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Democratic Primary Debate V
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With which we have deep economic ties. I think if the question was, "who would be most likely to use a nuke" then NK would be a good answer. But Russia is the bigger threat, for sure. They are flexing their muscles in key conflicts right now.
googleplex
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A Clinton/Warren ticket would be amazing. But I think she dose more good where she is now.
Running on a single important issue is a viable political strategy. He certainly has work to do, but these rationalizations that hes done are amusing.
ugaboga232
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North Korea is not a physical threat to anyone but reintegrating their populace would be such a mess. Also even a weak nuke can cause a lot of infrastructure damage in the circuit capital of the world thru EMP.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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they are absolutely a physical threat to south korea
brochiller
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The country that just tested a nuclear bomb detonation is a relic of the past now?
Right? If I was going to be in a debate I'd certainly practice things like that!
theignoramus
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A threat to South Korea is a serious threat to American interests and the global economy.
Epsilon-delta
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True. I am surprised that both candidates haven't worked on their weak spots.
Well really the entire dem party does, to be honest.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
That might have been true, but far less true since the Paris attacks.
Officerrob
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He's done nothing to expand his foreign policy knowledge, that's ridiculous
A Human Becoming
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Bernie can't be taken seriously unless he can specify more on foreign policy. He can stand toe-to-toe with her on economics, but it's not enough.
Your problem is assuming that I agree with what Obama is already doing. Hint: I do not.
Abinash117
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They do, but it is mostly the young ones that don't.
Four_Chamber
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I don't understand how Bernie's team hasn't forced him to prepare foreign policy answers better
disastermouse
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Clinton? Yeah, I agree. Let's keep her out of the presidency, pls.
OrangeGrayBlue
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Yeah, I'm honestly surprised they devoted as much time to it as they did. I don't think a single debate has dedicated enough time to criminal justice reform/police brutality/BLM thus far. I'd like to see a solid 20 minutes on that in one of these debates.
uh?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1675/most-important-problem.aspx
check that.
Top issues:
Economy in general
Dissatisfaction with government
shinra-bansho
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The query was of the greatest threat to the US.
And ivy is right in that the only threat they really pose to SK is belligerent existence. It's an impoverished nation largely reliant on Chinese aid.
They aren't going to do anything.
Russia has annexed a portion of a sovereign nation.
And ivy is right in that the only threat they really pose to SK is belligerent existence. It's an impoverished nation largely reliant on Chinese aid.
They aren't going to do anything.
Russia has annexed a portion of a sovereign nation.
The swing voters who will decide the general definitely do care about FP.
Tragicomedy
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North Korea remains a case of diplomacy by extortion. Lots of saber rattling and TD-2 tests carefully planned to coincide with international talks. "Give us food or we'll set off this bomb!"
But don't underestimate the global flashpoint they could unleash. There's a hell of a lot more than a DMZ to deal with when China is their de facto big brother.
But don't underestimate the global flashpoint they could unleash. There's a hell of a lot more than a DMZ to deal with when China is their de facto big brother.
brochiller
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I don't mind what Bernie is saying on foreign policy as much as I'm tired of hearing the same thing over and over. He needs to bring something new to the table next debate.
Foreign policy isn't high on many dems lists of top priorities, fortunately
Foreign policy isn't high on many dems lists of top priorities, fortunately
I think this might be the best Dem debate yet, they're both doing (largely) excellent.
Four months ago, you'd be right. But the Paris attacks put foreign policy back into the spotlight in a huge way.
Four months ago, you'd be right. But the Paris attacks put foreign policy back into the spotlight in a huge way.
Buba Big Guns
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I'd want someone to body Saudi Arabia on a FP question. That's when you know they will do the right thing and know what they're talking about.
The Technomancer
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But it is a huge issue in the general. Eyes on the prize guys
1) North Korea is not an isolated country. They receive a huge amount of foreign aid, despite what they want you to think.
2) North Korea's existence only is because China allows it. Without China, North Korea would not exist.
3) North Korea cannot directly attack South Korea with a nuclear weapon for a variety of reasons, most of which is because it would end their existence. China would no longer play patron to their devices, and the world would retaliate in ways that make Shock & Awe seem like child's play.
4) Because North Korea knows about #3, they will never actually do #3, unless --
5) North Korea becomes an irrational actor, but thus far, they have not. Even under Un. Evil and maniacal, yes. Irrational? No.
6) If North Korea ever became an irrational actor on the world stage, they would post a much bigger threat. As of now? That is not the case.
2) North Korea's existence only is because China allows it. Without China, North Korea would not exist.
3) North Korea cannot directly attack South Korea with a nuclear weapon for a variety of reasons, most of which is because it would end their existence. China would no longer play patron to their devices, and the world would retaliate in ways that make Shock & Awe seem like child's play.
4) Because North Korea knows about #3, they will never actually do #3, unless --
5) North Korea becomes an irrational actor, but thus far, they have not. Even under Un. Evil and maniacal, yes. Irrational? No.
6) If North Korea ever became an irrational actor on the world stage, they would post a much bigger threat. As of now? That is not the case.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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why does hillary laugh so much. what is so funny
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In real terms, when it comes down to it, most people care about the economy and national security above all else. They basically just want to be reassured that the lives and livelihood of them and their family are safe.
RustyNails
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Nuclear bomb technology is more than 60 years old.
Also Obama admin suggested the tests were fake and/or over-exaggerated
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...-north-korea-h-bomb-justice-article-1.2487282
The Caucus process in Iowa is bullshit and we all know it.
I love how neither of them give a fuck because they know it's bullshit.
Perfect.
I love how neither of them give a fuck because they know it's bullshit.
Perfect.
Agreed. Some of the stuff she says just sounds like the regurgitated hawk-like policies and ideas that have been fucking things up for decades now. More of the same so to speak. Because they've really done a great job thus far. I agree with Bernie on several of these foreign policy issues. One way or another the Arab nations have to come together on these issues, and only with the help of a coalition of nations can they take on the threat within.
ugaboga232
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But in that case which of those countries are a real threat to the US? Russia's economy is crippled and while they are a big european threat, I doubt they can ever become the USSR. Iran is a regional player.
thehypocrite
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I think from all the imaginary enemies they have the greater uncertainty factor.
Prodigal Son
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Hillary's laugh was adorable there.
Trump has been shitting on one of their royalty. Hopefully soon.
Abinash117
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Good answer for both don't drag that out.
The Technomancer
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I would say Iran just because Iran is more likely to fuck with US interests in the ME than North Korea is with South Korea
brochiller
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What does this have to do with anything? It's still the most dangerous weapon on the planet. Even when nuclear technology is 1000 years old it will still be something that can do a ton of damage and kill millions of people.
It's also one that she has an easy answer for.
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