It's better than last debate, but he's still clearly out of his element.
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Democratic Primary Debate VI: Raid Time 2/11 9PM EST
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It's better than last debate, but he's still clearly out of his element.
SolarPowered
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Yeah, he's not doing great, but he's not bombing completely either.
Chaotic-Strike
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That's to be expected considering where her forte lies.
Or maybe he was talking about that specific person?
He is, most certainly.
LMAO, I need to stop drinking.
Officerrob
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Seems like he's been prepped on some stuff, but it's still poor
NullPointer
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Hawk Hillary is going to burn it all fucking down.
So Hilary should invoke advice from leaders of ISIS too while she's at it? I mean you know, can't let war criminals take all the diversity.
Bernie has never claimed he won't talk to bad or non favourable people, hell the complete opposite (especially regarding the Middle East). He's just not going to commend, compliment and appreciate them.
ChosenPredator
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the moderators don't even exist for PBS.
I mean, yeah.
It's tough because it is such a strong subject for Hilary.
Finger waging is weirdly annoying me.
Velcro Fly
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I mean we elected Obama and everyone said foreign policy would be his weakness and he's been diplomatic and has done really well to not step in shit.
I refuse to believe Bernie would be any worse than Obama.
I refuse to believe Bernie would be any worse than Obama.
Did you even read that post entirely, history is important, context is important but you can't just spout history alone. It's like when Dems back in 08' kept saying they didn't vote for Iraq but refused to make any suggestions as to how to solve the problem currently.
Why not talk to rumsfeld and cheney then?
Chie Satonaka
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I agree.
It's time for a coughing revolution.
I like it like this.
Yes, but she's still doing better. Kind of like I thought she had some better lines about her Wall St ties, but Bernie did better.
SolarPowered
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Politicians couldn't be more bought by Saudi Arabia and Israel. The Middle East conflicts will not end anytime soon.
A Black Falcon
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Hillary and Bernie are both right on the subject of Kissinger. On the one hand, most of Bernie's list of complaints is absolutely accurate. Kissinger has more blood on his hands than almost any other Secretary of State, mostly because of the Vietnam War but yes, that did help lead to the Khmer Rouge. Kissinger thought that 'all people have a breaking point', and by bombing Vietnam more, and killing more people, the US would eventually win. That is a horrible, and wrong, philosophy. What he did in Vietnam is inexcusable, and Hillary should have made a much stronger statement against him here instead of saying the very general line she did.
However, Hillary is right that Kissinger and Nixon's opening of relations with China was a major, important event and a huge step forward for international relations. She said 'I listened to him about China but not anything else', and that probably is a defensible position; he was, after all, responsible for helping to repair that badly-damaged relationship.
And finally, Bernie weakened his initial very strong point by following it up with that attack on global trade as another reason to dislike Kissinger... opening relations with China was a very good thing regardless of what you think on trade.
However, Hillary is right that Kissinger and Nixon's opening of relations with China was a major, important event and a huge step forward for international relations. She said 'I listened to him about China but not anything else', and that probably is a defensible position; he was, after all, responsible for helping to repair that badly-damaged relationship.
And finally, Bernie weakened his initial very strong point by following it up with that attack on global trade as another reason to dislike Kissinger... opening relations with China was a very good thing regardless of what you think on trade.
Abinash117
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I think he can counter her if he takes more an anti-gov change approach.
Officerrob
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This is a bad argument here from Bernie, Obama chose her as SoS
Manmademan
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uh oh. Hillary is about to have her "get the transcript" moment
Interfectum
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Nah.
TheOfficeMut
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Bernie and Hillary should do an AMA.
Jeevesmeister
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Henry Kissinger is literally a fucking war criminal. This is an undeniable fact. Anybody defending him for any reason really needs to read a fucking history book and to reconsider their priorities.
If anything, if anything, make this election about the fact we could elect a candidate that does not play nice with literal war criminals. Please.
If anything, if anything, make this election about the fact we could elect a candidate that does not play nice with literal war criminals. Please.
Trojita
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Bernie supporters barely exist in the crowd either lol.
Who doesn't care? "People"
shinra-bansho
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So much burning hate.
UltimaPooh
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Cough drops are.no longer for the one percent!
On foreign policy I totally agree. I think he killed her on the domestic stuff though.
They've both done very well though.
ugaboga232
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He improved on FP from last debate, could still be a ton better but hes brought up some new things.
gutter_trash
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yes, Saudia Arabia are the biggest exporter of terror on planet Earth.
maabus1999
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Watching Bernie here is painful...
David Incorporated Esq.
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The finger wagging looks ridiculous. He'll never look like an executive, he simply doesn't have the bearing. That's fine, he's an excellent, excellent legislator, but maybe that's where he should stay.
Velcro Fly
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Also when the candidates can keep it civil and mostly on topic, moderators aren't needed. We've had some good back and forth dialogue on a variety of issues and it has been glorious.
GOP debate would never be like this. They are all too whiny and petulant and hungry for time to talk about nothing
GOP debate would never be like this. They are all too whiny and petulant and hungry for time to talk about nothing
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