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Democratic National Primary Debate #1 |Tokyo2016| Rise of Mecha-Godzilla
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User 463088
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You'd almost think he's trying to run as a Democrat, or something. Of course, that didn't stop him from saying Obama should have been primaried in 2012, but water off a duck's back. I don't think Sanders is stupid. He knows he can't win by pissing off Clinton supporters. She's very, very popular within the party. He can point out differences, but personal attacks aren't going to help him.
Hillary has taken shit a hella lot worse than anything Bernie Sanders could throw at her for twenty years. He will not goad her into attacking him. She doesn't need to. All she has to do is look Presidential.
Besides, if the Clinton camp felt the need to bring up the socialism thing, which I highly doubt they would do, it would be a surrogate not Clinton. If the moderators bring it up, she'll answer the question, I'm sure. Again, though, that's not attacking him. Just pointing out an area of difference.
RPGCrazied
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Carson has no chance at the presidency. Just like Trump.
You're overly focused on how Hillary will approach Bernie. The frontrunner is Hillary, so what you should actually be worried about is how Bernie should approach Hillary. Bernie isn't going to be the one to 'let' Hillary do something, Hillary is the one who is going to 'let' the other candidates do something. She doesn't have to attack anybody at all to maintain her lead.
Yea, but Trump might have a shot at his party's nomination. He's held onto the top spot for too long for everyone to be brushing him aside when talking about who the GOP is going to pick.
If Ben Carson is who she will be running against the ONLY thing she will ever have to worry about is Sanders. After the primary she could just take a prolonged vacation while Carson implodes.
Typical debate bumps plus the elections isn't won by popular vote.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Her image with general voters is more concerning than any fabricated threat Sanders is going to pose.
The Lamonster
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I don't trust general election polls this early. I find Carson beating Clinton a laughable affair.
All it would take is one debate, if Carson doesn't implode first.
General election predictions are literally useless this far out. They won't start being predictive until the primaries are basically over.
Carson would implode on contact with the general election electorate.
Retromelon
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Whats the over under on bernie combing his hair for the debate
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She is the front runner. She doesn't have any reason whatsoever to look "desperate" about anything. Have you ever seen Clinton debate? She's quite good. There's literally no reason she would let Sanders do anything. Her hand is on the tiller, not his.
If I was a Sanders supporter, I'd hope he doesn't slide into grumpy old man territory. He has a tendency, especially if he doesn't like the question he's being asked. While it can be endearing if you're a fan of his, it can also be off-putting to some.
Can you give us a hypothetical example as to what this "fabricated threat" Sanders would pose is?
The Lamonster
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haha
EatinOlives
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I agree with those saying it should be about the issues and not political shit flinging. Communicate that yes, this is a party who actually want to fix shit, not a bunch of petulant children who equate "I shouted the loudest/longest" with "I won this argument".
Not if Carson is her challenger. I'd put my life savings on the line if that political betting site still existed. Carson can't win 270 barring a scandal much, much worse then emails.
A good republican challenger is taking on a huge uphill battle to win 270 already, let alone a loony like Carson with the charisma of a dead person and about as tone deaf.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Fabricated threat to her winning the Dem nom. The media is treating every poll where she's up by 20 as a dead heat.
lol
I would fucking love to see Hilary go toe-to-toe with Carson in a general.
It's a huge field of nominees. Trump is leading because he has 25 percent of the party's support. But whenever but Jeb/Rubio/Cruz drop off, where does that other 75 percent go? Not likely to fall behind Trump, or they'd already be there.
Or maybe Trump absorbs Carson and Fiorina's support and clinches over 50 percent? Which I guess is possible, but I imagine all three of them bleeding numbers well before that happens.
Veritigo_X
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There isn't a bookie out there that would set that bet up.
Those exist?
Fenderputty
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You would first have to define "comb"
There's a couple levels between bedhead and pefect hitler youth cut.
And if Carson is her challenger 20 will look like a dead heat by the time election season rolls around. Carson has no chance with moderates, swing voters and will likely even lose a chunk of his own party in the general. The guy just doesn't have any measurable strengths. It's 2012 all over again and people are making the same judgement mistakes with the ever shifting republican circus of stupid.
aspiegamer
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Despite CNN and the media in general's efforts, I just can't will myself to care about this. It would take something absolutely inexplicable for Clinton to not be the nominee so there's zero suspense in these debates. Her competition on stage is few in number and low in public profile for a reason.
A few months ago things seemed a little iffy when the GOP was murdering Clinton day to day, but numbers have stabilized and the derail attempts have become more transparent. That was Biden's chance to jump in, realistically, since she's leveled off now with polling starting to reverse. All the party energy and money are still behind her, and, honestly, Sanders is not shaping up to be a long-term threat after his jumps the past few months. I won't write him off completely yet but I'll stand by "inexplicable" at this time. His base is white males and that won't cut it.
