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Destiny |OT34| Stop Hammer Time!
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Joke post?
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
Just uninstall Destiny! There you go! All balance problems instantly solved!
No I don't get your point. Of course a striker super is and should destroy everything in it's path. And afaik it does (does it kill a Sunbreaker?)
MrAnderson
Member
IIRC the best way to counter golden gun and blade dancer in ToO was to just run away. How is that any better? Sunbreakers aren't invincible, but I feel like if one super is going to get the nerf then a few others should as well.
ReignofSparrows
Member
One of the worst posts on this forum.
Control is faster than blink. And 'more annoying' isn't a worthwhile metric.
As for this 'won't guarantee victory' point - nobody is saying a Sunbreaker guarantees victory. That is dumb and arguing this strawman is even dumber. On the whole Sunbreakers are too powerful. That's the argument, end of story. Not how annoying it is. Not how many times you personally die as a Sunbreaker. Stop making it about other made up shit because it shows you have no real counter to what's actually being said.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
The point is, a smart bladedancer will be able to outmaneuver an enemy team just like a smart sunbreaker won't end up running around for a minute trying to find someone to hit.
Are you saying Blink isn't the best jump skill in PvP
When it's been nerfed multiple times
What am I reading
And what does this have to do with the fact that the Bladedancer or every other super looses to a Sunbreaker?
3v3 is a lot different than 6v6. I don't think Sunbreakers are all that bad in 3v3 from my time in Elimination. The majority of supers will win a round by themselves without being countered, and that's just how the balance of the game works out.
ReignofSparrows
Member
Again, you are making the argument about something totally different because you have to. It is obvious the Sunbreaker is better than the BD, and you have to reach for shit like the state of pre-nerf blink to form an incoherent argument so take your 'what am I reading' shit elsewhere.
At least for blink you have to have some kind of skill to use it.
I totally suck at using it and miss ledges all the time. Triple Jump 4tw.
Sunbros on the other hand...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi5kNtmoVqE
Strangelove77
Member
Wow, people defending the broken Sunbreaker. You CAN find anything on the Internet.
Hope it gets nerfed into the ground. It's best just to assume it will. Bungie loves doing that.
Hope it gets nerfed into the ground. It's best just to assume it will. Bungie loves doing that.
Subtervotion
Member
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Actually Striker and Voidlock beat out sunbreaker so no....not ever super loses to sunbreaker.
Sunbreakers are strong because the meta fits them, but they aren't 'omg so broken can't play anymore'.
I've also killed many Sunbreakers with a sniper rifle, but there wasn't a SINGLE Sunbreaker kill that wasn't a trade kill.
toastyToast
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One for iron banner
Revolutionary
Member
I assure you that Sunbreaker supers are also going to be nerfed - possibly multiple times. That should tell you something about their current 'balance'.
Ok so then compare those supers again please. People posted the pros and cons several times.
Sunbreaker loses to two of them (3 if you do not skill armor) but still has every benefit from almost every super of the game. Plus you can play super dumb as a SB and just steamroll everything. You can evaporate the enemy team and defend a point in Control for ages.
Hit me up!
And the nobel prize goes to ReignofSparrows 👍
GlamFM
Banned
Woohoo!
IB rank five achieved.
Bought everything, but the sidearm - that was a drop.
Infused it with all my Raid dupes and I´m now 304 with IB gear (306 with Raid gear).
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EDIT: When is the next IB?
IB rank five achieved.
Bought everything, but the sidearm - that was a drop.
Infused it with all my Raid dupes and I´m now 304 with IB gear (306 with Raid gear).
Overall really cool IB. the stuff looks amazing and is, to me, way more desirable than the horrible looking Raid gear.
EDIT: When is the next IB?
SkylineRKR
Member
Boots dropped right after I bought them lol. Slightly higher defense, better roll and Capture King instead of respawn.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Depending on how they're nerfed. If they nerf armor, that's fine. But people will still complain because 'mah 1 hit ranged kills'. Their damage was never the problem, it was their armor. But even after that fact people will still complain.
Why should you compare the supers? If we use that metric then Sunsingers and Defenders are incredibly the worst because,'you can't play dumb as a SB and just steamroll everything'.
Yup. Nerf the armor, sure. That's fine. Put it in line with a stormtrances armor, remove the fantasy of being a Titan and..you know...being the most armored class. But people won't stop complaining until they can only throw 2 hammers, die in 1 bullet, and the hammer fizzles out 3 feet infront of them.
