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[Cheebo]

People really need to stop generalizing Bernie supporters, it's all some can talk about here. There are many of us that don't participate in the stupidity some of the others partake in on the internet. I'm sure many Hilary supporters already have their list ready as well for that mater.

Bernie supporters are great. Anyone who says when Bernie doesn't win the primary they won't vote Hillary in the general that is where there is a problem. That is no different than voting Repiblican. There are huge stakes here such as the supreme court with multiple very old liberal justices. This is not an election to sit on sidelines or vote third party.

 

[OfficerRaichu15]

If Bernie Sanders doesn't kick ass tonight.....:-(

 

[rjinaz]

Bernie supporters are great. Anyone who says when Bernie doesn't win the primary they won't vote Hillary in the general that is where there is a problem. That is no different than voting Repiblican. There are huge stakes here such as the supreme court with multiple very old liberal justices. This is not an election to sit on sidelines or vote third party.

Yeah those people are idiots period. Though the Bernie Sanders supporters I know IRL will be voting for Clinton when it comes down to it.

 

[Cheebo]

If Bernie Sanders doesn't kick ass tonight.....:-(

People expecting him to attack Hillary or anything of the like are going to be very disappointed. Democrat candidates are unified going into the fall, no matter who the nominee is support turn against the GOP. No tearing down of the candidates will be happening tonight.

 

[kingkitty]

Due to the short notice not everything I wanted was able to get done, I'll save that for next time. Enjoy.

short notice? didn't you call dibs on this thread? not that I'm honestly complaining, go Chafee!

 

[Cheebo]

Yeah those people are idiots period. Though the Bernie Sanders supporters I know IRL will be voting for Clinton when it comes down to it.

Yep. There are sadly multiple here who very publicly say otherwise.

I will happily support the nominee whoever it is be it Hilldog or Bernie (or O'Malley lol). Because the big issues like the Supreme Court and not gutting Obamacare are life and death issues. To do otherwise is beyond selfish.

 

[User 463088]

People expecting him to attack Hillary or anything of the like are going to be very disappointed. Democrat candidates are unified going into the fall, no matter who the nominee is support turn against the GOP. No tearing down of the candidates will be happening tonight.

A lesson we learned the hard way. We used to be the opposite. It used to be the GOP would line up behind Satan* himself if it were necessary. The Tea Party really fucked up the cohesion in the GOP caucus.

* Sorry, I misspelled Reagan, Bush, and Nixon.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Yes it does matter if the moderate swing voters see it as too far left. Better to win with a candidate you agree with on 90% of the issues than lose with one you agree with on 99% of the issues.

The issue being that for many of us anti Hillary supporters, she really doesn't agree with even that 90%, or atleast has not supported a ton of it until this election cycle until she started attempting to walk back a lot of her previous rhetoric and support of horrible causes.

That's why i am against your view that supporting someone like that over someone i support more on the issues is better. Bernie Sanders to me has been far more consistent and what he believes in than Hillary.

It doesn't matter if its 90% or 99% of the issues if its not something they really believe right? I'm not optimistic enough anymore to believe only in what comes out of a candidate's mouth during election season when their track record proves otherwise, and the people they are getting support from are more in their interest.

You know the phrase "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good?" Well i believe in that.

Bernie is not a perfect candidate by any means. He's had suspect votes on gun control representing Vermont which he has had to defend, as well the fact that he's not yet outlined how he would go about securing votes from conservative Democrats in order to pass his legislative proposals.

But i'm willing to pass on that because i believe he actually cares about the issues he has consistently supported, and feel that a strong will and actual honesty is important to representing the interests of this country.

 

[Fenderputty]

People really need to stop generalizing Bernie supporters, it's all some can talk about here. There are many of us that don't participate in the stupidity some of the others partake in on the internet. I'm sure many Hilary supporters already have their list ready as well for that mater.

He didn't generalize. We're all well aware of ErasureAcer and his standom.

