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There is no denying it's similarity to Borderlands. Period. It cannot be argued. It is a fact.
Destiny - Review Thread
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There is no denying it's similarity to Borderlands. Period. It cannot be argued. It is a fact.
TheDarkKnight774
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The same reason I post on message boards. I like hearing different takes and critiques of stuff I experienced. It's a shame video game's barrier of entry is so high that many can't try a game and read reviews to compare/contrast with various media outlets (like say TV episode reviews or even movies to a certain degree). Instead it creates this odd middle ground where game reviews are used as a consumer report and then try to get more personal experience of the game or critical analysis. Maybe a two phase review with the second going into spoilers and deeper analysis and less mechanics/technical. But I'm sure that wouldn't be cost effective
digoutyoursoul
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Of course but reviews should not make a person unsure of themselves. I feel there should be more confidence in a persons own opinion, someone who actually pays for a copy of the game.
Head.spawn
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ArchedThunder
Banned
Destiny is a social game with no social elements. The closest thing to anything actually social is that you can run into random players from time to time, but you can't even talk to them.
Chill Penguin
Member
Pretty much. Almost one year in, next gen has been pretty disappointing. Here's hoping Bloodborne and No Man's Sky can deliver. If those flop then I give up.
I love Destiny and I loved Borderlands 2. Beyond the fact that they're both first person shooters and you collect loot in each of them, they're honestly not all that similar.
Those two things may sound like enough to make them extremely similar, but they're really not. The loot aspect of each game is handled very differently.
digoutyoursoul
Member
How is wanting more people to have confidence in their own opinion a low place to stoop ?
"This is a Review Thread on a discussion board after all"
Yes I'm aware of that. I just think those who may be irked or miffed at the negativity should not let it ruin their enjoyment.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Sorry, I literally didn't notice the "If" part. My brain lazer focused on "PSO had no social elements".
WonderCheese
Banned
Yep, very well written as well. The opening and closing are quite impressive. That's one of the best game reviews I've read in a long time.
PSO had a full blown emblem editor and keyboard chat.
Destiny has 4 gestures and actions mapped to the D-pad.
DwightSchruting
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Doesn't seem ign will be too kind either, but then again ign doesn't favor not being a shill.
ArkkAngel007
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I was just wondering what you meant by that line, since it seemed odd to bring that up for people who had already bought and are playing the game. So I wasn't sure if it was the latest 'fell for hype' thing. Turns out you are trying to be the voice of reason in the chaos.
I was being way too defensive though and completely misunderstood what I was reading, so my humblest apologies.
toastyToast
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I wonder if they'll take the criticisms to heart and try to address them through patches. Diablo 3 won back a lot of good will, it took a while but it did. The two games have the same type of content starvation, Diablo moreso. All there was to do was redo that horrible story 2 more times then bang your head against the Inferno wall (the bees!). Maybe hustle on the Auction House and make a few bucks. Other than that , that was it. Loot sucked back then too, legendaries were joke items. They redid the effects (actually gave them some), made them competitive, they drop a lot more than they used to. We've got enchanting to customize (fix) items to make them useful. A lot of stuff. It's not perfect but I feel like Blizzard addressed or at least attempted to address just about every issue that people had with the game. They're still at it too. They added legendary gems and seasons (still not very compelling yet but still).
I get the sense that Bungie doesn't want to go one-and-done it with this game. I don't think they deserve the type of leniency D3 got though. That was seriously deceptive and is seriously harmful to consumers. Bungie needs to take this L and get back to work.
I get the sense that Bungie doesn't want to go one-and-done it with this game. I don't think they deserve the type of leniency D3 got though. That was seriously deceptive and is seriously harmful to consumers. Bungie needs to take this L and get back to work.
The only reason someone would lose confidence in their own opinion after reading a review is if the review brought up criticisms of the game that person agreed with, whether they want to admit it or not. Sticking to your opinion guns isn't the most admirable thing in the world. Sometimes it's good to open yourself up to discussion on a game's positives and negative, as really understanding the arguments for and against something you're playing can help develop your tastes and make you realize what kind of games you want to play in the future.