People act like Sunbreakers came into their home, burned down everything they owned, then blew up their car, then hammered them at the work place, and then deleted all their Destiny data.
Ehm I compare supers because I want to point out how SB has every good thing about every other super and is broken?
Jeez what's wrong with you
I don't want the classe nerfed to the ground, it just has to be balanced and is not ok in it's current state.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Ehm I compare supers because I want to point out how SB has every good thing about every other super and is broken?
Jeez what's wrong with you
I don't want the classe nerfed to the ground, it just has to be balanced and is not ok in it's current state.
So you're saying a Sunbreaker should just be 1 hit like a Voidwalker and Striker? Why else are you comparing the supers? Titans have always had the most armor out of any class, and now they finally get a super they can use offensively. Better compare it to a voidwalker and say 'oh no they're getting evvverrrything!'
Jest Chillin
Member
In ToO, the counter to GG is a Sniper Rifle unless you're in close quarters, then it's create distance so you can use your Sniper Rifle. The counter to Blade Dancer is create space and focus fire. In both of those cases, you're creating space specifically so you can counter the super. Distance makes it harder for a GG user to hit you, and gives you time to focus fire the Blade Dancer down while they're awkwardly trying to swim towards you because they can only walk or swim through the air.
Sunbreakers strat is to run away because they can throw the hammers long distances, the hammers have tracking, prox detonation, AND splash damage.. and the moment you get killed by one, they regen health making it even harder for your team to take them out.
Blade Dancer is particularly more awkward to maneuver while avoiding enemy fire. It's pretty easy to buy extra time against one simply by using your jump to change directions. Sunbreaker is particularly harder to avoid.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
That video is just everyone being in the area of the breaker and others rushing in. Same thing would have happened with golden gun with 4 shots.
"I can't respond without not making sense so I'll stop arguing"
Figures
Yes, you have won.
SB is totally fine in it's state. Nothing wrong here. People need to move on!
Goodbye sir.
Agent_Tiro
Member
I have OHKO sunbros a few times. And every single one has been down to their skill tree and not having maxed armour on top of me being at sufficient range that they couldn't see me or I was already covering a lane with my high impact sniper.
If that same sunbro saw me and I still got the shot off it would be a trade.
If a sunbro with Max armour saw me I would be dead and he would have a slither of health that would immediately regen to full. Meaning that my team mates are screwed.
In my opinion sunbro only needs to lose the health regen on kills. It will suddenly become a lot easier to take them down as people focus fire.
Titans are meant to be a bullet sponge and nerfing their Overshield isn't the way to go. Just stop it regenerating.
If that same sunbro saw me and I still got the shot off it would be a trade.
If a sunbro with Max armour saw me I would be dead and he would have a slither of health that would immediately regen to full. Meaning that my team mates are screwed.
In my opinion sunbro only needs to lose the health regen on kills. It will suddenly become a lot easier to take them down as people focus fire.
Titans are meant to be a bullet sponge and nerfing their Overshield isn't the way to go. Just stop it regenerating.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Yarp. Whilst we judge other classes by the sum of their total, Sunbreakers only get judged by their super. Nevermind the fact that Stormtrance has the best melees and grenades with an extremely strong Super that gives them blink+armor+constant DPS, or that Nightstalkers have alot of utility in terms of their map/dodge roll/area of denial grenades/versatile smoke grenades that can be used defensively or offensively.
Sunbreakers meanwhile have armor(Like a titan should), some lackluster grenades(Best pvp one being the sticky. They have area of denial, but unlike the Nightstalker it's not constant fire.) They heal when killing someone with fire which synergizes, but otherwise as a class they're lackluster until the Super is brought into discussion.
Makes sense they have a strong super but are lackluster elsewhere.
People complaining about the overshield have no idea how it works. "Oh Sunbros get overshields and they can move and nuke anything!". Except Titans only get an overshield if they're standing in their fire, making them immobile. "Oh but a titan can hammer ahead and create sunspots!" And what? Not throw a hammer at an enemy? Be restricted to where the sunspots are?
It's like....funny.
It's been repeated many, many times, but if SB could be shutdown by a headshot by a high impact sniper like the other offensive supers and needing to land the hammer for a kill then it would be fine, and still really, really good. I want the super to be good still(like all should be) but in 6v6 it has a bit too much kill potential. When you hear Arc Blades, GG, Stormtrance get popped, the whole team turns on that player to kill them(which sometimes leads to a big push since the other players go unchecked) but when you hear that Hammer on Anvil/Gong the first instinct is to run since it's likely that the Titan is still going to kill 3+ before he gets shutdown.
