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Deus Ex Human Revolution E3 demo impressions
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â Narayan
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Yeah. He's great.
ColonelColon said:
No, you're right, there really isn't much that really affects the main story. Characters (mostly in the UNATCO section of the game) will respond differently to what you've done or add extra lines for some things, but the story by and large proceeds along the same as always. Sure you can kill the NPCs that aren't immune to bullets, but it doesn't affect much besides maybe eliminating an encounter in the future.
There are multiple endings, but what you do in the game has no bearing on which one you get.
Everything they're saying is getting me very hyped (specially the atmosphere, exploration, NPC interaction, multiple path stuff) but...
The 3rd person flashy autotakedowns of multiple foes just by getting into position and pressing a button seems like awful new era of gaming garbage. I don't wanna walk into a room and see the obvious way the devs want me to stealth kill a group of enemies. I want to have to work for it, watching the paths of multiple enemies for a good while, trying to find the few seconds when they are alone or trying to lure them away from the rest, planning from a safe distance, then executing it all flawlessly. I hope those just rare, prominent in this demo just to please the press.
...this. Surprised there aren't more people agreeing with this.EviLore said:
The 3rd person flashy autotakedowns of multiple foes just by getting into position and pressing a button seems like awful new era of gaming garbage. I don't wanna walk into a room and see the obvious way the devs want me to stealth kill a group of enemies. I want to have to work for it, watching the paths of multiple enemies for a good while, trying to find the few seconds when they are alone or trying to lure them away from the rest, planning from a safe distance, then executing it all flawlessly. I hope those just rare, prominent in this demo just to please the press.
DigitalDevil
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I am really excited for this 
Haters gonna hate, etc.. but seriously. If they can even recapture 70% of the magic that was the original Deus Ex, and combine it with modern graphics I will be a happy camper.
Haters gonna hate, etc.. but seriously. If they can even recapture 70% of the magic that was the original Deus Ex, and combine it with modern graphics I will be a happy camper.
and so will all of you. quit splittin' hairs
Come now man. Getting in the position to perform the stylish takedowns they mention in article takes skill.EviLore said:
The combat in Deus Ex and similar games like Vampire the Masquerade were ass. Gunplay was crap in these games and the actions that the characters could perform never lived up what the devs were selling. I hoping I can build a stealth character in this game that has super speed, jumping ability and can scale buildings in seconds.
VibratingDonkey
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I stopped playing at the part where waves of malkavians would repeatedly beat my socially adept toreador to death within a couple of seconds. Also because the game decided to start crashing instantly on load. I didn't really mind.Yasae said:
Great game up until that point though.
Larson Conway
Member
WHERE ARE TEH FOOTAGE??
PedroLumpy
Member
For those prodding people in the original Deus Ex, zap them in the ankles. Silly I know, but if I remember correctly it's a one shot knockout.
Fun Factor
Formerly FTWer
UrbanRats said:
Yeah, how was the framerate, jaggies, fluidity of the aiming etc...
Letters said:
In most games, I'd agree completely, but Deus Ex was as much an RPG as a shooter, so it has to have gameplay rewards that are based on character progression, not player skill progression.
Ideally, someone who didn't upgrade their stealth abilities will have to play just the way you described. Someone else who put a lot of XP into stealth, otoh, should be able to deal with the same situation much more quickly and easily.
lorddarkflare
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thetrin said:
I just started a new run about an hour ago and this is so true.
I do not remember the game's gunplay being this bad to be honest...
I might quit soon too. I think that I prefer talking about the game and its design than experiencing it. The poor art/VA/writing/combat is getting to me...
lorddarkflare
Banned
Blizzard said:So wait, what's good about the game then? Level design?
:lol
It is funny really, the games general openness is what makes it such a revolutionary work. The RPG systems play into that as well.
But it fails in most other ways. Lucky enough, it is the only game on the market of its kind so it will continue to be revered until a better game does what it did (I can guarantee you that this game will not come in our lifetime).
major_killjoy
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lorddarkflare said:
Everyone, into the Delorean!
lorddarkflare said:
Well, considering the gaming industry thrives on zero creativity sequels, and shitty ass FPS's with regenerating health. You might be right. Games haven't evolved past System Shock 2, and Deus Ex really, and that was 10-12 years ago. Sad when you think about it, that creativity was at an all time high, and the best video card back then was a fucking GEFORCE 2. I guess creativity makes up for a lack of technology in those days, and we got good games. Now people just let the tech talk with copy and paste mechanics, and hope for the best.
Timekiller
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HARD TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT? Oh god, this is making me puke.
And funny thing is that, when i complained about the fact that in the CG trailer you could already clearly see this coming, some guys even dealt me some sarcasm.
Releasing a ton of shells that fly and explode in the middle of four enemies? Blades out of his elbows? Oh god, this is the most PATHETIC thing i've ever heard.
