Twilight Gap
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it's been shit since the beta tbh
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Destiny |OT7| "In the Garden of Suros" by I. Ron Banner
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it's been shit since the beta tbh
Jest Chillin
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It's actually a perfectly reasonable response when someone is claiming the RNG is broken. Interest waning is a personal thing that can't be argued against but claims of "broken" most definitely can be argued.
If many MMO's work with the exact same style of RNG without people complaining about it, then claims of "broken" don't make sense.
We carried a 26 through the raid for her first time and she got all three pieces in one go.
Meanwhile, we've been running on multiple characters week after week, and get nothing.
Bungie punishes people for playing their game on a regular basis. That's not how you retain playerbase.
List the MMOs with an RNG system like this, that give you absolutely no alternative to gearing to cap.
Tying levels to gear is a huge mistake. What's wrong with item level? Getting to level cap is 100% random in this game. That's stupid, and straight-up bad game design.
The game rewards pure, dumb luck. Doing well or being dedicated gets you nowhere. What is the logic behind this?
The loot system is so bad because there is essentially no reason to use anything but the first legendary armor you come across to fill in your 4 armor slots. There is no real significance in stats or variation, there is no build defining gear pieces despite what some may say about exotics. Once you find 4 legendary armor pieces you are pretty much set until the raid hands you 3 more. The loot pool in this game is too small and insignificant.
Of course, it's just my speculation why the loot system is against us so much. I was surprised they changed engrams considering how much easier it gets people to the point where there really isn't anything to do.
Edit: Also, this isn't even an effective way to keep people playing. Lucky players will get geared out quick and stop playing, unlucky players will get pissed off and quit, too.
Of course, it's just my speculation why the loot system is against us so much. I was surprised they changed engrams considering how much easier it gets people to the point where there really isn't anything to do.
Edit: Also, this isn't even an effective way to keep people playing. Lucky players will get geared out quick and stop playing, unlucky players will get pissed off and quit, too.
MagicWithEarvin
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The Librarian
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Yeah, that's not a great system.
Twilight Gap
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UPGRADE UNLOCKED!!!!
OH, YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A BATTLE? DID YOU WANT TO SEE YOUR RADAR? YOUR HEALTH? OOPS, SORRY! I JUST HAD TO TELL YOU THAT YOUR BOOTS ARE READY TO GO FASTER!!!
OH, YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A BATTLE? DID YOU WANT TO SEE YOUR RADAR? YOUR HEALTH? OOPS, SORRY! I JUST HAD TO TELL YOU THAT YOUR BOOTS ARE READY TO GO FASTER!!!
Complete garbage
Pretty much why afk in Crucible matches is just as efficient :lol
Raven Prime
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Yeah the Suros Regime is so crappy.
Which can be used to buy a whole host of useful items.
Having five duplicate Exotics is completely useless. 10 Energy? Great.
Yup. Same for AFKing through the Strike playlist (which happens to me all the time, yet another glaring issue with this game).
So, did Bungie nerf the public events? My friend and I have been using the public events to try and do them, and so far 3-4 of them have completely not shown up, including the one on the divide on earth with others besides us there....
edit: nm there it is... 10 minutes late.
edit: nm there it is... 10 minutes late.
The Mango Sentinel
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Dont know about other rifles, but the Suros regime is damn good.
Kydd BlaZe
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Anyone raiding right now? Lvl 28 sunlock over here. PSN: Kydd-BlaZe
Admiral Woofington
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nothing pissed me off more than everybody I know getting the chest I wanted from one reason or the other, and I didn't. So I moved on. Refuse to get that chest now
That doesn't exactly extol the tendencies of the types of people who play MMOs. If you consider an average player who is willing to dedicate a reasonable amount of time across all the content complain about the loot structure the solution isn't to suggest they sink in another 100 hours and hope they get the loot they are asking for. There are two groups at the extreme: those who have no issue sinking in months of play time and those who want everything immediately in a week. This is game is absolutely not appealing to the audience who has been playing hotkey WoW or WoW-clone garbage for the last 8 years, the same way it isn't appealing to the linear, scripted corridor-shooter players.
Super Stardust
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Me and a friend are at the nightfall boss, anyone want to join? Ps4
ArkkAngel007
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SUROS is a beast. Been using the Vanquisher VIII lately to put my Invective through it's paces (dat recoil
) and it's pretty good despite the small clip, but so far SUROS Regime remains my favorite.Jest Chillin
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Every MMO uses the same type of RNG. There's just typically more tiers and more items slots so you have more incremental progress.
Also, Light level is the exact same thing as Item Level, just named differently. Each bit of light that you get makes you slightly more effective, even within the same Light Level. Just like what you would see with iLevel. The different is Destiny only uses Light as a power determination while MMO's uses multiple stats.
You can also have pure dumb luck in any MMO Raid as well. WoW and some others have the ability to Master Loot so you can spread the loot among your players but other games that use personal loot (GW2, Warhammer Online, etc..) can all have the chance of a single player making out with quite a haul, while others get dupes or side grades like materials or whatever.
