For fuck's sake, if I wanted to do single-button QTEs to slay massive numbers of enemies, I'd play any franchise other than Deus Ex. Why can't I manually fire all these explosive shells or whatever? You know, put some skill into it? The more they talk about this game, the more clear it's Not For Me.
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Deus Ex Human Revolution E3 demo impressions
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It's a demo. They're going to go for "whiz-bang" factor more than just "here's how I'd actually play." Clearly they've placed stuff and given the guy high-level abilities just to show them off. Watching someone play slow, thoughtful stealth gameplay doesn't make for a great demo, but it doesn't mean that gameplay is off the table.
jim-jam bongs said:
My google-fu is weak. Got a link for this?
The OMM article about the crates is here: http://www.oldmanmurray.com/features/39.html
LegatoB said:
Advanced takedowns like that are more than likely from increasing points in stealth-related skills/augs or something.
I mean, it's an E3 demo. They need to show some of the more interesting abilities you can reach as you progress. Especially if they're going to show off some of the stealth gameplay, lest it be lost in the sea of a now crowded (and fairly varied) genre.
jim-jam bongs
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Timekiller
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WrikaWrek said:
What do you mean by larger then life?
Pinko Marx
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You know what? I like one button takedowns. Its not a win button if you gotta put in the work to use stealth and sneak up to them without getting noticed. Its a reward for playing skillfully.
Fuck da haterz.
Fuck da haterz.
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VaLiancY said:
Thanks! I love the music from that trailer. Deus Ex was (and is) one of my favourite games of all times, the story, the setting, the freedom of action, the characters, the inventary and rpg mechanics.. I remember when I played the demo I was fairly impressed, and the demo was just the tip of iceberg.
I don't know how Deux Ex Human Revolution will result, unfortunately a few details we know show that the game follows the System Shock -> Bioshock thread in terms of plainer gameplay aspects
. Anyway, the CG trailer shows a really good atmosphere, and IMO if the game has that atmosphere and setting, gameplay not too lame ;p, and a decent story, we could have some sort of bastard sequel to Deus Ex :lolRelentlessRolento
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Prob the only huge budget title I can easily get excited about. Anyone know who's doing the soundtrack?
I have a friend at E3 this week and the only thing he texted to me about the show was how fucking awesome Deus Ex was. I can't wait for this. I'm not expecting an experience as great as the first one was for me, but hopefully it can capture that feel of infiltrating a lab/warehouse/shipping boat/airport/skyscrapper/etc, and feeling like your choice of success was unique and smart.
Draft said:
yes, this is the mechanic that made Deus Ex exactly what it is! Not variety, not freedom of choice but crawling in a dark/brightly lit place behind some moronic deaf guard and prodding him with a cattle prod like 2-3 times until he finally passes out.
ColonelColon
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Draft said:
Seriously... sometimes I think Deus Ex is one of the most overrated games ever. Much of the game is amazing. I love how the environments are so open-ended, and how there's a tiny bit of choice in the story. But, the gameplay could be absolutely terrible at times. Swimming is an utterly useless skill, stealth is annoying because tranquilizers alert enemies to your location and take far too long to render them unconscious and the prod also takes too damn long, ammo can be too scarce for certain weapons like the sniper rifle, literally every single voice actor gives an embarrassingly bad performance, and I could probably list dozens of other issues if I felt so inclined. Anyway, I'm glad that these guys are fixing some of the problems the first game had. It sounds like stealth might actually not be awful this time.
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ColonelColon said:
LabouredSubterfuge
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evangd007 said:
As I'm currently replaying Deus Ex, this can't be repeated enough. Not to mention various weapons not KOing when used point blank at someone's head. Deus Ex is far from perfect.
The thing with the multiple take downs is that if they are deep down a stealth "tree", then they are AWESOME. That is exactly what I'm looking for in Deus Ex. If I decide I'm spending all my money/XP on being the top sneaking man, then I want top sneaking rewards. I want to feel very powerful as long as I'm attacking unaware guards.
If they are something available to anyone, then that's pretty lame.
I'm just so amped for a good Deus Ex game, I'm willing to give them benefit of the doubt. Probably to my eventual detriment.
If they are something available to anyone, then that's pretty lame.
I'm just so amped for a good Deus Ex game, I'm willing to give them benefit of the doubt. Probably to my eventual detriment.
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jim-jam bongs said:
I haven't completed the game yet (in Paris), but it seems like certain characters will die regardless of when you choose to kill them. Although, I have read that there are multiple endings, and I'm admittedly unsure of how that might change my perspective.
It has to take the Diablo II style. If I invest heavily into one tree...I wanna be so damn overpowered in that tree, lightning bolts just fly out of my ass as I walk. I don't care if I suck at fire or ice. I want to rule in one.Draft said:
None of this, well I'm still pretty balanced regardless of the way I take. I just get to use a few more spells. Fuck no!
