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Destiny |OT15| What Cheese May Come
- Thread starter Hawkian
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KINGofCRA5H
Member
what the fuck is this
Orthogonal
Member
Even without the despawn, I wonder if Ogres still show up after 1 or 2 make it across. If so, it will still be easy to clear without everyone making it across.
Nope. It's today. But they have to pull the trigger for Hard raid to be unlocked tomorrow.
i got it too.
Orthogonal
Member
I think they said it was coming now but the update activates at a set time tomorrow.
Oh cool. I logged in and saw the update screen flash for a second or so before hitting the character screen.
Yup
Orthogonal
Member
Because the end game is a loot game based on RNG. This shapes player behavior to do whatever is most efficient over fun 99% of the time.
At least what people perceive as efficient. Results may vary.
DrDrizzay101
Member
I don't care about cheeses for HM tomorrow, we were always going to do it legit anyway. I even expect Bungie to not acknowledge any "world's first" that wasn't done legit.
How dare you let us down with a flimsy top of the page post like that! Only the very best posts allowed at the top! Stuff like me saying "The grind is real, guys".... real in depth like that, see?!
Hard mode comes out tomorrow right?
Edit: That fresh page pressure >_<
How dare you let us down with a flimsy top of the page post like that! Only the very best posts allowed at the top! Stuff like me saying "The grind is real, guys".... real in depth like that, see?!
EL CUCO
Member
I'm guessing the changes we'll see is a few more Wizrards, Vestiges, Shielded Knights (bring your Murmur or Arc weapon of choice), and no chalice (or limited chalice). Maybe we have to kill a Gatekeeper to access the chalice.
And no revives ofcourse.
So I need to log out before 1 PM EST? Fine by me. Gives me time to set up the party and shit.
Dhruv_hanom
Member
Being lvl 32 at the sword has spoilt me wonder how HM is gonna go.
Because most people are lazy and just want their loot as quick as possible. It's a shame but that's the way it is.
Orthogonal
Member
You are top of page police from now on. We have standards here now dammit.
silver.tongue
Member
I don't understand some people's mentality. I understand cheesing it solo if you had no other way, but I level up so I can experience the content. When I got to 30 I was excited because I could finally do the raid. I want to get to level 32 so I can do the hard raid and get cool things. I feel like too many people forget the game is supposed to be fun.
Dhruv_hanom
Member
They should rename the first part to the slaughtering for HM. I have a feeling that's exactly what it's going to be.
I'll try harder for a glorious first post next time
DrDrizzay101
Member
haha exactly, glad you understand. Were you able to get any Atheon kills done? Just let me know if you need people for a team to bust him up.
Because they fixed the lamps exploding sending you up that path so they obviously don't want people to take the shortcut.
The rock gives you option to just jump up and take the shortcut; why wouldn't they implement a way to prevent that?
Orthogonal
Member
It probably elicits an eye-roll from Bungie, but it is hardly game breaking for the encounter. Saves a few minutes at most. The hiding rock at the exit is more of an exploit than the jumping one.
noomi
Member
stahp! do you play a lot of crucible? I've never even seen anyone get any sort of exotic from crucible.
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MeisaMcCaffrey
Orthogonal
Member
Not yet, haven't been able to play again. I will be on tonight. Will let you know if I need help, I will see if others need kill first. Thanks for the cp though.
Thanks for listening! This was a good read and you have some ideas I think are right on the money. Your post reminded me of two points I don't think I remembered to mention in the heat of the debate at all, but I think are pretty relevant:
- I know I brought up the newbie raids in another context in there somewhere, I think on the topic of rerunning VoG vs. CE, but I really wanted to mention it in the sense of matchmaking... and by that I mean: I run, on a regular basis, full raids with groups comprised mainly of first-timers and/or people who have done the raid once or twice. In these runs, everyone knows exactly what they're getting into, and by nature they include someone who knows the raid by heart and can lead and improvise with issues that come up. And yet these raids can still sometimes end up getting stuck for multiple hours at a tricky spot; there are a lot of variables from group class composition to weapon breakdown to level distribution, all of which can be overcome, but not through sheer force of will- you actually have to account for where errors are occurring, make adjustments, consider reassigning roles, etc.
