S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Right cause just comparing cod and it's 15-25 tickrate vs Destiny alone puts Bungie on top if one was into quality fps games.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I am not comparing Destiny vs COD which still isn't even close
The comparison was Bungie vs Activision and I would take Acti portfolio over Bungie and not think twice
Roman Empire
Member
It is more like retracting. The pandemic is gone, gaming consumption went down by a whole lot after that. Plus, the live service landscape is so overcrowded that players aren't leaving their games to play new stuff with less content or inferior quality, that's why live service games are dropping like flies unless they are industry-defining or revolutionary.
There are things like sunk cost fallacy as well and limited from gamers. Companies fighting between themselves for your time would never work long-term. That's why a game like Genshin actually is fucking succesfull, they get you with the first few hours of steady progress and then when you hit the progress barriers or get up to date with content you just need to play a little to keep up. It helps that HoYo probably has the best content cadence in the industry currently, they have 4 games (Genshin, Honkai Impact 3rd, Honkai Star Rail, and ZZZ) all running at the same time while delivering new content every 45 days. It is nuts honestly since most of it is bug-free and run on most current platforms without any hitches.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
It's not close with a 1998 engine and such a low tickrate...
I wouldn't take the portfolio over Bungie and what Bungie will likely do as Sony.
crAptivision hasn't done anything significant in recent years and if we add the 'MS effect' one could expect things to get worse.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
To each their own, Bungie looks to be circling the drain atm
Personally I would take the COD franchise alone over the entirety of Bungie but all comes down to preference
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Sony is just handling one of its divisions and this stuff happens all the time.
I trust the industry’s leader reorganization.
I personally don't enjoy playing a "competitive" multiplayer shooter with 120+fps to be capped at a paltry 15-25hz tickrate.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Didn't Bungie come out and say D2 ran at 30hz?
Edit - That is confirmed by a Bungie blog when the game launched so I don't know what its running at now
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
What new IP have we gotten yet from Bungie?
In terms of impact to their respective new parents, Activision has been exponentially more beneficial than Bungie.
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Pegasus Actual
Gold Member
Destiny isn't a "competitive" multiplayer shooter on any level, even compared to COD. Muh tickrate muh 1998 is just pure comedy.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
30 for 30fps
It's 40 at any frame rate above 30.
40 isn't perfect but is not only better but double that of cod.
As a person who unfortunately played roughly every cod due to having a son It always felt terrible.
Edit: BF2042 is actually 45 according to this...
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S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Nothing more competitive than Destiny 2's trials.
It is a 1998 engine with a terrible tickrate.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
Whats hard for you to understand? What new IP does ABK has in the work other then these boring CoD games?
Try again to understand.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
You said Bungie brought new IPs
Acti recently announced a new studio Elsewhere working on an all new franchise
What new IPs does Bungie have that I am missing? (This is a legit question since you stated it)
You think D2 trials are more competitive than the high end COD competition?
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Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
Both of you have problems with reading so im not going to waste time here right now.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You made a broad proclamation about getting new IPs from Bungie, I asked which one.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
My bad I read your statement of
Well. At least we get new IP’s from Bungie. You can’t say that from ABK.
Suggesting Bungie was bringing new IPs and ABK wasn't
Instead I showed you ABK was in fact working on a new IP and asked what Bungie's new IP was
Sorry We wasted YOUR time on your made up statement
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
You made a broad proclamation about getting new IPs from Bungie, I asked which one.
So you missed any news or something about the fact that they have several games in development? That alone is more then what ABK has done in the recent years, or should i say decades?
Are you stupid or something?
My bad I read your statement of
Well. At least we get new IP’s from Bungie. You can’t say that from ABK.
Suggesting Bungie was bringing new IPs and ABK wasn't
Instead I showed you ABK was in fact working on a new IP and asked what Bungie's new IP was
Sorry We wasted YOUR time on your made up statement
Marathon is new for the majority of the gamers. That scifi game was also in development internally at Bungie. It will now be at PS, but that alone is more new titles Bungie had in development then ABK.
ABK might be a big publisher but the console side, their portfolio is pretty poor outside CoD. Those other games aren’t that big or interesting. Without CoD, they are basically not much.
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S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Are you alluding to cod being more skilled based/competitive because it's more commercially popular lol?
Automatically because of the tickrate differences Destiny 2 wins in this regard.
You can't have a serious competitive fps game with that tickrate.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I don't know who is more skilled in D2 pros or COD pros
Wait does D2 even have a pro league?
I know I have played both and me personally D2 feels way more casual than COD ranked especially at high end
But again all personal preferences
Dr. Samuel Hayden
Member
Both Bungie and Sony's live service initiative are complete and utter disasters
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Trials of Osiris event is usually every Friday to Monday and it's very competitive.
Casual is a super low tickrate.
Serious players want speed.
Let me add another highly competitive fps... Counter-Strike 2 is 64hz
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Marathon is not even close to being new so that sure doesnt count as a new IP and you just found out about this sci fi game what yesterday because people got fired?
I presented you with ABK new studio Elsewhere so seems like its pretty even on actual new IPs.
Muffdraul
Member
I don't disagree with a single thing you said there. My only point here is that "it can't be cancelled unless it was announced" is nonsense. A project can be cancelled whether it was announced or not.
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Muffdraul
Member
Yeah, maybe it only existed on paper... and then it got cancelled.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
That ain't how it works chief, lol.
Every annual Call of Duty is also a new IP for many.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
Who cares how we found out about it? For a company the size of ABK, they are pretty lazy and shit in every way, when the majority of their studios are all doing the same for 1 iP.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I knew he was counting Marathon as a new IP then looked it up to prove his point and found out he was wrong then said he wasn't wasting anymore of his time yet keeps replying
clarky
Gold Member
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Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
How many Marathon games have been released? Most gamers have not even played it, or lets say…don’t even know the IP. It was released for Mac back in 1994. Now tell me how many CoD games have been released?