My comment wasn't from the perspective of Deus Ex 1 being an infallible holy grail, but rather an indictment of current "AAA" game design and the people who lap it up. Give me the tools to take out four enemies through skillful play instead of pressing a single button and watching a cutscene.
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subversus said:
There were definitely a couple instances when it would have been difficult to proceed without upgraded swimming, particularly the collapsed tunnel in Hong Kong, but the areas generally weren't very important, and I think you could usually get by with rebreathers.
Never happened to me. You should've stayed in shadows
Maybe I'll try tranquilizers again. I feel like I could recall tranqs giving away my position though. And yeah, I basically mean to say that instant takedowns are an improvement rather than a detriment to the already established stealth gameplay. Stealth might be serviceable in the original Deus Ex if you really want to go that route, but I don't think it's very fun. Just my opinion though.
Swimming in Deus Ex is interesting. Let's talk about swimming.
As far as things that define Deus Ex as a hardcore PC game, swimming is second to none. It's a skill that can eat up your precious XP. If you decide to specialize in swimming, that's some other skill, maybe explosives or lock picking, that you will have to give up. And what do you get in return? The ability to access maybe a dozen or so areas through out the course of the game that are locked off to PCs that can't swim.
That's it.
There's no extension of the combat. No cool strategies only available to swimmer characters. You could argue it enhances a stealth play through, but not nearly as much as something like lock picking or hacking. It is the very definition of a focused (read: limited) ability.
Now, I'm down with that. I like having choices in building my character. If I should decide that my JC is the Michael Phelps of the future, then Goddamn it, that's the way I get to play. But at the same time, I can understand a designer looking at that and thinking, "jeez, aren't there more interesting things we could do with the game than swimming?"
Like, either you greatly expand the abilities usefulness, which means drastic redesigns on most of the levels and probably also game mechanics, or just get rid of it entirely. Roll the advantages of swimming, like access to extra items or advantageous routes through the levels, into some other skill.
To me, that's not dumbing down. That's prioritizing resources. I think that makes sense. I think that probably ends up producing a tighter game.
As far as things that define Deus Ex as a hardcore PC game, swimming is second to none. It's a skill that can eat up your precious XP. If you decide to specialize in swimming, that's some other skill, maybe explosives or lock picking, that you will have to give up. And what do you get in return? The ability to access maybe a dozen or so areas through out the course of the game that are locked off to PCs that can't swim.
That's it.
There's no extension of the combat. No cool strategies only available to swimmer characters. You could argue it enhances a stealth play through, but not nearly as much as something like lock picking or hacking. It is the very definition of a focused (read: limited) ability.
Now, I'm down with that. I like having choices in building my character. If I should decide that my JC is the Michael Phelps of the future, then Goddamn it, that's the way I get to play. But at the same time, I can understand a designer looking at that and thinking, "jeez, aren't there more interesting things we could do with the game than swimming?"
Like, either you greatly expand the abilities usefulness, which means drastic redesigns on most of the levels and probably also game mechanics, or just get rid of it entirely. Roll the advantages of swimming, like access to extra items or advantageous routes through the levels, into some other skill.
To me, that's not dumbing down. That's prioritizing resources. I think that makes sense. I think that probably ends up producing a tighter game.
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VaLiancY said:
Tanks! I love listening to this kind of stuff, whenever I'm running.
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EviLore said:
I think managing to sneak around and catch four enemies unaware should be considered skillful. At least that's how I assume it would go.
jim-jam bongs
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Swimming isn't the problem in itself though, it's the fact that there aren't enough places to use it. It could be a great supporting skill (like potion finding on Barbarians) if there were sweet caches of loot all over the game rather than just a handful of spots.
The hard part is that kind of skill needs to be supported all over the place. If you want a "treasure-hunter" build to be viable, you need to make cash important, meaning that items need to be designed around the fact that a weak character with a lot of cash needs to be able to get just as far as the poor character who is carrying a very big stick. It's the eternal problem of build viability, I don't think a single game in history has managed to make every build viable.
Ah right, well that might explain it. Have another think about it once you've finished the game.
The hard part is that kind of skill needs to be supported all over the place. If you want a "treasure-hunter" build to be viable, you need to make cash important, meaning that items need to be designed around the fact that a weak character with a lot of cash needs to be able to get just as far as the poor character who is carrying a very big stick. It's the eternal problem of build viability, I don't think a single game in history has managed to make every build viable.
ColonelColon said:
Ah right, well that might explain it. Have another think about it once you've finished the game.
rollingstart
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Yasae said:
well, that sounds bad, unless it was for demo purposes.
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