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clarky
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It does seem like an awful lot for a studio with what 2 IP's?
It will be 8 years since the release of Destiny 2 by the time Marathon is supposed to take over the mantel as their main focus as their next big GaaS. Depending on how successful it was their next game would've been another 5-6 years out from there if they followed the same tracjectory. Bungie did have several other projects in various forms of development though like Gummie Bears and Matter. Sony took one of them to form a new SIE studio to ramp up production. The issue seems to be they grew too fast during COVID and couldn't deliver with the expansions before The Final Shape. Bungie went from 700-800 employees in 2021 to over 1300 by 2023 before the first cuts happened in October that year. The bubble bursting is beating everyone's ass.
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
I want to see a Destiny built for actual current gen hardware ...always hated the idea of mixing D2 so long
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
And thats a problem a lot of tech companies had. Sales zoomed up during covid lockdown and many went ape shit hiring think covid golden goose sales will keep going forever.
Traditional companies making shit in factories didnt get caught. Thats why despite sales going back down, people probably didnt hear too many saying they are cutting 5% or 5,000 jobs due to too many factory jobs or too many 24 hour assembly lines being shut down. The companies just stuck out out and when society went back to normal, the employee count was already normalized.
There were exceptions. Peloton being the hall of fame posterboy of fad sales for a year. And then rock bottom sales after that year leading to the worst financial ever and literally a stoppage in manufacturing.
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
Because fuckin Jim got greedy eyes over GaaS crap ...so Bungie kinda made sense (if your a Ceo bent on making that sweet sweet gaas money). This has fucked PS5 owners though who now are behind as all hell in two areas: single player big budget exclusives and Sony being the graphics king ...they've been surpassed this gen by Ubisoft for christ sakes
clarky
Gold Member
Yeah on my run through the Final shape it was really starting to show its age (on PC).
Personally I would have liked to see a D3.
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That's the amount of staff it took to just run Destiny 2 throughout the years before they were acquired by PlayStation. They'll still have people developing content packs to close out their 10 year plan for D2. If Marathon is just as ambitious as the predecessor the number makes sense. Other projects are in various forms of development so a small portion may be dedicated to them too aside from the team being branched into the new studio. If they don't deliver I see it being shrunk again with PlayStation using the talent to incubate more IPs, create new studios, or just use them as new support teams.
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SonGoku
Member
I don't get it so are they making destiny 3 or not?
Seems like a incredibly wasteful investment on Sony part to buy this studio for 3 billion and not at least exploit destiny ip popularity with at least one more entry.
If their next big game (marathon?) isnt a resounding success all the people responsible for bungies acquisition should be held accountable
Seems like a incredibly wasteful investment on Sony part to buy this studio for 3 billion and not at least exploit destiny ip popularity with at least one more entry.
If their next big game (marathon?) isnt a resounding success all the people responsible for bungies acquisition should be held accountable
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clarky
Gold Member
They have all this year mapped out and Frontiers D2 expansion next year. D2 isnt going anywhere it seems.
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
3.7 billion....
Solarstrike
Member
I know I'm not alone in remembering the first time setting foot in Destiny 1. It was something special in gaming and it's not often that a game comes along as holds interest like Destiny does. After following the news of it's development for years, from articles to E3's, then to finally be able to play it? I'm sure we all can remember. Exploring the different worlds with friends, family, or just wandering around by yourself and discovering new areas. I've been playing the game(s) for years along with my brothers and even my mother who is in her 70's was playing both Destiny 1 and 2 for a bit on her XBox. Destiny's interesting characters and countless memorable moments to experience is what keeps players coming back. The level design is incredibly well done throughout and has some of the best environmental design(s) by far in an open world/mmo game. The music and audio production is incredible from past to present. But the important thing about Destiny is that it's fun and entertaining. Well, most of the time at least. It can be frustrating trying to figure out puzzles or quests. That is where the Community shines. There's always a YouTube video of someone explaining how to do this or that or the best gear builds to have so you don't get your ass handed to you in PVP or Dungeons.
Destiny 1 and 2 are one long journey and we're all on the same ship. That ship is refueling now, probably getting some upgrades here and there as well as optimizations. All our ghosts need if I can say, is a bit of patience and spark. As factions from Vex to Cabal, Hive to Scorn, Taken, and the Fallen reorganize after the defeat of the Witness, so do the creators. Things have to move around and reshape otherwise they become stagnant, decay, fade. Destiny doesn't deserve to fade nor it's light be extinguished.
Destiny 1 and 2 are one long journey and we're all on the same ship. That ship is refueling now, probably getting some upgrades here and there as well as optimizations. All our ghosts need if I can say, is a bit of patience and spark. As factions from Vex to Cabal, Hive to Scorn, Taken, and the Fallen reorganize after the defeat of the Witness, so do the creators. Things have to move around and reshape otherwise they become stagnant, decay, fade. Destiny doesn't deserve to fade nor it's light be extinguished.
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clarky
Gold Member
Sounds like you didn't get fired from Bungie today, congrats.