I loved Destiny at first (and still do), but many of these reviews have pointed out flaws that I agree with. I'm not suddenly losing the opinion I held on to before, but rather adjusting the way I feel when I consider some details about the game that I agree with. This will help me make decisions regarding the game: How much time do I really want to invest in to it? Do I really want to plunk money down on the expansions yet? What should I look for when trying to decide to buy the game's sequel?
Even if reviews might harsh my opinion on a game, it's all in service of me actually knowing more about what I'm playing and being open to different arguments for or against it. On the flipside, I've given games I initially disliked second tries before of glimmering reviews, and found myself pleasantly surprised.
Interficium
Banned
"Hey guys, sorry we all gave Titanfall 9s, heres a bunch of 6s for Destiny to satisfy your bloodlust."
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
An different implementation of a shared gameplay mechanic does not differentiate them against their stacked similarities.
Both mostly tell story through audio dialogue and few cutscenes
Co-op focused shooters with RPG elements
Different classes with different subclasses
Focus on loot
Borrowed elements and mechanics from MMORPGs
MightyHedgehog
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Better than that, PSO had a lot of already translated phrases that fit most of the important things you'd want to communicate to other players available to use. Shit was well ahead of the curve in 2000.
Me neither. I preferred borderlands.
digoutyoursoul
Member
No problem mate, reading my original post back I should of worded it better.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Exactly.
I think it is incorrect to call Destiny a social game, even if Bungie says it is.
Lol.
But yeah, the only way for Destiny to be anything like PSO is if you cut all of the social elements out of PSO.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Yes, that's exactly what this is. The reviewers are overcompensating for scores given to a game that came out in March, frequently by entirely different people.
/s, if you really need it.
swazzyswess
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That review is like poetry. I hardly ever read Gamespot reviews, maybe due to a misconception I've had about them, but I should start checking out his reviews at least. I love game reviews written by fantastic writers, regardless of the games they're reviewing or the scores they give.
Poodlestrike
Banned
What really confuses me about this is: why only 4 emotes? You're unlikely to be using them in intense situations, so why not have a wheel or something linked to one of the buttons on the d-pad?
MikeOfTheLivingDead
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I'm really not sure what you are saying. Positive or negative, there seems to be no lack of confidence in opinion from individual players to reviewers. You seem to be saying people shouldn't be negative in their opinions because it somehow might make someone rethink their own positive opinion?
I read reviews all the time for games, movies, TV shows, whatever after I play or watch them. Whether I really like or loathe them, I'm curious what other people think or get out of them. In the case of Destiny, this game is an incredibly huge deal. It's the type of game that can break even a long running well regarded studio like Bungie. I imagine anyone remotely interested in the industry beyond just playing games has more than a passing interest in critical reaction even if they are playing and thoroughly enjoying destiny.
Chill Penguin
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VanOrd is usually on point. Gamespot seems to be back to their reputable selves after a couple years of turmoil post that Gerstmann kerfuffle.
Ha, conspiracy guy is here to bring perspective
ArkkAngel007
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GameSpot has been pretty trigger happy with the low scores the past 2 years or so. I think the running joke at IGN has been something about everything being 7.8 or something like that.
I don't know what has happened, but reviews on average seem to be improving. Not because of lower scores, but that the scores match the writing in them and that individual flaws are more apt to be mentioned but not, again generally, rule the impressions. I guess I could say they are more noticeably giving games a fair shake and better presenting their views behind the scores.
There are exceptions out there though.
For the record I loved Titanfall.
Why are people so sensitive about this game being compared to borderlands? It's more like boderlands than it is PSO. The mechanics are very very similar. They're both loot based shooter rpgs with large worlds.
I'm really curious as to what people have against this game being compared to the most obviously similar game to it.
rokkerkory
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Goid vid review too good job GS
Shiera Seastar
Banned
That's a real shame. I didn't follow RE6's release but wasn't that game universally disliked by players and critics alike?
I don't see how seeking other (professional) perspectives on something isn't a good idea. It may help you better understand why you like or don't like certain parts of a game. "Own opinions" are never ever formed completely out of your own and aren't impenetrable by other people's opinions and thoughts. And they shouldn't, really. And so what if you're "influenced"? At least it made you (re)think and question yourself.
