?
*shrug* AJ was given her theme song one day "hey, you got a new theme song" even though she didn't like it. So I guess not everyone gets that choice.
British Monsoon
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That £19.99 is on top of a Sky subscription, which start at £16 - so in totality, you're paying £36 to watch WWE PPVs every month, which works out to $56 USD or $65 CAD. Bargin! Or, you could just use a VPN to get the WWE Network for $9.99, which works out to £6.41, and tell Sky to get fucked.
Hint: Pick option two.
British Monsoon
Member
Pro-Wrestling Cannonball Run 2014, The Movie;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPn9BRcarig
Oh, this looks ridiculous. Hope someone subs it.
Indeed, but it would be nice if WWE could launch the goddamn Network over here already - not everyone is technically savvy enough to mess around with VPNs and DNS addresses, so they're stuck with Sky or piracy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPn9BRcarig
Oh, this looks ridiculous. Hope someone subs it.
Indeed, but it would be nice if WWE could launch the goddamn Network over here already - not everyone is technically savvy enough to mess around with VPNs and DNS addresses, so they're stuck with Sky or piracy.
FTFY
Also, between this and the 2swiss, I'm figuring Cesaro has been given the green light for this and they might try worked shoot angle with him annoyed at things in the company. Could work well.
British Monsoon
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The first annual Fighting Spirit Magazine Top 50 of the year - this is put together with bell-to-bell performances in mind, so promo work and storyline aren't a factor, but neither is it solely about wrestling skill, but also about charisma, presence, engaging with the crowd and the wrestler's body of work throughout 2014;
01. AJ Styles
02. Kazuchika Okada
03. Shinsuke Nakamura
04. Seth Rollins
05. Tomohiro Ishii
06. Ricochet
07. The Young Bucks
08. Sami Zayn
09. Masaaki Mochizuki
10. Akira Tozawa
11. Tetsuya Naito
12. Hiroshi Tanahashi
13. Cesaro
14. Zack Sabre Jr.
15. Kyle OReilly
16. Katsuyori Shibata
17. Adam Cole
18. Luke Harper
19. Dean Ambrose
20. T-Hawk
21. The Usos
22. Daisuke Sekimoto
23. Sheamus
24. Tomoaki Honma
25. John Cena
26. El Barbaro Cavernario
27. CIMA
28. Daniel Bryan
29. Adrian Neville
30. Minoru Suzuki
31. Dolph Ziggler
32. Austin Aries
33. Jay Briscoe
34. Kota Ibushi
35. Hirooki Goto
36. Randy Orton
37. KUSHIDA
38. YAMATO
39. Masato Yoshino
40. Johnny Gargano
41. Tommy End
42. Rush
43. Big Daddy Walter
44. Eita
45. Roman Reigns
46. Mark Andrews
47. Rey Hechicero
48. Jun Akiyama
49. Rusev
50. Will Ospreay
Nice to see some BritWres guys included, also, HONMA!! The Usos are probably too high and I'd definitely place YAMATO higher, but unsurprisingly I like this list.
01. AJ Styles
02. Kazuchika Okada
03. Shinsuke Nakamura
04. Seth Rollins
05. Tomohiro Ishii
06. Ricochet
07. The Young Bucks
08. Sami Zayn
09. Masaaki Mochizuki
10. Akira Tozawa
11. Tetsuya Naito
12. Hiroshi Tanahashi
13. Cesaro
14. Zack Sabre Jr.
15. Kyle OReilly
16. Katsuyori Shibata
17. Adam Cole
18. Luke Harper
19. Dean Ambrose
20. T-Hawk
21. The Usos
22. Daisuke Sekimoto
23. Sheamus
24. Tomoaki Honma
25. John Cena
26. El Barbaro Cavernario
27. CIMA
28. Daniel Bryan
29. Adrian Neville
30. Minoru Suzuki
31. Dolph Ziggler
32. Austin Aries
33. Jay Briscoe
34. Kota Ibushi
35. Hirooki Goto
36. Randy Orton
37. KUSHIDA
38. YAMATO
39. Masato Yoshino
40. Johnny Gargano
41. Tommy End
42. Rush
43. Big Daddy Walter
44. Eita
45. Roman Reigns
46. Mark Andrews
47. Rey Hechicero
48. Jun Akiyama
49. Rusev
50. Will Ospreay
Nice to see some BritWres guys included, also, HONMA!! The Usos are probably too high and I'd definitely place YAMATO higher, but unsurprisingly I like this list.
Mr. Luchador
Member
Japanese Wrestling/Wrestlers sure to have a hell of a lot more fun than American ones.
A wild "OPTION 2" chant breaks loose across the areana. "FUCK YOU, MURDOCK. FUCK YOU, MURDOCK!"
A wild "OPTION 2" chant breaks loose across the areana. "FUCK YOU, MURDOCK. FUCK YOU, MURDOCK!"
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
The Our Lady Peace song? That was fatnastic.
Speaking of, Kane needs to go back to his Finger Eleven theme if he insists on sticking around.
ROH ep171 Results and Review: Brian Kendrick vs. Adam Cole, Tag Wars Finale
http://www.wrestleenigma.com/ring-o...am-cole-vs-brian-kendrick-and-tag-wars-finale
Very good final show of 2014. Check it out when it's up for free this Friday.
http://www.wrestleenigma.com/ring-o...am-cole-vs-brian-kendrick-and-tag-wars-finale
Featuring:
-Holiday greetings from ROH wrestlers
-Brian Kendrick vs. Adam Cole (good)
-4-way elimination tag for ROH tag titles (very good)
GIFS
Adam Cole says women want more Cole in their stocking
reDRagon posing while their opponents brawl
Very good final show of 2014. Check it out when it's up for free this Friday.
The Onion's A.V. Club did a write-up on New Japan, for some reason: http://www.avclub.com/article/introduction-brutal-spectacle-new-japan-pro-wrestl-213017
For some reason? The fact that it will be available in the US in English for the first time ever next month with WK9 isn't a good reason?
Ah, OK. Maybe they see it as a significant big deal. I hope it is.
I didn't enjoy that one. I think the last one I loved was 2011 due to the ending. Made the taste of that Bo Dallas shit get wiped from my mouth.
Nocturnowl
Member
I think Bo Dallas was 2012, I remember being gutted that Barrett was eliminated by him.
But yes 2011 was also the last one I truly enjoyed myself, they've been sub par since.
FlammableD
Banned
It comes up now and again. Colt's and Stone Cold's podcasts have been on their podcast roundups, and AE Podcast made it into their best ofs this year.
TheWarrior
Banned
I know 38 weeks out of the year Raw is pretty useless but tonight's is extra worthless right?
Yeah you're right, because 2011 was the gang warfare thing where Nexus and Corre squared off. I was such a mark for that and was wishing it was leading up to a Wade/Punk match at WM.
I'd say 38 is pretty generous, but to your main point: Yes.
Definitely 2013. I was enjoying it till I remember Cena won
Watching TLC match between Shield and Team Hell No / Ryback
Just watched all the WK9 hype videos and damn, all that HD footage looks so great blown up on my TV. Makes all the shitty youtube quality matches & shows I've been watching for years look so much worse when I know I could have been seeing shows that look like this. The production is fantastic. How is the NJPW World footage? Does it match up to that stuff? That would definitely sway me on subscribing
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