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clarky
Gold Member
What blunders and Dramas? They had a few shitty expansions and some good ones just like any GAAS and a crap launch and recovery for both titles, again like most GAAS.
Destiny has been a highly successful and beloved franchise for many years for a lot of folks.
tmlDan
Member
If i was Sony i'd ask them to make a D3, make it a launch title for PS6.
A spin-off is the worst possible idea. But they HAVE to make it much better than D2.
Solarstrike
Member
The "fired" employees will be just fine. Jeeesh, give them some credit and confidence. I tried to post something positive. :/
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clarky
Gold Member
People get laid off every day i have bigger things to worry about than other peoples jobs 5000k miles away, im sure they will be fine, I work contracting and find myself out of work multiple times a year yet you wont find me on Twitter moaning about it.
FWIW:
I spend a bit in Eververse over the years, Bought D1 every expansion D2 every expansion and season pass. Ok for you?
I don't need to support Bungie employees as they got paid for their work. I don't believe in charities either, I prefer to help people in need directly myself so i know my efforts or $ are going to those who need it.
Credit and confidence ? Give me a break.
Edit , nice edit lol.
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Solarstrike
Member
Way over your head dude. You are on a whole different planet and I wish you well. You're attitude is negative af! You're a Cabal probably!
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AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
As per recent leaked tweets, seems SONy might of been bamboozled and Bungie oversold their output and plans which makes sense, of course you want to put icing on the cake on your product before you sell. SONY read the room too late when people are already getting sick of GAAS and all bungie has in them is 2 GAAS games.
AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
No, you are just being a Karen for no reason, pretending to care.
clarky
is right...you couldnt care less about someone on another continent losing their job when literally people across the street of my apartment are closing down their business and laying off their staff. I dont see them on twitter or asking for gofundme tips. People here seem to think only the gaming industry has layoffs. Literally go into any store in your town and ask how many people they fired this year. Its been a 2 years of financial blunder and the way businesses stay afloat is by reducing the size of their staff and cost cutting. Business 101.
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Orbital2060
Member
Payback
all the money wasted on Destiny
all the money wasted on Destiny
I find it geniunely surprising that Destiny is appearantly so unsustainable as a franchise. It's got crazy good player retention even at times when the game was presumed dead. What could it possibly be if not bad spending by the leadership etc. ? I do recall Destiny 1 having a lot of engine issues. Like it would take hours for simple sandbox changes to go into effect for developper inspection or something, making it a hell to make new content for.
hyperbertha
Member
They are all in one marathon looks like. No hope of them going back to single player
MagnetoWasRight
Member
This is literally the "Quit having fun" meme.Praise the fuckin' Sun if true.
Hairsplash
Member
i loved destiny,(the only shooter that i felt was good at) have both of the destiny special edition ps4’s… but it turned it a nightmare “pay to play” mess with egregiously, expensive seasons, and stupidly expensive digital tchotchkes…
sometimes people just want to kill time doing something enjoyable before going sleep, then doing the job grind daily…
like Overwatch was in the hayday… play the game, win half, did not matter your skill, it was adjusted. so an enjoyable time kill… (i am not i good shooter, so i played Mercy, and when they f’d up mercy… gone.)
sometimes people just want to kill time doing something enjoyable before going sleep, then doing the job grind daily…
like Overwatch was in the hayday… play the game, win half, did not matter your skill, it was adjusted. so an enjoyable time kill… (i am not i good shooter, so i played Mercy, and when they f’d up mercy… gone.)
Well, a company laying off potentially upwards of 25% of its workforce is certainly not an indication that things are going *great*.
The shame is, while "Destiny 2" was wildly unnecessary for the franchise at the time, I actually think "Destiny 3" is probably much more enticing. They're pretty much wrapped up all of the story and intrigue laid out by the first Destiny, and specifically in The Final Shape, it seems quite clear that Bungie is flirting with the notion of abandoning the concept of "classes", as evidenced by many of the new systems and exotics they've introduced.
The idea of having a whole new start, where instead of playing three different flavors of human, makes much more sense if Bungie had plans to either eliminate those divides (playing a single, highly-customizable character), or even having "classes" by way of playing different alien races, like the Eliksni.
Time will tell, but I have to admit, things certainly don't seem terribly optimistic for Bungie right now. It's clear that Sony is asserting control over the company, and that hasn't typically led to a lot of good products.
The shame is, while "Destiny 2" was wildly unnecessary for the franchise at the time, I actually think "Destiny 3" is probably much more enticing. They're pretty much wrapped up all of the story and intrigue laid out by the first Destiny, and specifically in The Final Shape, it seems quite clear that Bungie is flirting with the notion of abandoning the concept of "classes", as evidenced by many of the new systems and exotics they've introduced.
The idea of having a whole new start, where instead of playing three different flavors of human, makes much more sense if Bungie had plans to either eliminate those divides (playing a single, highly-customizable character), or even having "classes" by way of playing different alien races, like the Eliksni.
Time will tell, but I have to admit, things certainly don't seem terribly optimistic for Bungie right now. It's clear that Sony is asserting control over the company, and that hasn't typically led to a lot of good products.