Sapphire Dreams
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The Gamespot review just sums up what I feel about the game.
Solid foundations that they do nothing creative with. The story is nothing to write home about, the multiplayer is above average at best because while it's well done it does have the "I've been there done that" vibe and most importantly the reusing of most of the maps multiple times got old rather fast. There is nothing else to keep me hooked to the game because the end game content is lacking so far. I hate to admit it, but I had more fun with Titanfall than Destiny.
Solid foundations that they do nothing creative with. The story is nothing to write home about, the multiplayer is above average at best because while it's well done it does have the "I've been there done that" vibe and most importantly the reusing of most of the maps multiple times got old rather fast. There is nothing else to keep me hooked to the game because the end game content is lacking so far. I hate to admit it, but I had more fun with Titanfall than Destiny.
Chill Penguin
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I like that though. Gamespot was a notoriously tough reviewer in the early 2000s with Kasavin, Gerstmann, Shoemaker, and crew. They were the best reviews you could read, and it seems they have been going back to being a tough, critical, review site these days, which is more than a welcome sight.
Eddie Griffin
Banned
Really? You didn't have concerns about those last minute announcements? Few planets, one zone, no raids at launch, etc. Not too mention holding reviews.
digoutyoursoul
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"You seem to be saying people shouldn't be negative in their opinions because it somehow might make someone rethink their own positive opinion?"
All I am saying is, a reviewers opinion on a game either positive or negative shouldn't be taken as gospel or too much to heart. As I said earlier I should of worded my original point better.
foxuzamaki
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Interficium
Banned
I just think it's a little fucked up that Gies, et. all handwaved Titanfall's "lack of content" and "lack of single-player story" and doled out the 9s anyways, but when the next big shooter comes around they go nuclear over "lack of content" and "atrocious story" That seems like a pretty fucked-up critical model to me.
I guess they all had a come to jesus moment over the summer.
I'd compare it to a shallow ill conceived version of Diablo 3.
Toothless Spoon
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I laugh at some of these reviews - like a 6 from polygon is ridiculous. If that is the new standard they are setting for this game, then I hope they stay consistent for future releases. Which they wont, because all this hate is purely click bait to get people to read their articles.
I'm no fanboy, but Destiny is a solid title. There ARE some legit concerns raised in certain reviews, but you can obviously tell that these worries are spawned by the individual hype they allowed themselves to get wrapped up in.
The game is a solid shooter, with good single and multi-player components. It has a fair bit of depth, with loot, levelling and character progression and is easily between 8 to 9 out of 10. BUT, like all reviews that is my opinion and it should be taken with a grain of salt.
I'm no fanboy, but Destiny is a solid title. There ARE some legit concerns raised in certain reviews, but you can obviously tell that these worries are spawned by the individual hype they allowed themselves to get wrapped up in.
The game is a solid shooter, with good single and multi-player components. It has a fair bit of depth, with loot, levelling and character progression and is easily between 8 to 9 out of 10. BUT, like all reviews that is my opinion and it should be taken with a grain of salt.
digoutyoursoul
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To be entertained ?
I guess I would never react to a review as 'Nuclear' but I get what you're saying
I agree with your review
You can have a substantive debate about the differences between Lol and Dota though.
And comparing PSO to Destiny is like saying the Last of Us is like Mass Effect. Well, at least they're both third person shooters?
ArchedThunder
Banned
I enjoyed the game, but honestly I think the game has far to much wrong with it to get a 9. I think 6-7 is a good score range for it.
ArkkAngel007
Member
I'm good for the reviews from back then, which was my go-to site until they sort of fell apart for a bit.
Just the one review I read in holiday 2012 that scored low in the middle of that surge was, to me, an objectively awful review. Person playing themselves into a corner, refusing to use other game mechanics, repeatedly doing the same thing whether it worked or not because they were too worried of doing something wrong, and kind of misrepresenting what he was playing in general.
But now Kevin VanOrd I can get behind with how he writes and approaches, and is allowing me to start taking more interest with who else may be worth looking in on with the GameSpot staff. Score be damned.
Im at a 7, hard for me to go lower or higher
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