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Destiny |OT34| Stop Hammer Time!
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SPACECADET
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i just really want a cabal raid. they're by far my favorite enemy and i'd love to see what they could do with it. or fallen i guess. we've already had vex, hive and hive again.
as for xur. once again 3oC stocks up for the week. i'm actually glad he sells garbage with everything else. 3oC has made grinding out the strikes exciting for me. i'd just like it if i could get a 310 zhalo and a 310 titan armor now.
as for xur. once again 3oC stocks up for the week. i'm actually glad he sells garbage with everything else. 3oC has made grinding out the strikes exciting for me. i'd just like it if i could get a 310 zhalo and a 310 titan armor now.
You can rest assured that it will be fixed very soon.
Just like everything else that has been broken in this game.
Twilight Gap
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But that's across weapon classes, there's not one weapon that people are always going to like Thorn/TLW were. And you can still get chewed up close by a Monte Carlo / TLW while manning a pulse, and a Jade Rabbit will dettach your skull from a distance.
I'm not saying it is well-balanced, I'm just saying it's the most balanced it has been hence why you see so many different guns being used.
Gunslinger, the God.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUVw_EIcaKo
I uploaded this just for you! I didn't even have explosive pyre on, lol.
And it still had a couple hammers left over after I ran across the map and threw 2, lol. Why it isn't capped off at 3 like GG is the biggest head scratcher to me. Well, that and the fact that it drains like an IV drip compared to the others.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUVw_EIcaKo
I uploaded this just for you! I didn't even have explosive pyre on, lol.
And it still had a couple hammers left over after I ran across the map and threw 2, lol. Why it isn't capped off at 3 like GG is the biggest head scratcher to me. Well, that and the fact that it drains like an IV drip compared to the others.
NBP are now a really fun exotic. They are a legitimate PVP exotic as well, which makes them sort of special for Defenders. I would say for raids and hard PVE stuff the Saint - 14 is still more useful, (or Ruin Wings) simply because sniper rifles tend to get more use in high end PVE than shotguns and if you aren't running a shotgun then NBP don't make sense.
I've been alternating between Sunbreaker and Defender with NBP and the Defender is definitely more interesting to play. The downside is of course, you loose sniper. Force Barrier is great for being able to survive a short range clash and then getting out of there before you die.
I used exactly this plan to great effect this morning during Salvage and let me tell you it was a pretty fantastic combination for that particular game mode.
I miss Vestian Dynasty. =( I wish we'd get some more space age laser type sidearms rather than these silenced toys we're getting now.
Hammer may be OP but I'm trained at this point to jump away when ever I hear that sound. Sometimes I don't make it but a lot of times I do. It's even better when they chase and don't kill you because then they essentially wasted their entire super!
Again I'm not arguing that Sunbreakers aren't out of whack as compared to other classes' supers but neither are they impossible to deal with. They are actually easier to escape from than a Bladedancer or a Golden Gun assuming you aren't 5 feet away when they activate (in which case any super would kill you).
Lightning grenades are the only positive thing I can say about Striker.
My striker class has literally become my 'agility' class that I just switch to for jumping puzzles, etc so I don't have to flip the bubbles on the 2 'real' classes. I understand completely that Sunbreaker needs to be looked at, but Titans have been screaming from the mountains for a year that the Striker class is significantly out classed in both PvE and PvP yet I haven't seen anyone riot yet to get this fixed.
Just saying that they should give both priority...
Twilight Gap
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Sunbreaker isn't the only kit that needs tweaking but it's the only one that is overstepping its role.And generally speaking, oversteppers have always been dealt with before underperformers.
shoulder charge is difficult to get off because of range and activation timer. Plus any shotgun stops it.
Oh god those multikills in Crucible with the Imprecation seems impossible.
Does Bungie wants us to suffer with these quests? First having to stand around for hours in patrol waiting for Taken, then farming for hours to get exotic sword, then waiting for hours for Warsat and now having to suffer in crucible with the worst weapon in the game.
Does Bungie wants us to suffer with these quests? First having to stand around for hours in patrol waiting for Taken, then farming for hours to get exotic sword, then waiting for hours for Warsat and now having to suffer in crucible with the worst weapon in the game.
PrivateWHudson
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I was getting destroyed by some dude with a Supercell in IB last night. I don't know if it was the user or the gun, but wow...wrekt.