Ok, does anyone have a link to the thread where we discussed why videogames are still a medium for a niche of nerds? :lol
ps. In bold, the pant-pissing moments of this sad ruffian PR-non-PR journalist
â Narayan
Member
Why in Hell do we not have gameplay footage of any kind?
Square-Enix
previews said it's not polished enough, that's why
Timekiller
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onken said:
Yeah, you can choose between lethal and non lethal. There's no violent and non-violent, it's just violent or ultra-violent.
*Lethal kills the guard.
*Non-Lethal, such as a hard knock on the guard's head with an iron bat, knocks the guard out, and you'll rapidly walk away.
Unfortunately, you'll miss the rest of it: the knock sends the guard in a coma. If the guard will ever wake up, he'll be stuck on a wheelchair for the rest of his life, he'll be forced to watch cheap pornos during the night thinking how great it was to lay in intimacy with his wife, and will shed a tear from the barbecue spot when his only child will start running around in the garden and he won't be there chasing him. Unfortunately, you'll never end up being confronted with this in a leter level, you'll be somewhere else, busy doing one-button stylish slowmotion ultra-somersault bayonetta-style dropkicks like a motherfucker. :lol
Found these previews from someone from the official forums:
"Some points I haven't seen mentioned yet here, thanks to GetWellGamers on SA:
- There's an inventory, and they said you had to manage it with items having relative sizes, which is cool.
- One of the loading tips talked about "Stop!worms", which is apparently a consumable that would let you essentially pause the countermeasure timer when hacking.
- You can eavesdrop on or initiate conversations to get side-quests, which you'll have a logbook/journal to keep track of.
- Dialogue menus are presented in general terms a la Mass Effect, but when you highlight the response it previews the entire response, which I really like. I hated having to guess the specifics of what I'm about to say.
- I didn't get any sort of "mini-game" vibe from the dialogue, not even any real time limit like Mass Effect or Alpha Protocol. They just hung out 'till you answered.
- You can drag bodies away to hide them. Minor, but I always liked doing it in DX. Also enjoyed tossing them into things/places that would gib them- hopefully the trend continues.
- Looking around corners/cover looked really great. You can really see a good bit down the way from where you're peeping into without exposing yourself. Again, minor, but it's one of those things that always bug me.
- Vent-crawling is still a staple of infiltration, which for those of us fond of ghost runs is a welcome addition.
- People react if you're walking around with your gun unholstered. Civvies will put their hands up or flee.
- Lots of classic augs- see through walls, cloaking, strength augs, jumping augs... They were playing on infinite Bioelectric and infinite health, though, so who knows.
- Lethal and non-lethal stealth takedowns, but disappointingly: "You can go through the whole game without killing anyone except the boss characters"
- Apparently the weapon mods are still in, though they were cagey as to whether they'd stack like the accuracy, reload, etc. mods from the first one.
And from ImpAtom's impressions, also on SA:
- Codes can be entered manually, but if you have the code, it pops up on the side of the screen.
- The crate carrying animation is literally identical to Deus Ex's, see-through crate and all.
- There seemed to be multiple paths through the levels, but we'll see how that actually pans out.
- NPCs talked and gave you hints about stuff without having to talk to them. In general, it seemed pretty good to me. I did think the dialogue sequence they showed off could have used more interaction, but I'll survive.
- You change outfits if you're going to be dropped off in a combat area, but you can still fight in the trenchcoat and such in public areas. The coat is just to hide your cybernetics/mechanical parts better. You basically put on something besides sensible combat gear when you're in public areas and put on something logical when you know you're going into combat. They told me that you don't suddenly change when you get into a fight or something.
- In the demo I saw, the guy got pretty badly injured. It looks like a fairly standard health regeneration system, so if that gives you hives, I don't think there is much you can do.
- I didn't like the takedown animations in the slightest, which was probably my overall largest complaint about the demo. The cover system felt weird, but that was more my preconceptions about Deus Ex then actual flaws with the system, at least from the demo.
- Everything else looked... well, basically pretty Deus Exy. I don't think it's going to win over the people who complaint that (x) and (z) just isn't Deus Ex because it's different, but it seemed to be doing a lot more right then it did wrong. I thought the bomb-explosion aug looked pretty damn ridiculous though, and not really in a good way."
"Some points I haven't seen mentioned yet here, thanks to GetWellGamers on SA:
- There's an inventory, and they said you had to manage it with items having relative sizes, which is cool.
- One of the loading tips talked about "Stop!worms", which is apparently a consumable that would let you essentially pause the countermeasure timer when hacking.
- You can eavesdrop on or initiate conversations to get side-quests, which you'll have a logbook/journal to keep track of.
- Dialogue menus are presented in general terms a la Mass Effect, but when you highlight the response it previews the entire response, which I really like. I hated having to guess the specifics of what I'm about to say.
- I didn't get any sort of "mini-game" vibe from the dialogue, not even any real time limit like Mass Effect or Alpha Protocol. They just hung out 'till you answered.