Yeah I'll pass on tonight. When's the next Republican debate?!? Their shit has gotten even crazier this past month with Trump not falling off plus Carson stepping up to squash even more of the candidates who are actually qualified. It's so nuts that goddamn Rubio looks like a moderate alternative to the non-establishment, which is insane to consider.
A few months ago things seemed a little iffy when the GOP was murdering Clinton day to day, but numbers have stabilized and the derail attempts have become more transparent. That was Biden's chance to jump in, realistically, since she's leveled off now with polling starting to reverse. All the party energy and money are still behind her, and, honestly, Sanders is not shaping up to be a long-term threat after his jumps the past few months. I won't write him off completely yet but I'll stand by "inexplicable" at this time. His base is white males and that won't cut it.
Yeah I'll pass on tonight. When's the next Republican debate?!? Their shit has gotten even crazier this past month with Trump not falling off plus Carson stepping up to squash even more of the candidates who are actually qualified. It's so nuts that goddamn Rubio looks like a moderate alternative to the non-establishment, which is insane to consider.
QuiteWhittle
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Are there any records of the aggregates at this point in 2011? Just curious to see how Obama was doing against similar joke candidates like Herman Cain.
In two weeks Wed. Oct 28th,
Enjoy it. We all get a free show and the Republicans doom themselves to defeat. It doesn't matter whether the nominee is Clinton, Sanders or Snow White, Trump and Carson will never be President.
The Lamonster
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and you know CNN is going to do their best at starting fights.
There were some polls that had Cain right with or even above Obama during his momentary surge.
It's what happens when the spotlight is completely on one party a year before an election and the contender from the other party isn't even trying yet.
CassidyIzABeast
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Bernie Sanders looks like he was a candidate in the 1800s.
ErasureAcer
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Team Bernie checking in.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Something tells me that no matter what actually happens at the debate. You've got your list of why Bernie won ready to post already.
He's aged better, in the 80s he looked old for his age, now he looks younger than his actual age.
The Lamonster
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unnecessarily mean
ErasureAcer
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I have not written anything down about that debate I have not watched. Try again. I'm sure Bernie will win just based off policy do I have something prepared as you claim? Nope.
You're going to handle this thread just like you handled the NBA finals thread, aren't you?
Jacksinthe
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Oh the contender is trying. Its just more fun to cover the train wreck of the GOP so they get more airtime.
I know I'm more interested to watch that side even though I'm not voting for any of them.
Its like a car crash, you just can't turn away
That's not to say the dems aren't worth watching, but if I'm being honest, I do find the GOP more fun (as in: clown car) to watch. They've always been batshit but Trump and Carson are like the one-two punch of court jesters. Good times.
I'm responding to someone who responded to me about a quote they highlighted, which had to do Clinton.
The original post i made was in reference to the fact that Bernie being 'too far left' doesn't really matter if the policy he champions would do real good.
The obvious comparison is 'moderate clinton' would somehow manage to do otherwise, which doesn't make sense to me, since intransigence is just as hard on people who are not as tough on the issues.
There's no real point to having concern. I'd just as easy vote for Sanders than the alternatives in the race if we're talking about coming from a position of solidarity.
Retromelon
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Cheebo remember what you got banned for.
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Such a strange OP.
Will watch. I hope there is some criticism of Hillary, but not about fake controversies.
Will watch. I hope there is some criticism of Hillary, but not about fake controversies.
Manufactured email and Bengazi scandals are more of the GOPs thing. Substantive issues will be front and center for the Democratic ticket
Yes it does matter if the moderate swing voters see it as too far left. Better to win with a candidate you agree with on 90% of the issues than lose with one you agree with on 99% of the issues.
You should care about it. The next president is likely participating in tonight's debate.
I can't wait for Hillary to be challenged from the left. This is Good For America. I support Sanders, more or less, but I'll vote for Hillary in the general over anyone running on the GOP side.
I prefer 2015/10/14. The true international standard.
Also, looking forward to this, but I know I'll just tune out after 30 min and watch the highlights tomorrow.
Veritigo_X
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Yep, they're streaming it on CNN.com for free (no cable login required).
As an aside, the current picture on the cnn front page isn't the most flattering...
She use to be cool, but last few years she lost her mind
People really need to stop generalizing Bernie supporters, it's all some can talk about here. There are many of us that don't participate in the stupidity some of the others partake in on the internet. I'm sure many Hilary supporters already have their list ready as well for that mater.
Probably hoping to get a high ranking republican position or seat down the line before they replace her show. Or maybe she has followed O'Reilly for too many years.
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