Bungie would have a problem if they would listen to just big voices. Changes should be supported by numerical data first and then community (meaning everyone) feedback.
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Destiny |OT34| Stop Hammer Time!
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Bungie would have a problem if they would listen to just big voices. Changes should be supported by numerical data first and then community (meaning everyone) feedback.
Exactly. AKA stop listening to twitch streamers, bungie.
TheAquaticApe
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This EXACTLY. I have become a much better player in 2.0 because of this mentality.
I understand everyone wants to have that edge when it comes to PvP, but I personally think we are moving to a new meta where anything and everything can kill you in the right hands. I hope every Trials match I play is this. I loved it in Year 1, but it got stale with the holy trinity of primary guns.
Yes. The RoF is why I love it. It reminds me of the Hopscotch and is easier to engage with in close fights. I am a shotgun player so this helps me when I am close, but not close enough for that shotgun kill.
The loot system hasn't improved much since vanilla. I cleared KF 4 times with my hunter and warlock (8 times total) and only got 2 pieces of armor for each character (302 boots and 309 cloak for Hunter and 307 chest and 307 band for warlock).
I'm crossing my fingers to get some luck before friday or hard mode will have to wait a few more weeks.
gutterboy44
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Those that bought the vendor Nirwen's Mercy, do you run Perfect Balance or Braced Frame? Braced Frame seems to move the stability stat higher, but is there hidden recoil control with Perfect Balance?
EroticSushi
Member
Nope. Might just be the same weapons at a higher weapon attack.
MagnetoWasRight
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Datamining has shown no element on hard mode or Trials adept weapons. They're both black and drop at higher attack values.
https://www.bungie.net/en/armory/Detail?type=item&item=48423573&itemname=Reflection Sum (Adept)
http://www.destinygamewiki.com/wiki/Harrowed_Smite_of_Merain
Interesting that the adept trials weapons are showing two fixed perks and one random, so three total. That's cool.
noomi
Member
Hmm, why thankfully e92? Tell me your story bruh.
I see, hopefully they at least look a bit different though.
Bagh!
The whole problem is just nerfing weapon classes without re-balancing everything. If you nerf Pulse Rifles everyone will just run around with Scout Rifles like Hung Jury and Not Like the Others and you have a whole separate problem on your hands. Pulse Rifles are seemingly the go to choice of weapon but I see plenty of ARs and SRs.
As far as HM goes, if they just throw shields on everything, I'll play enough to do HM exactly once and won't ever play it again. I'm doubtful they can implement any cool new mechanics since the fights are already so narrow as is. Beyond no revives and maybe some essence juggling type thing or longer gaze debuffs, I don't see HM as going to be very fun. I'm ready for HM Crota levels of meltdowns in here.
As far as HM goes, if they just throw shields on everything, I'll play enough to do HM exactly once and won't ever play it again. I'm doubtful they can implement any cool new mechanics since the fights are already so narrow as is. Beyond no revives and maybe some essence juggling type thing or longer gaze debuffs, I don't see HM as going to be very fun. I'm ready for HM Crota levels of meltdowns in here.
I posted about this last page actually.
PERFECT BALANCE by a long shot. Statistically, you'll show higher stability with Braced frame, as you say, but the gun definitely fires straighter with PB. I tested this against braced frame, but also against another Nirwen's I had drop with smallbore, which gets the stability even higher. PB felt the best versus all of the other options.
TheAquaticApe
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It's a tough problem to solve. A portion of the community takes what streamers say as gospel and that filters into the conversation. We all want to know what the best of the best plan to use you know?
mehrmantrout
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At the moment theres no elemental primaries http://db.planetdestiny.com/items?q=harrowed If we have a patch before HM drops it could change
Well, because now I can use any primary without feeling like I am compromising. If they release primaries with elements then only those will be used, just like Year 1.
gutterboy44
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I am so glad there won't be burns on primary raid weapons. It immediately limits your ideal weapons load outs. Bungie should keep making unique perks for high level legendary weapons. Kind of "baby exotics" I think that is much more cool and leads to more build variety than, "use this weapon because it has arc damage." Elemental damage should be the roll of your special and heavy weapons as well as your subclass load out. Especially now that every class has all three elemental types.
Thanks!
Thanks!
That is how you get launched into HM.
PrivateWHudson
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I've been close a few times, then I hear the ping of a hammer and someone's score shoots up 1000 points. I did it on my third or fourth game on my titan.
guybrushfreeman
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I don't understand why leveling subclasses is so slow. I feel like I must be doing it wrong or it's broken or something. One subclass seems to be well over 100 strikes. Daily bounties hardly make a dent. It honestly feels broken. I was going to level a defender Titan but I give up. Grinding it out is horrible and doing a little at a time will take actual weeks. Am I missing something obvious here?