 

[valkillmore]

I am concerned Donald Trump will steal the show with his Twitter account. He'll be live-tweeting, I understand.

 

[ivysaur12]

Ugh, this is going to be so boring. I bet they'll talk about nuanced policy discussions or something lame.

The issue being that for many of us anti Hillary supporters, she really doesn't agree with even that 90%, or atleast has not supported a ton of it until this election cycle until she started attempting to walk back a lot of her previous rhetoric and support of horrible causes.

That's why i am against your view that supporting someone like that over someone i support more on the issues is better. Bernie Sanders to me has been far more consistent and what he believes in than Hillary.

It doesn't matter if its 90% or 99% of the issues if its not something they really believe right? I'm not optimistic enough anymore to believe only in what comes out of a candidate's mouth during election season when their track record proves otherwise, and the people they are getting support from are more in their interest.

You know the phrase "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good?" Well i believe in that.

Bernie is not a perfect candidate by any means. He's had suspect votes on gun control representing Vermont which he has had to defend, as well the fact that he's not yet outlined how he would go about securing votes from conservative Democrats in order to pass his legislative proposals.

But i'm willing to pass on that because i believe he actually cares about the issues he has consistently supported, and feel that a strong will and actual honesty is important to representing the interests of this country.

You're trying to ascribe authenticity and "actual belief" to another human being -- multiple times, I believe, you've been shown that candidates generally keep their campaign promises once elected. There's no reason to believe that Hillary Clinton would somehow break that trend if she's campaigning on progressive causes.

And if we're not letting perfect be the enemy of good, then I hope you'll be a supporter of Clinton if she wins the nomination.

 

[Cheebo]

He didn't generalize. We're all well aware of ErasureAcer and his standom.

Yeah, there is a difference between your average Bernie supporter and EracerAcer who refused to vote Obama in 2008 because Dennis Kucinich wasn't the Dem nominee.

 

[Jonm1010]

The issue being that for many of us anti Hillary supporters, she really doesn't agree with even that 90%, or atleast has not supported a ton of it until this election cycle until she started attempting to walk back a lot of her previous rhetoric and support of horrible causes.

That's why i am against your view that supporting someone like that over someone i support more on the issues is better. Bernie Sanders to me has been far more consistent and what he believes in than Hillary.

It doesn't matter if its 90% or 99% of the issues if its not something they really believe right? I'm not optimistic enough anymore to believe only in what comes out of a candidate's mouth during election season when their track record proves otherwise.

You know the phrase "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good?" Well i believe in that.

Bernie is not a perfect candidate by any means. He's had suspect votes on gun control representing Vermont, as well the fact that he's not yet outlined how he would go about securing votes from conservative Democrats in order to pass his legislative proposals.

But i'm willing to pass on that because i believe he is actually cares about the issues he has consistently supported, and feel that a strong will and actual honesty is important to representing the interests of this country.

Just as people wish there would be a stop to stereotyping Bernie supporters, this false narrative of Hillary being some Republican in Democratic clothing is really tiring.

I just hope you are going to be wise enough to put aside your grievances and do the right thing if Bernie doesnt get the nomination? Right?

 

[Cheebo]

Just as people wish there would be a stop to stereotyping Bernie supporters, this false narrative of Hillary being some Republican in Democratic clothing is really tiring.

I just hope you are going to be wise enough to put aside your grievances and do the right thing if Bernie doesnt get the nomination? Right?

Anyone old enough to remember 90s politics sees just how insane it is to try to equate her to Republicans. Republicans attacked her mercisily for a decade for being a far left "extremist".

Every week there was a new book from some right wing columnist about how Hillary was an extreme left wing socialist.

 

[Rymuth]

Oh shit~ it's tonight?!

A thousand cheers, OP. I better get ready.

 

[rjinaz]

Ugh, this is going to be so boring. I bet they'll talk about nuanced policy discussions or something lame.



