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DETROIT vs. SAN ANTONIO - NBA Finals!

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Cubsfan23

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Loki said:
So they're 2-1 favorites? Indulge me here... :p


I'mnot used to seeing it expressed as "1-2 favorites", is all, though I understand about the money.

I said "favorites" in my first post :)


If you put 20 bucks on the spurs and they win, you only win 10 dollars. In other words, Vegas and the public agree that the Spurs will easily win, and Vegas doesn't want to get raped when the almost-inevitable happens.
 

Loki

Count of Concision
Cubsfan23 said:
I said "favorites" in my first post :)


If you put 20 bucks on the spurs and they win, you only win 10 dollars. In other words, Vegas and the public agree that the Spurs will easily win, and Vegas doesn't want to get raped when the almost-inevitable happens.

Yes, and Vegas thinks that the Spurs are TWICE as likely as the Pistons to win the title, correct? This is what I'm asking. :p


Doesn't matter, though-- that seems to be what you're saying.
 

Cubsfan23

Banned
Loki said:
Yes, and Vegas thinks that the Spurs are TWICE as likely as the Pistons to win the title, correct? This is what I'm asking. :p


Doesn't matter, though-- that seems to be what you're saying.

Pistons had 4-1 odds last time i checked
 

Loki

Count of Concision
Cubsfan23 said:
Pistons had 4-1 odds last time i checked

So the "odds" can be different than the "money line"-- or whatever it is that you were quoting before?


In other words, it would seem that saying the Spurs are "1-2 favorites" (as you did originally) implies that the odds of the Pistons winning would be set at 2-1 (against them). But here you say it's 4-1 against them. Weird. :p
 

SKluck

Banned
4-1 means Bet 1 dollar, get 4 dollars if you win. Yeah?

I only started paying attention to odds when I got it on my PDA through Avantgo. I still don't understand the over/under shit.
 

Cubsfan23

Banned
Loki said:
So the "odds" can be different than the "money line"-- or whatever it is that you were quoting before?


In other words, it would seem that saying the Spurs are "1-2 favorites" (as you did originally) implies that the odds of the Pistons winning would be set at 2-1 (against them). But here you say it's 4-1 against them. Weird. :p

It's all determined by the money. You can be damn sure the Nets didn't have 2-1 odds in 2002 ;) (probably 15-1 or 20-1)

4-1 means Bet 1 dollar, get 4 dollars if you win. Yeah?

yep

I still don't understand the over/under shit.

just means the total number of points by both teams. Tonight's game was set at 176. It ended up being 170 points, so if you bet the Under, you won.
 

Loki

Count of Concision
<pulls hair out>

:p


Just answer me this one question:


The "money odds" (i.e., the odds that determine how much on the dollar you'll get back if you place a bet and win) can be DIFFERENT from the ACTUAL odds (i.e., who is favored to win the title, and to what degree-- e.g., 2-1 faves, 3-1 faves etc.)?


You said that the Spurs are 1-2 favorites, meaning that you get back 50 cents on every dollar you bet on them if you win. I understand this. You then said that the Pistons' odds are 4-1 (against them, I presumed- that is, they are 4-1 underdogs), rather than 2-1 as would seem to follow from the 50-cent-on-the-dollar part of the equation. Am I missing something here?
 
SKluck said:
Detroit in 6.

They WILL steal at least one in SA of the first 2 games.

SA's awful road play will be critical in this series. Detroit can do it in 5 again if they play solid, and I expect them to. But SA is too good for 5 I think.

That average road record was from the regular season. In the playoffs, the Spurs won in Denver twice, in Seattle once and in Phoenix three times. And they still are the best home team.
 

SKluck

Banned
BatiGOOOOOOL said:
That average road record was from the regular season. In the playoffs, the Spurs won in Denver twice, in Seattle once and in Phoenix three times. And they still are the best home team.

I'd argue they played in relatively soft arenas. They won 1 road game in Seattle, but they are a good clinching team like Detroit. Phoenix is a push over for the Spurs so road/home didn't really come into play for the Spurs IMO.
 
First Finals pre-emptive strike!!!

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As a Spurs fan, what worries me is if Detroit is able to neutralize SA's outside shooting. If that happens then the spurs are in trouble. It means Duncan has to have 30-40 pts for the spurs to win. If the Spurs can hit from the outside, they will win, fairly easily. If not, then the spurs are in trouble.