Teasing_Pink
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You don't need crucible multikills. The only crucible step is to get a number of headshot kills over the course of the entire match. The other two can be done in pve.
Twilight Gap
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The game was good at launch. All they had to do was nerf fusion and auto rifles.
Orochinagis
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Inv , ShikiAoi
Honestly, while I do agree that Sunbreakers' special is a little OP, I am not really killed more by them than anyone else. Their super activation is really loud, so when you hear it pop you just run away. I find myself killed many more times by Golden Gun and Warlock-Sith Powers. Also, that K/D ratio chart showed not much a difference in KD between subclasses.
If anything, I would say that Sunbreakers' super should be even louder when activated, reduce the shield by maybe 50%, and make the health regen on kills a little weaker.
If anything, I would say that Sunbreakers' super should be even louder when activated, reduce the shield by maybe 50%, and make the health regen on kills a little weaker.
Please don't nerf my sunbreaker in pve, I really don't care in pvp. I'd be fine with them reducing the bonus armor and explosion radius.
Problem is probably "Forge Master" since it allows a couple extra hammers and bigger explosions from them. I always use suncharge for pvp, and for pve I switch between suncharge and scorched earth. But it probably won't get changed for ages anyway. Supers kill a lot of people in pvp, for the most part, and I think bungie wants it that way. I wouldn't be surprised if they buffed the others!
Problem is probably "Forge Master" since it allows a couple extra hammers and bigger explosions from them. I always use suncharge for pvp, and for pve I switch between suncharge and scorched earth. But it probably won't get changed for ages anyway. Supers kill a lot of people in pvp, for the most part, and I think bungie wants it that way. I wouldn't be surprised if they buffed the others!
gutterboy44
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I think it would interesting if Bungie balanced PVP super counters the way the legendary and exotic swords are, where the matched elemental type does extra damange. So a golden gun would be really great at taking out a Sunbreaker, but not a storm caller. A Nighstalker could penetrate titan bubbles, and so on. It could make for some strategic play and having to balance if you want to change up a class in the middle of a match or just play to your strengths.
Twilight Gap
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I tried to run away from a Sunbreaker on Memento once. He killed me on one side of the map, ran to the other side and killed me again. Only other class that can do that is Gunslinger and I can at least snipe him.
I only bring reality and truth to the masses. People say something isn't OP when it is just seek attention and it very annoying
Ha yeah just read the description again. This changes everything then.
Exactly. If you avoid the Sunbreaker, then it's not bad. Watch the clip someone posted a few pages ago. Everyone stood still and took shots at him with their rifle. HOW HAVE THEY NOT LEARNED THAT IT'S AUTOMATIC DEATH IF YOU DO THAT?
Souldestroyer Reborn
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Yussss just got the IB hunter cloak to drop at the end of the match 
296 too!
296 too!
He must have been very accurate with those hammers then. Warlocks can do the same thing with lightning/blink, albeit, they have to get a heck of a lot closer.
Twilight Gap
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They home and have splash damage. When I spawned, fastest class was already looking at me.
All the crying about sunbreakers... I'm sure bungie will overnerf it and it will become useless.
Hammerbros, let us enjoy it while it lasts.
I love when the enemy team is playing smart, focus shooting me. I'm about to die when i see some scrub just standing there herp derping. Oh sweet health regen. Hammers for everyone.
Also in IB when my teams sucks and we're being destroyed (which is like 4 matches out of 5). My super fills up. Time for some retribution. Proceed to slaughter the enemy team. And then blow kisses.
Hammerbros, let us enjoy it while it lasts.
I love when the enemy team is playing smart, focus shooting me. I'm about to die when i see some scrub just standing there herp derping. Oh sweet health regen. Hammers for everyone.
Also in IB when my teams sucks and we're being destroyed (which is like 4 matches out of 5). My super fills up. Time for some retribution. Proceed to slaughter the enemy team. And then blow kisses.
Transcendence makes it easier with that whole 30 second super thing.
Well, since he had no way of knowing where you spawn, that's also terrible luck on your part aswell.
To be fair, on that second clip a GG with combust would have like had a similar effect. Those guys were almost stacked on top of one another.