EJRobinson90
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hopscotch pilgrim is the same rof as mirwen;s and red death.
red death has horrible stability compared to a legendary types with braced frame. the health regen perk doesn't make up for it, imo. hopscoth/mirwen/allfate with maxed stability can just pepper headshots without having to aim low. getting quick kills with red death at any kind of range takes a lot longer.
I hope they don't. And I'd still play the shit out of both (mostly trials).
They should put them in the Shade phase of Oryx.
Finn of Ooo
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So they can sell a real money item that will auto level you.
bobbyrawlins
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Fucking kill me now.
I don't know if you're still looking but I'd like to do this.
I can provide the Lnkn52, Phaethon, Blaze and a couple of more versions
Why haven't there been a bounty to knock this guy out already.
guybrushfreeman
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You can imagine my rage if that ever happened.
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Breakfast at Noon
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Is it just me, or should the "level" just be taken out completely?
They really are fucking useless.
"but gear requires the level limit" take it away, aside from me making a level 300+character instantly what does it matter? what does it actually affect?
That said take away the damn lvel next to someones name, no one cares.. either put light level or grimoire.. what ever, fuck it off.
They really are fucking useless.
"but gear requires the level limit" take it away, aside from me making a level 300+character instantly what does it matter? what does it actually affect?
That said take away the damn lvel next to someones name, no one cares.. either put light level or grimoire.. what ever, fuck it off.
Elemental primaries have always been *vastly* overrated in Destiny. Outside of Nightfall, it's just never really been an issue or a great benefit. The few enemies that you do come across with a shield can just be handled with a secondary/heavy.
Anyway, I hope hard mode has some good weapons to go for. I somehow doubt it, which means it's really not worth running more than once since your Light level doesn't really matter much anywhere else in the game.
Luke Smith gave an interview saying that Trials weapons having an element was a mistake.
Give Trials stuff god tier PvP perks.
TheCanisDirus
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I think what would be cooler (but would NEVER happen) is if they come up with some elemental damage infusion item of sorts. One for each category of weapon (primary/special/heavy) and each elemental burn (solar/arc/void) that would be a ultra rare, one time use consumable infusion that would turn a weapon of your choice (given the category matches the weapon you want to change) into one that deals elemental damage.
If those were a hard mode drop... id play the shit out of it! lol Elemental crab weapons... i cant stomach and they'd be infusion fodder just like the current ones are.
Have you tried Field choke? I feel like that barrel option made the difference for me in consistently landing head shots. It may not have the statistical stability of some of the other guns but with Field Choke it feels smooth and easy to land precision hits.
Agreed, There's little reason to play either than, It's a huge mistake if they don't have elements.
That would be a good idea, I really miss the elemental burns on primaries.
And I think the contrary.
One of two things will happen:
1) Elemental primaries are a thing of the past, except for exotics.
or 2
2) An infusion item will show up that will allow you add elemental damage to any infusible primary
If elemental legendary primaries start showing up again, then all of the end game content needs to be balanced around it. As much as I loved my fatebringer or vision, it got a little boring using only using those weapons when Nightfalls/PoE had burns, etc. I think Bungie agrees, and wants to keep homogenization to a minimum. So either no guns get burns, or all guns get burns.
1) Elemental primaries are a thing of the past, except for exotics.
or 2
2) An infusion item will show up that will allow you add elemental damage to any infusible primary
If elemental legendary primaries start showing up again, then all of the end game content needs to be balanced around it. As much as I loved my fatebringer or vision, it got a little boring using only using those weapons when Nightfalls/PoE had burns, etc. I think Bungie agrees, and wants to keep homogenization to a minimum. So either no guns get burns, or all guns get burns.
We can agree to disagree but It would really make the Hard Raid fairly useless to run if they don't have elements.
Couple of things I'd like to see added to ole Destino to shake things up a bit:
Raid Vendor
The raid vendor will store blueprints of raid weapons and gear earned across your account through all raids in Destiny. You can dismantle any of your favorite raid guns and gear and retrieve them at any time for a cost TBD. The raid vendor will also offer the following buffs that can be purchased at any time, once per week, per account:
- Buff that allows you to replay any raid and earn loot at each boss again for a character that's already completed the raid for that week
- Buff that allows for a double drop from a single boss' loot pool
- Armor buff or Weapon buff; 2 separate buffs that will increase your chances of either an armor piece or a weapon will drop from a boss' loot pool while active
I also personally wouldn't mind if the Raid Vendor also offered 1 armor piece or 1 weapon piece for sale, purchasable only by using a consumable earned in the raid (similar to Variks). Maybe at 305 light vs the cap. Gear would only be offered from the latest raid (no VoG or CE items).