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Cubsfan23

Banned
Loki said:
<pulls hair out>

:p


Just answer me this one question:


The "money odds" (i.e., the odds that determine how much on the dollar you'll get back if you place a bet and win) can be DIFFERENT from the ACTUAL odds (i.e., who is favored to win the title, and to what degree-- e.g., 2-1 faves, 3-1 faves etc.)?


You said that the Spurs are 1-2 favorites, meaning that you get back 50 cents on every dollar you bet on them if you win. I understand this. You then said that the Pistons' odds are 4-1 (against them, I presumed- that is, they are 4-1 underdogs), rather than 2-1 as would seem to follow from the 50-cent-on-the-dollar part of the equation. Am I missing something here?

*takes deep breath* :D

if the favorite is 1-2, that doesnt make the underdog automatically at 2-1. Like I said, Would you have bet on the Nets with only a 2-1 payoff? Not worth the risk.

The ACTUAL odds are determined by the "money odds", if i read that correctly ;)
 
Erm, Pistons in 6. Prince is going to lock down Flop Ginobili and the Wallace brothers are going to terrorize Duncan.

These btw, are all facts.

Although I am a bit surprised Miami didn't prevail and allow the Spurs to complete the trifecta against teams who are missing their star players. Oh well, the Scrubs will have to battle a healthy team this round, and I doubt they're up to the task.
 
Incognito said:
Erm, Pistons in 6. Prince is going to lock down Flop Ginobili and the Wallace brothers are going to terrorize Duncan.

These btw, are all facts.

Although I am a bit surprised Miami didn't prevail and allow the Spurs to complete the trifecta against teams who are missing their star players. Oh well, the Scrubs will have to battle a healthy team this round, and I doubt they're up to the task.

Why do you HATE the Spurs so much?? I can understand not digging their style, or maybe the fact that they have no real star quality, or maybe being unimpressed by the city (although I doubt that considering you live here), or maybe cheering against them for playing/beating your team. All that would warrant some typical trash talk/sarcasm that you have among rivals or teams you just aren't jocking. But you seem to harbor genuine ill will and malice toward the Spurs that boggles me. It seems to be outside the bounds of rationality, especially considering the Spurs are such a classy organization and don't have many players that you can outright hate (Bowen is close for some teams, people are trying to give Gino a rep, Duncan bores some but they don't hate him etc).

So what is it LS? Did David Robinson take a dump on your lawn? Peter Holt have one too many and put his Cadillac through your living room? Maybe the Iceman ran through your moms on a roadtrip back in the 70's?? Why the malicious hatred? I mean I know Kobe came and made out with you that year in the playoffs or whatever, but I don't see you liking him or the Lakers driving you to these extremes, particularly when Kobe isn't even in the playoffs this year, much less facing the Spurs. Dislike or apathy I can understand with the Spurs, but your vitriole and spite is puzzling, particularly when it pushes you into emotional, assanine predictions against them (ie all playoffs). What say you?
 
I'm actually a season ticket holder and I don't even bother going. That's how much I despise them.

I dislike them for two reasons:

1.) They always fucking win

2.) They always fucking win the classy style. So damn methodical.

Plus, the fact that everyone in this city goes GA GA over them makes me want to hurl.
 

scorcho

testicles on a cold fall morning
to all detroit haters - the same crap was said last year versus the Lakers, and look how that series turned out [insert kobe joke now].

this series is very evenly matched, and it's going to be nowhere near a lopside. go detroit.
 
Incognito said:
I'm actually a season ticket holder and I don't even bother going. That's how much I despise them.

I dislike them for two reasons:

1.) They always fucking win

2.) They always fucking win the classy style. So damn methodical.

Plus, the fact that everyone in this city goes GA GA over them makes me want to hurl.

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AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
I picked Spurs over Pistons in 5 before the playoffs and now it looks like a really good possibility. Too bad I am more excited about the GA Pick 'N Roll pool than the actual Finals, but hey, it's excitingly close!
 
Do your season ticks include playoffs LS?? LS PLEASE I WILL BUY THEM OFF YOU FOR TOP DOLLAR!!! Games 1&2 sold out in like 2 1/2 minutes online..

As for "they always win"..um, we've won TWO titles. Two. Thats not a whole lot for a team thats been around as long as we have (although as many or more than most). I mean we've been a "winning" team for quite sometime, in fact outside of the token season when D-Rob got hurt and we subsequently drafted Duncan, we'd probably be amongst the winningest organizations in the last 25 years in terms of regular season success. But its not as though we're the Bulls of the 90's or those Magic-led Lakers teams that went to NINE NBA Finals. We've been to a handful of Western conference finals, and now 3 finals, with 2 chips so far (hoping for a third). How does that equate to "they always fucking win"?? I don't get it.