What if cauterize could only activate once during the super? And additionally it was changed so that the meter drained quicker but each hammer drained less of the super. That way you could spam hammers at a stationary target (boss dps) but wouldn't have time to roam around a map killing the entire team. At most you could clear a room (like void bomb or GG with combust).
ReignofSparrows
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You sound like you have some sick fucking skillz bro.
Twilight Gap
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It's memento. The spawns are terribly predictable.
It happened 3 times that game - each time he had his super.
Also had teammates who were going for sword kills
Jest Chillin
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I mean.. I get what you're saying.. but to me it felt like even when Thorn and TLW were around.. it was Hand Cannon's in general that were strong. Hawkmoon, for example, had a bit higher skill cap but was particularly deadly at longer distances with LitC.
Right now, it just feels like the current meta is just starting to solidify. So while there's a lot of variety right this second.. given time enough for everyone to get the right loadouts.. it's going to settle into the same things it did last time. Someone will find THE Pulse rifle and THE shotgun and people will flock to that. It's going to be hindered by Weapon Parts nerf, sure. But we're already seeing specific shotguns reoccuring everywhere. Snipers are nearly always 1k Stare. PR's are balancing between Red Death and Bad Juju primarily. Likely the IB PR for those that don't want to run Exotic Primary.
robertlebrone
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Joke post?
Situational melee that anyone with a shotgun and general awareness can stop cold.
And a super that sucks so much people only use it as a panic response if someone sneaks up on you.
Striker is garbage.
igordennis
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If i die to a sunbreaker that just popped his super i wait a few seconds before respawning to avoid this. Good design folks.
You may have misunderstood. I was saying I'm getting more kills with my sniper, not killed by snipers. And the range on shotguns is part of why I said they are easier to use.
We had a rule that the SB had to announce when he popped his super....that "clink" drives people nutty.
JohnOfMars
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Been running No Backup Plans all week during IB. Solo Queuing. My team's win % is >75%. Why? Because I can take B and hold it unless a Year One Super decides to end my party.
I'm running Spare Change .25 / Invective / HMG.
For my perks: Increased Control, Armor of Light, Unbreakable, Bastion (although Relentless is stackable & adds 5 seconds, I prefer a longer Bubble) & Untouchable. Specced for Max Armor/Recovery. Recovery got a major boost in TTK.
If you want tips on running Defender in general, I really like this video. So many practical tips for PvP play in general, but also for Defenders.
Also, TrueVanguard did a HoW build video on Defenders with No Backup Plans that's excellent. It showcases an aggressive non-camping strategy for Defenders. One that *really* catches people off guard when you storm out of your bubble and absolutely destroy them because they're so shocked.
I'm a very conservative player (i.e. not aggressive pusher), so I don't wind up using Force Barrier that much outside of my bubble. Inside my bubble, it gives me an overshield on a shotgun kill immediately. That means if two people push in, I don't have to dip out of my bubble again to get my armor back. I can just keep on trucking.
Defenders got a major boost, but I think mostly for Objective based PvP matches. I can't imagine running Defender in Trials, no matter how much I love the Subclass.
Twilight Gap
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1000 Yard Stare is high impact and high aim assist. Coming off of House of Wolves where most people switched to high impact for Trials and chased Her Benevolence for aim assist, it was logically going to be the choice. We'd see more variety if the other snipers were high impact, but everything else is Patience and Time or Praedyth tier.
I'll join.
So now I'm dumb and seeking attention. You are a class act.
I wasn't seeking attention, in fact, just stating a few examples from my experience. You're response and side of the argument, "you're dumb". Ah now I see it! Nice, man.
ReignofSparrows
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So what are the common defenses of the Sunbreaker super right now? Let's see:
1. You must be a salty non-Titan to care about balance.
2. Overpowered Titans are cool because they were underpowered before.
3. Hammer is not overpowered because you can run away and not respawn. You can also turn off your console to be extra sure you don't die.
These are all asinine.
1. You must be a salty non-Titan to care about balance.
2. Overpowered Titans are cool because they were underpowered before.
3. Hammer is not overpowered because you can run away and not respawn. You can also turn off your console to be extra sure you don't die.
These are all asinine.
I think sunbreaker needs a small nerf to damage reduction but stormcallers can do the same thing in that video.
Twilight Gap
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Well Stormcaller's super lasts too long but if we're going to keep bringing up other classes that also need fixes, we'll have to go through all 9 of them.
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