- You can drag bodies away to hide them. Minor, but I always liked doing it in DX. Also enjoyed tossing them into things/places that would gib them- hopefully the trend continues.
- Looking around corners/cover looked really great. You can really see a good bit down the way from where you're peeping into without exposing yourself. Again, minor, but it's one of those things that always bug me.
- Vent-crawling is still a staple of infiltration, which for those of us fond of ghost runs is a welcome addition.
- People react if you're walking around with your gun unholstered. Civvies will put their hands up or flee.
- Lots of classic augs- see through walls, cloaking, strength augs, jumping augs... They were playing on infinite Bioelectric and infinite health, though, so who knows.
- Lethal and non-lethal stealth takedowns, but disappointingly: "You can go through the whole game without killing anyone except the boss characters"
- Apparently the weapon mods are still in, though they were cagey as to whether they'd stack like the accuracy, reload, etc. mods from the first one.
And from ImpAtom's impressions, also on SA:
- Codes can be entered manually, but if you have the code, it pops up on the side of the screen.
- The crate carrying animation is literally identical to Deus Ex's, see-through crate and all.
- There seemed to be multiple paths through the levels, but we'll see how that actually pans out.
- NPCs talked and gave you hints about stuff without having to talk to them. In general, it seemed pretty good to me. I did think the dialogue sequence they showed off could have used more interaction, but I'll survive.
- You change outfits if you're going to be dropped off in a combat area, but you can still fight in the trenchcoat and such in public areas. The coat is just to hide your cybernetics/mechanical parts better. You basically put on something besides sensible combat gear when you're in public areas and put on something logical when you know you're going into combat. They told me that you don't suddenly change when you get into a fight or something.
- In the demo I saw, the guy got pretty badly injured. It looks like a fairly standard health regeneration system, so if that gives you hives, I don't think there is much you can do.
- I didn't like the takedown animations in the slightest, which was probably my overall largest complaint about the demo. The cover system felt weird, but that was more my preconceptions about Deus Ex then actual flaws with the system, at least from the demo.
- Everything else looked... well, basically pretty Deus Exy. I don't think it's going to win over the people who complaint that (x)
and (z) just isn't Deus Ex because it's different, but it seemed to be doing a lot more right then it did wrong. I thought the bomb-explosion aug looked pretty damn ridiculous though, and not really in a good way."Servizio
I don't really need a tag, but I figured I'd get one to make people jealous. Is it working?
^ Those are some surprisingly positive bullet points.
If they have the level design chops to back it up, this could actually be something I'd be comfortable calling a real sequel.
I really hope they commit to giving consequence to your upgrade choices and inventory management. In a weird way, those were the things that really mattered in games like System Shock 2 and Deus Ex, the "If I do this, I can't do this" scenarios.
Hey, that reminds; who the hell is Eidos Montreal? Reading up on the Wiki page, it looks like they were formed just to develop Deus Ex (and maybe Thief 4? Not sure) and it'll be their first retail title. Anyone know who's actually working on this and what their resume reads like? I guess I could search down the names in the trailers credits, but meh, effort.
If they have the level design chops to back it up, this could actually be something I'd be comfortable calling a real sequel.
I really hope they commit to giving consequence to your upgrade choices and inventory management. In a weird way, those were the things that really mattered in games like System Shock 2 and Deus Ex, the "If I do this, I can't do this" scenarios.
Hey, that reminds; who the hell is Eidos Montreal? Reading up on the Wiki page, it looks like they were formed just to develop Deus Ex (and maybe Thief 4? Not sure) and it'll be their first retail title. Anyone know who's actually working on this and what their resume reads like? I guess I could search down the names in the trailers credits, but meh, effort.
I want to be hyped, but I can't help but be suspicious. First time developer + big CG video for E3 but no gameplay footage. It sounds decent in impressions, anyway.
Yep. And if you've followed Epic Mickey at all you can see that Spector seems to be having the time of his life with the project. He's evidently a massive Disney geek.thetrin said:
rollingstart
Banned
hot stuff
I wonder how codes are now for consoles? like, do you do the contra code or is it a number pad?
Pinko Marx
Banned
Jenga said:Mmm, the regen health and insta-win buttons still annoy me, but everything else sounds great
Its not an insta-win button, hush yourself.
rollingstart
Banned
Jenga said:Mmm, the regen health and insta-win buttons still annoy me, but everything else sounds great
yeah, I will admit that hearing that it has a standard health regen system is a bit weak. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt and thinking they would have something along the lines of Far Cry 2 or Riddick where minor injuries regenerate, but any serious damage is lasting until you properly treat yourself.
Pinko Marx
Banned
Jenga said:
Like has been said before, if you have to use stealth, which incorporates a set of skills (patience, timing, observation, etc.), to creep up to someone without getting spotted, then its not insta-win. I could see if all you had to do was run up to someone and mash A, but that doesn't seem to be the case. These are stealth take downs, meaning the enemy can't be aware of your presence.
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