To the "classy, methodical style"..well I fucking LOOOVE that. I love that we don't have primadonnas who preen and smirk or clowns and attention whores who act out in pressers. We take the fucking lunch pale, win basketball games, and act like we've been there before. Thats what the fuck I want out of a sports organization. Now star quality doesn't hurt, especially when they're a star with class and humility like a Tom Brady or a Magic Johnson or a Mario Lemieux. But when it comes at the cost of the teams/cities dignity or at the expense of chemistry or in any way involves placing some individual player above the team, then I think star quality is completely overrated and appeals only to the casual fan who would rather get lost in dramatic storylines than witness good sport. Besides the great ones always get their due anyway, whether or not they make for interesting press or pretty pictures. Duncan being a prime example of a star who has remained team-centric, often to the detriment of his own numbers/accolades, and has persevered and earned respect for it.

I do in fact take issue with the oft-torpid GO SPURS GO zombies that emerge in this town come playoff time and always seem to think we're playing "Teh Lakerz". I admire their passionate support but wish they had a little more of that actual basketball knowledge to accompany it, much like you find among Boston or Chicago sports fans who are usually far more die-hard. But thats a rare thing I guess, so it might be a little much to ask. Still, fans are gonna go nuts when you succeed and its unfair to expect everyone to be an expert, but I can understand you being a bit perturbed with the playoff fever every year.

But back to those tickets..:D
 

Cubsfan23

Banned
scorcho said:
to all detroit haters - the same crap was said last year versus the Lakers, and look how that series turned out [insert kobe joke now].

this series is very evenly matched, and it's going to be nowhere near a lopside. go detroit.

I picked the pistons last year http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=22&page=1&highlight=Playoffs

Kind of funny though that if Detroit loses, they'll join the Spurs as the only teams in the last 15 years to not repeat the following year.
 
Haha, I fully agree with you on the knowledge of basketball =/ Spurs fan part. Although a few Spurs fans friends of mine had the gall to say I wasn't a basketball follower because I had mispronounced "Radmanvoic".

It seems no one pays attention to the Spurs until the playoffs start, and then everyone down here busts out the car flags, yard signs, and stupid ass t-shirts(OBI WAN GINOBILI). Give me a break, assholes. You couldn't tell me what a 3-second violation entails to, so I know for a fact you're nothing but a bandwagon fan looking for the latest party because when the Spurs enter they playoffs, it's party time for 6 weeks.

As for the tickets, my Dad has them now. He either uses them, pawns them off to my brother, or gives them to some useless, ungrateful client.
 

Fifty

Member
Are they your tickets or your parents'? Hard to imagine they'd go unused during the playoffs....have you at least been selling them?

Edit: Wonderful, my question was answered. Damn posting
 
Incognito said:
It seems no one pays attention to the Spurs until the playoffs start, and then everyone down here busts out the car flags, yard signs, and stupid ass t-shirts(OBI WAN GINOBILI). Give me a break, assholes.

You asked for it...

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*bows before his master*
 
Well..umm..how do I become a client? Should I give pops my celly and tell him to have his people get with my people? Gotdamn I want to go to a Finals game!!

Oh and LS, tell me you know ANYTHING AT ALL about that gorgeous girl from the Worldcar Kia (??) commercials. Have you seen her? She's STUNNING. HUMONGOUS rack, flawless face (fuck Alba), mezmerizing eyes, nice figure. Everytime I see those commercials I want to go caged gorilla til my crank falls off. I need to find out some more about her..how to meet her..touch her breasts...errm y'know.

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"Hey hehwhy hazen't David Robeenson been playhing deez playoffzz? Day are stoopid for not playin heem more! Boo Lakerzz!! GOWE SPURZZSS GOWE!!!"
 

Fifty

Member
"I heard there was free crack!"

Someone should make a t-shirt with Manu falling down, with the words "Floppy Drive"
 
Ned Flanders said:
Oh and LS, tell me you know ANYTHING AT ALL about that gorgeous girl from the Worldcar Kia (??) commercials. Have you seen her? She's STUNNING. HUMONGOUS rack, flawless face (fuck Alba), mezmerizing eyes, nice figure. Everytime I see those commercials I want to go caged gorilla til my crank falls off. I need to find out some more about her..how to meet her..touch her breasts...errm y'know.