You're trying to ascribe authenticity and "actual belief" to another human being -- multiple times, I believe, you've been shown that candidates generally keep their campaign promises once elected. There's no reason to believe that Hillary Clinton would somehow break that trend if she's campaigning on progressive causes.

And if we're not letting perfect be the enemy of good, then I hope you'll be a supporter of Clinton if she wins the nomination.

Yeah I'm probably not going to tune in to all the Democrat debates but I won't be missing any of the Republican debates because, they are, quite frankly, entertaining to me.

 

[Paskil]

short notice? didn't you call dibs on this thread? not that I'm honestly complaining, go Chafee!

Ah, I was wondering where his fan was. Will be interesting to see what Webb, Chafee and O'Malley do to try to make a dent in the polls.

 

[Kusagari]

And if Carson is her challenger 20 will look like a dead heat by the time election season rolls around. Carson has no chance with moderates, swing voters and will likely even lose a chunk of his own party in the general. The guy just doesn't have any measurable strengths. It's 2012 all over again and people are making the same judgement mistakes with the ever shifting republican circus of stupid.

Carson used to scare the shit out of me because at first glance he's immensely likable, has an inspiring story and seemed to represent a true outsider like Trump without the baggage of being an enormous asshole.Those traits could have carried him and his lack of any tangible policy into a close battle with a wounded Hillary.

I don't think anyone could have predicted the levels of batshit insanity he's delivered in the past week. Trump and Herman Cain combined can't even touch this madness. He's completely torpedoed himself.

 

[BobTheFork]

I don't really care who wins this. I think tilting the supreme court is the most important way to keep this country from falling into a 50 year social regression and good odds on the next president appointing the tilt. We need a winner.

 

[Trouble]

Ugh, this is going to be so boring. I bet they'll talk about nuanced policy discussions or something lame.

Yeah, there might be some mild ganging up on Hildawg, but there's just no way this election's Dem primary will ever go as claws-out as 2008.

 

[Jonm1010]

Yeah, there might be some mild ganging up on Hildawg, but there's just no way this election's Dem primary will ever go as claws-out as 2008.

If Bernie did somehow get close I am pretty confident Hilary would go all out. This is likely her last shot at the presidency and she has shown she is willing to go hard if necessary.

It's really the one thing I would be legitimately pissed at Hillary for because I can 100% see her going down the "evil socialist" path if Bernie starts to seriously challenge her and she begins to slip. It would poison the well for the party, herself and the nation when it comes to arguing for the core principles of the democratic party for years. Pushing back the progress the party has made to become more progressive and erase the propaganda of the 80's Reagan revolution and the Cold War that has hurt political dialogue for a generation.

 

[zero shift]

I don't really care who wins this. I think tilting the supreme court is the most important way to keep this country from falling into a 50 year social regression and good odds on the next president appointing the tilt. We need a winner.

If they win the debate, they'll win the general.

 

[AstroNut325]

I'm only interested in the right wing/conservative reactions.

Is there a right wing/conservative Political BS bingo board?

Sure fire hits:
Communist
Socialist
Nazi
Handouts
Illegals
Founding fathers
Benghazi
Marxist
Stalin
Putin

 

[Trouble]

If Bernie did somehow get close I am pretty confident Hilary would go all out. This is likely her last shot at the presidency and she has shown she is willing to go hard if necessary.

She knows better to come off as nasty or combative during the debate. If she goes negative it'll all be through SuperPAC ads that she can distance herself from.

 

[Jonm1010]

She knows better to come off as nasty or combative during the debate. If she goes negative it'll all be through SuperPAC ads that she can distance herself from.

Thats exactly what I would expect. Nice in person, scorched earth behind the scenes.

 

[Indicate]

Here are some Bernie decapitated heads I quickly made.

 

[Foffy]

If Bernie Sanders doesn't kick ass tonight.....:-(

Define kicking ass, please. This debate should be about issues, not persons.

While Bernie is more of the issues candidate, all we can hope for are questions about the issues and not mainstream media gotcha questions about people.