Alternatively, if the health regen was changed it would be fine too I think, it's just that when they get a kill it goes from a headshot plus another source of damage to 2 headshots plus another source of damage to kill them, which makes things much harder.
Alternatively, if the health regen was changed it would be fine too I think, it's just that when they get a kill it goes from a headshot plus another source of damage to 2 headshots plus another source of damage to kill them, which makes things much harder.
igordennis
Member
Sunbreakers can literally kill a whole team with one hammer and then spawn kill whoever they find while roaming for the next 15 seconds because their super lasts forever. Its broken. The rest of the class perks are mediocre but the super is broken.
EL CUCO
Member
And it feeds orbs to their entire team, thus leading to more Hammers (likely)...
mehrmantrout
Member
Lol, we still arguing about Sunbreakers, just give them the same level of super as Gunslingers and be done with it (3/4 Hammers, can be sniped, turn down the auto aim/range of hammers and slow down the health region)
Had a play around with the IB pulse and its a worthy successor to the Hypescotch
Had a play around with the IB pulse and its a worthy successor to the Hypescotch
Here is the problem with Sunbreaker super:
1) Multi hits (7 hits vs 4 max possible with Gunslinger)
2) Highest Damage reduction for the fastest class
3) AoE OHK attacks
4) Can track/make the character recover health
5) Extremely dumb fire friendly, one can just jump and lob a hammer without even aiming and it works. GG on the other hand needs to be aimed properly since it's not AoE (This is despite the trajectory for hammers compared to GG's hitscan since the maps are not big enough for the trajectory to make any difference)
Point 1 and Point 2 together make up for more than half of the reasons why people are complaining about Sunbreakers.
You might say this gives TItan a chance now that they have a powerful class but making a super powerful is not the way to buff a class, Bladedancer was the best class in game pre TTK but it was because of their abilities rather than their super which was and is still very inconsistent.
Blink has cooldown, their attack animation that they use to cover distance has cooldown and leaves them vulnerable and lag has a tremendous role in determining success because you can kill someone and still get killed since the hit doesn't get registered until much later and you are open to fire for a lot longer due to the nature of close encounter.
Here's something that happened just now. I was in that room in front of C flag in Twilight Gap, and I took a stop there since I heard the Hammer so I wanted the guy to pass, unfortunately the guy decided to head inside rather than outside. Regardless he didn't know I was there (I was crouched) and he didn't even look at me..instead he threw a hammer at C Flag but that Hammer ended up tracking me and killed me despite the fact that I wasn't even visible on his screen and he didn't even have an idea I was there.
My point being, it's not easy to avoid hammers and you actually have to be lucky and the other Titan needs to be totally incompetent to not kill you despite seeing you.
1) Multi hits (7 hits vs 4 max possible with Gunslinger)
2) Highest Damage reduction for the fastest class
3) AoE OHK attacks
4) Can track/make the character recover health
5) Extremely dumb fire friendly, one can just jump and lob a hammer without even aiming and it works. GG on the other hand needs to be aimed properly since it's not AoE (This is despite the trajectory for hammers compared to GG's hitscan since the maps are not big enough for the trajectory to make any difference)
Point 1 and Point 2 together make up for more than half of the reasons why people are complaining about Sunbreakers.
You might say this gives TItan a chance now that they have a powerful class but making a super powerful is not the way to buff a class, Bladedancer was the best class in game pre TTK but it was because of their abilities rather than their super which was and is still very inconsistent.
Bladedancers are easier to kill than Sunbreakers...a lot easier actually.
Blink has cooldown, their attack animation that they use to cover distance has cooldown and leaves them vulnerable and lag has a tremendous role in determining success because you can kill someone and still get killed since the hit doesn't get registered until much later and you are open to fire for a lot longer due to the nature of close encounter.
Here's something that happened just now. I was in that room in front of C flag in Twilight Gap, and I took a stop there since I heard the Hammer so I wanted the guy to pass, unfortunately the guy decided to head inside rather than outside. Regardless he didn't know I was there (I was crouched) and he didn't even look at me..instead he threw a hammer at C Flag but that Hammer ended up tracking me and killed me despite the fact that I wasn't even visible on his screen and he didn't even have an idea I was there.
My point being, it's not easy to avoid hammers and you actually have to be lucky and the other Titan needs to be totally incompetent to not kill you despite seeing you.
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