LOL!! Even my grandfather is mesmerized by those commercials, and it seems they're on repeat throughout the year. She is fucking SMOKING. "Stevie, you know why she's in these damn commercials? Look at her boobs. Fucking huge." Cue grandmother chiming in a la Raymond's mother, "Oh shut up. Don't talk dirty."

:lol :lol

As for tickets, I'd say buy a lot of houses. :-/
 
Anyone remember that scene from American Werewolf in London where dude transforms in that girls apartment?


Tayshaun's feet reminded me..

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Shinobi

Member
bionic77 said:
I challenge any and all Jordophiles to crawl out from under their rocks and put their money where their ugly Jordan XXIV's are!

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SKluck said:
I'd argue they played in relatively soft arenas.

WTS...Denver and Phoenix were tied for the fifth best home record in the league. :lol Hell, I don't think Denver had lost a game at home since the all star break. Plus there's that whole thin air aspect.

http://www.nba.com/standings/team_record_comparison/conferenceNew_Std_Div.html






Incognito said:
It seems no one pays attention to the Spurs until the playoffs start, and then everyone down here busts out the car flags, yard signs, and stupid ass t-shirts(OBI WAN GINOBILI). Give me a break, assholes. You couldn't tell me what a 3-second violation entails to, so I know for a fact you're nothing but a bandwagon fan looking for the latest party because when the Spurs enter they playoffs, it's party time for 6 weeks.

:lol That happens in every town...though I'm convinced Toronto has the biggest bandwagon hoppers in North America. The amount of frontrunning that took place during the Jays run in the early 90's was sickening in retrospect. And don't get me started on Leafs fans...damn fools honking horns and waving flags up and down Yonge Street because they won the opening round. :lol

I honestly don't see what's so exciting about the Heat. It's the same with the Lakers the last few years...you take the talented swingman out (Wade/Kobe), and it's a pedistran team that rarely fast breaks, hits outside shots, and sees a 300 pound center dunk the ball ten times a game. How that's more exciting then watching the Spurs is beyond me. The Spurs can play any style in the league, have one of the most dynamic backcourts in the league in Ginobili and Parker, and frankly beat the Suns at their own run n' gun style of game in the last series. And the team has players on the bench that could drop 20 at anytime Yet they're still regarded as boring...doesn't make any sense to me. I guess people are far more interested in the personalities (Shaq has far more personality then Duncan) and the sizzle (Hollywood stars in LA, the beach and the night life in Miami) then the game itself, which is fine I suppose.

I had the Spurs over the Pistons in 6 going into the season, and didn't see much over the course of the year to change that opinion. Of course I had the same result picked last year as well, so it isn't like I'm a total genius. The key for the Spurs is going to be their outside shooting...if it drops off the way it did against the Lakers last year, I think they're gonna lose. Cause there's no way Detroit is gonna let TP just dance into the lane whenever he wants like he did against the Suns, and he's at his best when he does that. And generally as TP goes, so go the Spurs, even more then TD. Duncan could average ten points a game and the team can still win cause he'll always attract a double or triple team, and is terrific at passing out of those (plus he'll always get his boards, blocks and shot contests). So it's gonna be up to Gino, TP, Bowen, Horry and Barry to come through. Also, Nazr will need to play his best ball of the year against that strong Detroit frontcourt, or Duncan might be in for a rough time.

I believe the Spurs will drop one of the first two games...probably the first one. Pistons will come into that game still riding their high from Monday night, while the Spurs haven't had this much time off since the summer. It'll take 'em a while to get back into rhythm. That said Detroit very rarely outscores anybody, so as long as their defense can keep things close they could still take game 1.

BTW, the simple science being odds setting is this: the house sets it up so that the money is bet more or less evenly on both teams, so they're guaranteed to keep 50% of the money. Knowing that the vast majority of people will bet on the Spurs (or so it would seem), they've given odds so low it's barely worth betting on. The odds themselves really don't mean anything...it's all about getting action on both teams.
 

Loki

Count of Concision
Incognito said:
I'm actually a season ticket holder and I don't even bother going. That's how much I despise them.

I dislike them for two reasons:

1.) They always fucking win

2.) They always fucking win the classy style. So damn methodical.

Plus, the fact that everyone in this city goes GA GA over them makes me want to hurl.

:lol

That's some of the funniest stuff ever.


I hate them-- they always win! And they have the nerve to be classy while doing it, too! YEAH!
 