 

[User 463088]

She knows better to come off as nasty or combative during the debate. If she goes negative it'll all be through SuperPAC ads that she can distance herself from.

That's what surrogates are for, although I don't think she'd go there for a few reason, least of all it wouldn't be necessary.

 

[Cheebo]

I don't really care who wins this. I think tilting the supreme court is the most important way to keep this country from falling into a 50 year social regression and good odds on the next president appointing the tilt. We need a winner.

Bingo. And no no candidates picks will be better the other. No one picks "moderate" judges purposely. Bill is by all accounts more moderate than Hillary and he picked Ginsberg.

 

[Askherserenity]

I'm sure it has been asked before in this thread but they stream this online somewhere right?

 

[AstroNut325]

Bingo. And no no candidates picks will be better the other. No one picks "moderate" judges purposely. Bill is by all accounts more moderate than Hillary and he picked Ginsberg.

Yup. I don't really care who wins between the Democrats. Just need to avoid getting another Scalia at all cost.

 

[AnotherDayAnotherDollar]

Humor me, how would such a policy get passed in a Republican congress when the more moderate Obamacare was barely able to pass in a Democratic one?


One candidate could be for giving everyone a billion dollars, but it would be silly to use that a voting criteria because it is not something that can happen.

Republicans control most of government. Most governors are republican, most senators, and most congressmen. You can't work around them. Even when Democrats held control of Congress there were enough moderate Democrats to make Obamacare something that only passed by the skin of its teeth, Obamacare was nearly too liberal to pass that non-Republican winning congress.

Full on single payer? That is 100% off the table. No question.

Any candidate can make dream world like empty promises, but you shouldn't base your vote on such.

Don't get so defensive, that was a question to someone who said Clinton and Sanders agree on everything but guns and foreign policy, but how about you humor me on how Clinton will get, ohh let's say, her gun reform through congress when Obama hasn't been able to pass anything on gun reform? Executive Order? What you're describing is not a Sanders only problem, it would affect Clinton, or any other non GOP candidate, just as hard.

Need a history lesson? Try 1993. It was a failure, which is probably why she's inclined towards supporting Obamacare now. Learning from the mistakes of aiming too high too quickly.

So they don't agree on 90% like the other user suggested they do. Got it!

 

[Jonm1010]

Define kicking ass, please. This debate should be about issues, not persons.

While Bernie is more of the issues candidate, all we can hope for are questions about the issues and not mainstream media gotcha questions about people.

What I'm interested in is seeing just how CNN moderates the debate. With the Republicans they softballed everything and kept it rather superficial. Letting the candidates basically talk nonsense unless an opponent challenged them. Likely because CNN is scared to death of being labeled partisan.

My money is they are a lot tougher on the democrats because of overcompensation to not upset the partisan news circuit.

 

[Netherscourge]

I'm only interested in the right wing/conservative reactions.

Is there a right wing/conservative Political BS bingo board?

Sure fire hits:
Communist
Socialist
Nazi
Handouts
Illegals
Founding fathers
Benghazi
Marxist
Stalin
Putin

You forgot Planned Parenthood

 

[Trickster]

Anywhere this will be streamed for people outside of the US?

 

[Cheebo]

D What you're describing is not a Sanders only problem, it would affect Clinton, or any other non GOP candidate, just as hard.

I agree. My stance is not that Hillary is better. But that both would not have different policies and voting Democrat is the key factor here, who the nominee is of the two is rather meaningless if they happen to win.

 

[Retromelon]

I'm sure it has been asked before in this thread but they stream this online somewhere right?

Cnn has a free stream but you have to download their app.

 

[Foffy]

What I'm interested in is seeing just how CNN moderates the debate. With the Republicans they softballed everything and kept it rather superficial. Letting the candidates basically talk nonsense unless an opponent challenged them. Likely because CNN is scared to death of being labeled partisan.

My money is they are a lot tougher on the democrats because of overcompensation to not upset the partisan news circuit.