I've thought about "Raid Challenges/Bounties" but this probably wouldn't be a good idea. Similar to how most PvP bounties are a bad idea in general.
Legendary Challenges
Legendary Challenges encourage players to experience the PvE game in ways they're not typically used to in Destiny's activities. Encouraging more difficult playstyles to test a player's ability to overcome scenarios they have grown accustomed to conquering with relative ease in the past.
The Bounty Tracker will offer 3 each week, each of which offers you a selection of rewards upon completion. Finishing all 3 in a given week guarantees a random exotic drop, 290-310 light. Limited to 1 completion per account.
3 of the following selected at random each week:
- Complete a weekly heroic strike without firing a special weapon
- Complete the Nightfall strike in 18 minutes or less
- Finish a daily heroic mission with at least 100 kills, 0 deaths
- Complete a level 40+ strike without using any subclass abilities to damage/kill any enemies (aka no melees while charged, no grenades, no supers)
- Complete any strike from the Director's menu, solo, while being at least 15 light below the recommended level throughout the entire activity
- Finish a level 36+ strike with a fireteam where the only damage dealt to the final boss is dealt by using supers only
- Complete the daily mission, solo, by using only your primary weapon and abilities to damage/kill enemies
- Complete a Nightfall strike with a fireteam consisting only of matching elemental weapons and subclass abilities (all guns and subclasses must be only void, solar or arc) - kinetic excluded
*Rewards: Selection of 3 "quality" drops including one of the following:
- RNG Legendary Weapon or Armor Piece
- 15 Pack of Coins
- Glimmer package worth 10k (like amethyst)
- Legendary Mark Package worth 15 marks
- Materials Package (150 weapon parts, 150 relic iron, 150 armor parts, etc)
Would use the same reward screen as this, but include the options above, selected at random:
Raid Vendor
The raid vendor will store blueprints of raid weapons and gear earned across your account through all raids in Destiny. You can dismantle any of your favorite raid guns and gear and retrieve them at any time for a cost TBD. The raid vendor will also offer the following buffs that can be purchased at any time, once per week, per account:
- Buff that allows you to replay any raid and earn loot at each boss again for a character that's already completed the raid for that week
- Buff that allows for a double drop from a single boss' loot pool
- Armor buff or Weapon buff; 2 separate buffs that will increase your chances of either an armor piece or a weapon will drop from a boss' loot pool while active
I also personally wouldn't mind if the Raid Vendor also offered 1 armor piece or 1 weapon piece for sale, purchasable only by using a consumable earned in the raid (similar to Variks). Maybe at 305 light vs the cap. Gear would only be offered from the latest raid (no VoG or CE items).
I've thought about "Raid Challenges/Bounties" but this probably wouldn't be a good idea. Similar to how most PvP bounties are a bad idea in general.
Legendary Challenges
Legendary Challenges encourage players to experience the PvE game in ways they're not typically used to in Destiny's activities. Encouraging more difficult playstyles to test a player's ability to overcome scenarios they have grown accustomed to conquering with relative ease in the past.
The Bounty Tracker will offer 3 each week, each of which offers you a selection of rewards upon completion. Finishing all 3 in a given week guarantees a random exotic drop, 290-310 light. Limited to 1 completion per account.
3 of the following selected at random each week:
- Complete a weekly heroic strike without firing a special weapon
- Complete the Nightfall strike in 18 minutes or less
- Finish a daily heroic mission with at least 100 kills, 0 deaths
- Complete a level 40+ strike without using any subclass abilities to damage/kill any enemies (aka no melees while charged, no grenades, no supers)
- Complete any strike from the Director's menu, solo, while being at least 15 light below the recommended level throughout the entire activity
- Finish a level 36+ strike with a fireteam where the only damage dealt to the final boss is dealt by using supers only
- Complete the daily mission, solo, by using only your primary weapon and abilities to damage/kill enemies
- Complete a Nightfall strike with a fireteam consisting only of matching elemental weapons and subclass abilities (all guns and subclasses must be only void, solar or arc) - kinetic excluded
*Rewards: Selection of 3 "quality" drops including one of the following:
- RNG Legendary Weapon or Armor Piece
- 15 Pack of Coins
- Glimmer package worth 10k (like amethyst)
- Legendary Mark Package worth 15 marks
- Materials Package (150 weapon parts, 150 relic iron, 150 armor parts, etc)
Would use the same reward screen as this, but include the options above, selected at random:
Unless Bungie's trolling dataminers, we know that they're just the same weapons w/ black paint and higher attack values.
What the heck do you miss elemental primaries for? There are so few shielded enemies in the game, and those that are there are almost always better handled by a special/heavy weapon.
SkylineRKR
Member
Braced Frame. I didn't try PB yet but on Hopscotch there was always some recoil at anything lower than 100.
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