Regniws

Member
The Series i've been waiting for since last season. At the beginning I said Spurs vs Pistons final, and Pistons winning in 6. Prince is going to be the X-Factor here, if he plays like his ability allows him the Pistons win. Horry or Barry can't even be close to matching him up defensively. And duncan is not going to be double teamed. Sheed' has had TD number throughout their entire careers and its not going to change now... and Big Ben as help can't be beat. Hunter will make Manu work for his points, when Hunter comes off the bench. This is going to be the most competive final we have had in Years, and I can't wait for it. Suns and Heat are just wanna be's, we have to leave the finals to the people who know how to play basketball... Detroit and San Antonio, the two hardest working teams in Basketball.
 

Musashi Wins!

FLAWLESS VICTOLY!
I'm excited beyond being a Pistons fan because the Spurs are a team I really respect. This is going to be a great series for me. As far as I'm concerned, the two best teams are there this year and you could see it a while back.
 

WedgeX

Banned
I'll go for...Pistons in 6.

And thank god it's on ABC, not having cable wasn't good for the conference finals.
 

jobber

Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
YOU already know
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Hey Bat I called this in November. Spurs would go 81-1!

Oh...let me go on record... SPURS SWEEP
 

jobber

Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
DMczaf said:
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Damn, Prince looks paranoid :lol

No one is going to take your Eastern Conference trophy!


What the fuck is wrong with his feet? o_O Looks like fins
 

bionic77

Member
Regniws said:
The Series i've been waiting for since last season. At the beginning I said Spurs vs Pistons final, and Pistons winning in 6. Prince is going to be the X-Factor here, if he plays like his ability allows him the Pistons win. Horry or Barry can't even be close to matching him up defensively. And duncan is not going to be double teamed. Sheed' has had TD number throughout their entire careers and its not going to change now... and Big Ben as help can't be beat. Hunter will make Manu work for his points, when Hunter comes off the bench. This is going to be the most competive final we have had in Years, and I can't wait for it. Suns and Heat are just wanna be's, we have to leave the finals to the people who know how to play basketball... Detroit and San Antonio, the two hardest working teams in Basketball.

What are you talking about?

Duncan has always had the better of that matchup. Rasheed could never guard Duncan, hell even KG can't guard Duncan and the gap has only widened over time. Rasheed's only chance is to make him work on the defensive end. I don't see him doing shit in the post against Duncan. His only hope is to make a high percentage of 3's to draw Duncan away from the basket.

It is amazing that Ducnan is the best player in the NBA and no one seems to know it. Has that ever happened before?

The last time I remember this happening is when Jordan ROBBED Cedric Ceballos. ;)
 
Jackpot LS!! Her name is Vanessa Macias.

To basketball fans across the country, this is what San Antonians are treated to on commercial breaks during Spurs games.


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THERMONUCLEAR FAP!!
 

DJ_Tet

Banned
And the thread was saved at the last second by Flanders!


Go Spurs. I hated the Bad Boys as a kid, but I respect them now, and I pulled for Detroit last year. I don't really care for Ginobili, but I love Timmay. Should be a fun series for anyone who really enjoys the game of basketball.
 

sol5377

Member
Ned Flanders said:
Jackpot LS!! Her name is Vanessa Macias.

To basketball fans across the country, this is what San Antonians are treated to on commercial breaks during Spurs games.


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THERMONUCLEAR FAP!!

mmmm... reminds me of someone I know real well... :D
 

Shinobi

Member
Ned Flanders said:
Jackpot LS!! Her name is Vanessa Macias.

To basketball fans across the country, this is what San Antonians are treated to on commercial breaks during Spurs games.


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THERMONUCLEAR FAP!!

Goddamn...

It's true about the respect thing...I've got a ton of respect for the Pistons (though I still think firing Carlisle was a bitch move, even though it worked :lol), and as a Spurs fan understands fully how ridiculous it is that this team continues to get no respect for their accomplishments. If the Pistons win out (and that can certainly happen), I probably wouldn't be too upset about it.
 
I also have a lot of respect for the Pistons, which is why I'm really happy to see both teams in the Finals. Plus I know what a great team they are, so I can't really give out a prediction, eventhough I obviously want my Spurs to win.

As for Rasheed on TD, he is actually the best defender I've seen on Timmy since he entered the league. But on ocassions Tim goes off, even with Rasheed guarding him. Not so sure about this season, because I vaguely remember the matchup during the 1st game in SA and in Detroit Tim played a couple of minutes before leaving with an ankle injury.

Yummy@ the huge titties BTW :D



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Guzim

Member
DMczaf said:
Now after said rematch, does the loser get a 2nd rematch on a court thats completely surrounded by a steel cage?
Yes. And in the same night, a retirement match between Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson!
 
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