In these cases, everyone in the party needs to be extremely patient, and someone needs to offer positive reinforcement and keep morale up- because while from my perspective, I can tell we're making big strides in progress- even if we don't necessarily do more damage to the boss, or people still die- from the perspective of someone who's never beaten the boss before at all, it can seem a lot like they never will after 10+ failures. Can you expect that of any one of 6 blindly matchmade teammates, let alone all of them? The feeling of satisfaction when getting a kill with such a group is incredibly rewarding. But more than anything else, it's these experiences which solidified my stance on matchmaking* for the raid. "It won't affect you" is so, so far from the point- I'm totally looking at it from the perspective of a wide-eyed Guardian who beams down to the Moon looking for a fun experience and winds up in a hellacious clusterfuck of impatience and misunderstanding. Especially Crota, which can be a <30 minute affair for an even mildly coordinated team with a 32 sword, but last 3+ hours if just a few variables are changed. They might come away from this thinking they got a bad group, sure- but they also might come away thinking the game is bad, or too hard, or too confusing- whereas I don't want raids made any easier or tutorialized.
*Whenever I think of matchmaking for the raid, it's "blind" (unfiltered) matchmaking. Every criterion/caveat you add for queuing (must have completed raid twice, must have mic, must be level 31, etc.) will increase the % success rate of the group but decrease the number of players who can benefit from the system in the first place. Especially if we're talking about adding this for players to get INTO the raid, these are counterintuitive.
- For Nightfalls, any kind of matchmaking addition, a vote-kick system like you've described is CRUCIAL. This is because Nightfalls invite a scenario which could be uniquely infuriating given the wrong group... namely, if one or more players goes AFK and the other two die... there's no restart, there's no wipe and go to orbit, you just have to SIT there. In other words an AFK jerk can literally put a Nightfall group in Limbo, unable to either finish or restart, in exactly the way they can't for a (matchmade) playlist strike. This kind of behavior needs to be accounted for, because it will always exist.
Hm? They obviously have an issue with it or they wouldn't have patched the lamps.
The shortcut is ridiculously quick and easy. You are right though that the rocks at the bridge are another issue and what make the bridge forming in particular a joke.
I disagree, it does break the encounter. It's the same thing as getting blasted by the lamp up to the next section in that it stops the thralls from spawning once you get up there. You literally just have to walk to the end and there's only one Knight to deal with or run past.
DrDrizzay101
Member
!&!&@&!))&!& 8fy80y)!)!))!
There was a Universal Remote at my Post Master! I had no idea! I am legitimately excited about this! (Edit: also my 6th Vex)
8fy80y)!)!))!There was a Universal Remote at my Post Master! I had no idea! I am legitimately excited about this! (Edit: also my 6th Vex)
lol @ CROAT
silver.tongue
Member
Heres what I'm guessing:
1) No revives.
2) More knights during lantern "walk". Wizards during the "hold" part. Quicker lanterns.
3) Oversoul during the Bridge part. Activating out of nowhere.
4) Gatekeepers during Crota fight.
5) Oversoul activating out of nowhere during Crota fight.
6) Chalice will disappear after a while beeing held. it will reappear during the same fight. Safe room will not be safe anymore somehow.
Not sure how they plan to "change" deathsinger and shrieker corridor besides throwing more enemies at us tho.
Alkohallick
Member
Looking for 2 for the nightfall
ps4
Alkohallilck
ps4
Alkohallilck
!&!&@&!))&!&
There was a Universal Remote at my Post Master! I had no idea! I am legitimately excited about this!
Hahaha, dude!
I was missing 4th Horseman and Universal Remote to complete my collection.
I got 4th Horseman as a drop in Skirmish last night and this morning I got UR from the Gorgon chest and I was freaking out over arguably the shittiest exotic.
Congrats.
I will!
I'm in, sending you a FR.
Alkohallick
Member
Shoot me a fr or join it's on public
It's also because players are allowed to attempt the raid at low levels they have no business trying at. So the only way to win if you are trying at low level is to cheese if you can.
Orthogonal
Member
I guess removing the rock is harder than adding baby bumpers. Maybe they are delaying that patch because resources are deployed adding more vault space or fixing heavy ammo bug right?!?
Darryl M R
Member
Any HM Atheon runs happening later today? I need to kill him twice.
everyday math
Banned
NEW MIC HAS BEEN GOTTEN!! woot woot
Now I can talk to Nami and pretend he'll answer me.
Now I can talk to Nami and pretend he'll answer me.
silver.tongue
Member
The explosion would let you skip most of the lantern section and would leave you with no enemies most of the way. To use the rock you still need to do the whole thing.
That's a big difference.
I think the jumping one was worse.
The only thing I dont understand is why the knights wont spawn if you are on top of the rock.
I also found Crota's End to be a poorly designed raid that was no where near as fun to run as VoG. The crazy lantern run at the start is the only part that felt good. Rest of the raid is a mess. So that influenced me wanting to cheese it.
everyday math
Banned
I forgot your mic broke.
No wonder you weren't talking in our Nightfall run.
Willing to run it again >_>?