The "bottom half of the magazine does additional damage" perk on the Suros Regime doesn't seem as significant as I originally thought.
It has a 33-round magazine and yet it seems like only the last 80% of the clip starts to increase in damage, but it does it only gradually until the final 3-4 shots which seems to get exponentially more damaging.
I assumed that the damage increase would start at 16-17-rounds into the magazine and be consistently damaging. The last 20% doesn't seem much like "bottom half".
It has a 33-round magazine and yet it seems like only the last 80% of the clip starts to increase in damage, but it does it only gradually until the final 3-4 shots which seems to get exponentially more damaging.
I assumed that the damage increase would start at 16-17-rounds into the magazine and be consistently damaging. The last 20% doesn't seem much like "bottom half".
dmosher
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Looking two people to hit Vault of Glass Normal. I am running some real life friends through..well trying to
Message me on PSN, Bizazedo.
I'm down for it, PSN: daveyboymo (28 Titan).
I'm down. PSN Afrodeeziyak.
The Librarian
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Your PSN is amazing.
185 hours into the game. I'm completely burned out by the RNG. I put up with it for as long as I could.
I love the gameplay, but I'm growing to resent pretty much every single other aspect of the game.
redfiend00
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Need two people to help me on Nightfall, made it to boss solo but i don't want to risk it.
PSN: snake_beater
PSN: snake_beater
Super Stardust
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Sent
If they were to fix loot distribution in raids, it would probably boil down to collecting "marks" per encounter/boss kill, and maybe reputation, with some of the more cosmetic things being random, like the sparrow and ship. That Mythoclast or whatever should have been a quest chain or something. Players should be rewarded for their effort and dedication.
The Mango Sentinel
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Anyone have advice for the dinklebot section of the nightfall? I feel like I can do it with my strategy (in fact I have but now I'm trying with my alt) but I keep making one false slip and I die.
Well, my reward for leveling up to Crucible Level 4 is a random class item, which turns out to be boots for a Titan. Obviously not changing factions was a waste of time, although changing factions is a waste of time since the weapons/armor they sell is garbage.
At least today I got 10 rare fusion rifles if the game ever randomly decides to give me a pocket infinity quest, thanks for the tip.
I don't understand how can you design a game with so much RNG bullshit.
At least today I got 10 rare fusion rifles if the game ever randomly decides to give me a pocket infinity quest, thanks for the tip.
I don't understand how can you design a game with so much RNG bullshit.
Jest Chillin
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What I've found most often is that the people who have the most problem with the RNG either haven't played a game with MMO style RNG or have a misunderstanding of how the RNG works (i.e. The don't see the similarities to MMO RNG or they're expecting Isometric Loot Game style RNG). Of course there's going to be people of every type that are exceptions all along the spectrum of types of players but being that this is a Bungie Shooter first and foremost, I wouldn't assume that most of the player base are MMO veterans in the slightest.
And I've played plenty of MMO's and have no issue with the way loot is distributed in this game. I've run Raids for months in typical MMO's looking for that one drop from that one boss and never, ever, gotten it. It happens all the time to lots of people. They're just used to it.
The Librarian
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Are there any more reliable systems that have been tried? And, by reliable, I guess I mean more predictable and controllable.
When you activate the Dinklebot door hack, run straight back from where you came from, across the bridge and up in order to be out of the range of most of the firepower coming your way. If you have a sniper rifle with a long-range scope you can carefully and easily take out everything and never get hit.
On my first character doing the Nightfall, I actually bolted to the Ketch ship and sniped from there. Both are good options but I think I prefer the cliffs from where you enter the caves.
SimpleCRIPPLE
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Death from above always shoots down at the same angle. You aim with the height of your jump, not where your cursor is pointed. Once u get a feel for the angle of descent (seems a little steeper that 45 degrees), you can aim it pretty accurately. Also, make sure u have inertia moving forward. If I try to jump straight up and o it, half the time I leap straight down.
Really? Something tells me you don't play many MMOs if you think that EVERY MMO uses this kind of RNG. The only time I've ever been this frustrated by an RNG system in an MMO was with shitty KMMOs.
The problem with Light dicating level is that level in this game is HUGE. The difference from 29 to 30 is astronomical in hard mode VoG, and it's based purely off of luck.
PrivateWHudson
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So dax can talk about dresses.
Probably late on that joke since DA posted an hour ago.
Me, too. 7 days, 17 hours. I've completed the raid every week except for the first week, same for the Nightfall. I've maxed crucible and vanguard marks every week since launch. I'm level 3+ faction rep for all factions including crucible and vanguard. I have never gotten a legendary or better drop in crucible. If you don't count Xur or exotic bounties, over the course of my 8 days of play time, I have a grand total of 2 exotic items, both Thunderlords from purple engrams. That's it. My haul from the last few Nightfalls as been this: 9 strange coins, 7 ascendant energy, and warlock gloves (I'm a Titan).
This is literally the feeling I have when thinking about what the designers had in mind or when arguing against apologists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZrgxHvNNUc
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