So yes..Marathon will be seen for majority as a new game. You can’t say the same about another CoD game. Even people that never played CoD know the name. Ask these people about Marathon and i bet almost no one knows it.
clarky
Gold Member
Every nerd on this forum has heard of Marathon. If Bungie didn't think it was a known IP they wouldn't have used the name.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Snake hadn't until he looked it up, he thought it was new
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
I knew he was counting Marathon as a new IP then looked it up to prove his point and found out he was wrong then said he wasn't wasting anymore of his time yet keeps replying
You knew nothing….
Maybe you should start reading correctly what people say.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Nahh have read what you said, you were wrong and you try to turn it on others.
Try to chill out some and not be on the offensive all the time
And this statement you wanted to quote me
Marathon is new for the majority of the gamers. That scifi game was also in development internally at Bungie. It will now be at PS, but that alone is more new titles Bungie had in development then ABK.
Is just wrong, false, fake, made up
I can read fine, maybe you should learn what new IPs mean
Pegasus Actual
Gold Member
Of course it doesn't. There's no competitive integrity to the buildcrafting or to the RNG loot. The best Trials players make their money off Twitch/YouTube carrying viewers to a Lighthouse visit, not by winning (nonexistent) tournaments.
The conceit of the mode is that you have to win 7 games in a row to make it to said Lighthouse, which at first glance seems akin to a tournament structure, but of course, no it's not even that, as you can be on your "Lighthouse game" and get matched against people playing their first game of the week, or people who are 0-12. They've tried all sorts of matchmaking shenanigans to try to make it work, but it just doesn't. The latest trick they're implementing is allowing you, if you queue in a full party of 3, to get the adept weapon of the week upon winning 7 games total (rather than in a row).
Every real competitive game understands that tracking a skill rating that settles you in a bracket where you're winning roughly 50% of the time is the way to do it. It gives the best quality of matches, and lets you progress your skills.
You can be on your final game and be matched up against people who are 0-10 and just trying to farm some base rewards or finish a challenge. Or even worse you can be solo queueing, be on your six wins, and get those players as teammates.
Claims of it being some kind of legit competitive mode are hilarious. If anything it's designed as a pub stomp mode, which is why it has such terrible player retention statistics.
Ironically enough Destiny has an explicit "Comp" mode which I haven't played enough to form much of an opinion of as far as matchmaking and competitive integrity beyond just noting that the fundamentals of Destiny multiplayer are anti-competitive.
You can prefer the experience of one or the other, sure. But I think claiming that Destiny is somehow more competitive than COD is something that can be quantified and debunked.
Muffdraul
Member
Oh shit, I didn't know you worked for Bungie. My bad.Here i just cancelled Destiny 4.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
I did not. Because you really think everyone knows Marathon as they know CoD? I can tell you it’s not ask some random people and you get your answer.
The word “majority” says it all. Don’t talk shit right now like “learn what new IPs mean”. I know, you don’t have to tell me anything. But acting like Marathon is some well known IP? Nahh it’s not and for the majority of the gamers it’s new. Comparing that with CoD…lol ok if you say so.
Solarstrike
Member
Sony is evil.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
So your shift is from new IPs to well known.
Got it
Maybe you should learn some reading comprehension of your own words
Nice try though
Tiago Rodrigues
Gold Member
So if Marathon fails… Bungie is done isn’t it?
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
What little we have seen to this point of Marathon doesn't inspire confidence it will survive
clarky
Gold Member
Seems to be an awful lot riding on it.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
Well known compared to CoD. Because its not. All these casual CoD gamers see this a new IP since the IP is freaking old.So your shift is from new IPs to well known.
Got it
Maybe you should learn some reading comprehension of your own words
Nice try though
So for the “MAJORITY” this will be a new game. But hey…since you like to be right, congratulations on it then.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
You are the one who got all pissy with
adamsapple
and I for just asking you to tell us what new IPs when you brought it up and now pissy you were proven wrongNo need to reply for reasons
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
You are the one who got all pissy with
No need to reply for reasons
What did you prove here? That ABK has a new studio? Then what? That still says nothing about the games Bungie had in development.
For over decades we haven’t seen much from ABK. This is not going to change it right away. So in the end…you didn’t prove shit here. And since you ignore the comments about Marathon. You know i’m right about that and that this IP will be new for a lot of people. Or should i say it again…majority?
I don’t give a fuck dude.
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Angry_Megalodon
Gold Member
I can't believe that a bullshitter like Jason has such a following. So, if I understood correctly:
- Sony buys Bungie at an outrageous price because they have a successful GaaS with an established community and a pipeline for future content.
- 2 years after the acquisition, it's revealed that Bungie had no plans to continue the IP, the only reason for Sony to acquire them.
This is like buying Rockstar and then, announcing that GTA 5 would be their last GTA.
And that guy has a reputation, my lord. No wonder the Pentagon is talking openly about aliens.
- Sony buys Bungie at an outrageous price because they have a successful GaaS with an established community and a pipeline for future content.
- 2 years after the acquisition, it's revealed that Bungie had no plans to continue the IP, the only reason for Sony to acquire them.
This is like buying Rockstar and then, announcing that GTA 5 would be their last GTA.
And that guy has a reputation, my lord. No wonder the Pentagon is talking openly about aliens.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Good point.
So if Destiny 3 was never on the roadmap, Sony spent $3.6B for Destiny 2 and Marathon? Makes no sense.