I think they should be tougher. Not as a response to the shitshow that's been the Republican debates, but the fact the Democratic party is the only one running even talking about problems. Has the student loan crisis, the health care disaster, the inequality problem, and the climate issue really been entertained in the Republican debates? Save for sweet little nothings like "we can't deal with the climate because of China" nonsense that Cruz says.

 

[Fenderputty]

Here are some Bernie decapitated heads I quickly made.

These are great.

 

[dramatis]

Vox made some bingo cards!

Drink too if you mark one off

 

[rjinaz]

I'm sure it has been asked before in this thread but they stream this online somewhere right?

CNN's homepage is supposed to put up the stream when it starts are apparently it will not require a login.

Not sure if this extends to people outside the US or not.

 

[Fenderputty]

Don't get so defensive, that was a question to someone who said Clinton and Sanders agree on everything but guns and foreign policy, but how about you humor me on how Clinton will get, ohh let's say, her gun reform through congress when Obama hasn't been able to pass anything on gun reform? Executive Order? What you're describing is not a Sanders only problem, it would affect Clinton, or any other non GOP candidate, just as hard.

Nobody supporting Clinton will disagree with this. We're all pretty much in line with SCOTUS appointees being issue numero uno because of congressional fuckery.

 

[JustenP88]

Vox made some bingo cards!

Drink too if you mark one off

This card just goes to show the "entertainment factor" disparity between the two parties. The Republican Bingo card would probably look like crazy-person mad Libs (aka the Republican platform).

 

[googleplex]

Bernie supporters are great. Anyone who says when Bernie doesn't win the primary they won't vote Hillary in the general that is where there is a problem. That is no different than voting Repiblican. There are huge stakes here such as the supreme court with multiple very old liberal justices. This is not an election to sit on sidelines or vote third party.

 

[Dixon's Jet]

I think they should be tougher. Not as a response to the shitshow that's been the Republican debates, but the fact the Democratic party is the only one running even talking about problems. Has the student loan crisis, the health care disaster, the inequality problem, and the climate issue really been entertained in the Republican debates? Save for sweet little nothings like "we can't deal with the climate because of China" nonsense that Cruz says.

Yes. This debate has a chance to be legitimate in the face of the reality TV republican show.

Bernie supporters are great. Anyone who says when Bernie doesn't win the primary they won't vote Hillary in the general that is where there is a problem. That is no different than voting Repiblican. There are huge stakes here such as the supreme court with multiple very old liberal justices. This is not an election to sit on sidelines or vote third party.

I support Bernie Sanders and if he doesn't get the nomination I'll vote for Hillary. The Republicans are too off the deep end now and they can't be given more power.

 

[Chris R]

Bernie supporters are great. Anyone who says when Bernie doesn't win the primary they won't vote Hillary in the general that is where there is a problem. That is no different than voting Repiblican. There are huge stakes here such as the supreme court with multiple very old liberal justices. This is not an election to sit on sidelines or vote third party.

Well then I guess I'm glad my vote doesn't matter anyways, hurray Electoral College! I probably won't vote for Hillary but probably would vote for Bernie.

 

[AstroNut325]

Vox made some bingo cards!

Drink too if you mark one off

We need one for right wing reactions. And I can't believe I forgot PP on my sure fire hit list!

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

This card just goes to show the "entertainment factor" disparity between the two parties. The Republican Bingo card would probably look like crazy-person mad Libs (aka the Republican platform).

To be fair, you could throw "forced cackle" in there as a freebie.

 

[googleplex]

Well then I guess I'm glad my vote doesn't matter anyways, hurray Electoral College! I probably won't vote for Hillary but probably would vote for Bernie.

Yeah, and a bunch of people thought like this when Gore was running for president. How the fuck did that turn out for this country?

 

[User1608]

Liberal justices are ridiculously important for sure.

Here are some Bernie decapitated heads I quickly made.

These are great! Gonna save them lol.