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Deus Ex: Mankind Divided review embargo lifts on 8/19
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This literal minute.
Mushroomer25
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Oh God, I forgot all about that mess.
Review thread by Volotaire; http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1266111
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Pretty much. And I don't want to excuse optimisation issues, but folk need to utterly abandon the console-like approach to PC building, where owning X gpu/hardware configuration warrants a standard of performance and graphical settings across all games.
That's not how it works, nor ever has. Every engine is different. Assets are different. And config settings adopt different standards. "I want to max out games and hit 60fps" is a disastrous approach to PC hardware purchases and gaming.
EG I really adore Frostbite. Battlefront and Battlefield 4 look and run great. But the latter has very specific rooms and assets that'll eat 15-20fps alone. Entirely because of complex transparency mapping with fog/light/smoke assets on ultra settings.
Without knowing exactly what Deus Ex is doing on ultra it's impossible to say what's killing performance.
IMO it is good if game has really high end visual settings that require lots of processing. Higher framerates can be acheved easily with just few things being brought lower [and true master race users with insane rigs will have a new goal to push toward].
I trust that Nixxes has done great job optimizing this game, and adding new visual features that are not in console version [they did great job on adding additional visual stuff on TRDE].
Yes, well, I'll be going at my own pace as with any game and that invariably means i will be slow
Cpt.Underpants
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Can you activate gmg keys on steam?
zerodeefex
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Welp, time to pull out the 1080p display and put my catleap away for a while.
Yes, the PC version is Steamworks, so wherever you get a key from, it'll activate on Steam.
Edit: Still no keys from GMG.
Though it's only just gone 2pm in the UK.This is such a nonsense argument. This is performance at ultra settings, console versions run at medium are limited to 30FPS.
You really think that the alternative to not being able to play at 60FPS/ultra is to play on consoles at 30FPS/medium ? When you can get 60FPS/medium even with a mid level GPU...even when the games run bad you end up with better than console performance in every case unless the game is buggy and crashes a lot.
digitalrelic
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Looks like great reviews so far.
dgrdsv
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Yeah, actually this may just be Bloom =)
Took another look at the DX11 vs DX12 and noticed that Pascal cards are the only ones which actually get ~1 fps from DX12 while the rest of the bunch including all Radeons loose some 30%.
Sometimes going for ultra settings kills performance compared to high or medium simply because they start using full resolution version of the techniques used, sometimes it might as well be due to just one setting....that kind of gulf in performance is understandable. It's funny how if the game ran at a high framerate on your usual GPU everyone would be like "This isn't pushing anything at all" and if it causes lower than expected performance on ultra then it becomes "Unoptimised trash". You can't have both...
All that matters is how it looks at a glance..and it looks like a PS3 game. Unoptimised piece of shit. Pre order cancelled !
Yautja_Warrior
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A Recommended from EuroGamer. Reviews seem in line with what I expected from this. Looking forward to playing this a lot.
It's probably very likely, an educated guess would say.
Sad!
(Sorry, been reading too much US politics stuff).
Ah, well, my internet is crappy, so I'll have to pre-load and live with the Day 1 Patch if there is one.
Dictator93
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System used in the video for context:
Intel Core i7 6700K 4.00 GHz
16 GB DDR4 RAM
Palit GeForce GTX 980 Ti Super Jetstream 6GB
MSI Z170A PC Mate Mainboard
Windows 10 Pro 64bit
Exactly.
Lol
Based on these shots below, I feel that PS4 might be missing POM. I say might because I am not sure. It does have parallax mapping obviously but POM? I don't know. But it may be that the real reason why the cobblestones looks a bit undefined and unshadowed is because of lower resolution and ack of proper texture filtering. Regardless, this looks overdone like so many other games that do Parallax mapped ground...I wouldn't want to be driving or walking on that surface
Exactly.
FYI before you all jump to conclusions.....this is the actual comparison
PC at 4K
PS4 at 1080P
The Janitor
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The frame rate difference at 1:22 between high and ultra is huge. But the visual difference isn't.
The Janitor
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I think that's the sharpening filter.
Dictator93
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Sharpening. First thing I am turning off. It is giving objects outlines.
Based on these shots below, I feel that PS4 might be missing POM. I say might because I am not sure. It does have parallax mapping obviously but POM? I don't know. But it may be that the real reason why the cobblestones looks a bit undefined and unshadowed is because of lower resolution and ack of proper texture filtering. Regardless, this looks overdone like so many other games that do Parallax mapped ground...I wouldn't want to be driving or walking on that surface
Hard to tell what the exact difference on foreground displacement, but near complete lack of AF is not helping. Also, you should come to berlin... some streets look quite a lot like that
plasmawave
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It's weird to see Deus Ex game in a day time setting.
Any idea of possible impact on FPS?
Dictator93
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like 0. It is a very simple post process.
I mean that's how it is with every game these days, ultra setting is just high settings but with effects rendered at a higher precision/resolution..and medium is just high with even lower precision/resolution with some effects like SSR, SSS and POM disabled.
Ultra is purely for satisfying the enthusiasts than anything else.
Disappointing that console version don't allow you to do that.
Any effect that has 0 or close to 0 hit on performance should be a toggle, especially if the PC version provides it and even more if it's subjective like CA and sharpening.
Perhaps bugging Eidos on twitter can lead to a patch that includes the option?
Can't even login to GMG to check for some reason :/Yes, the PC version is Steamworks, so wherever you get a key from, it'll activate on Steam.
Edit: Still no keys from GMG.
E: Oh wow, these benchmarks look horrible. No wonder the game was sold at 40% off before release LOL
Ah, cool.
Am I stupid or does he not mention resolution at all?
Wicked. Then it's purely a preference thing. I'll leave it on to start and see whether I like it or not.
Did I miss it?
Angelus Errare
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Low with AO enabled + SMAA seems like it'll be a good visual experience for those with low end GPUs
Just a dude with a "Horizon Zero Dawn" avatar shitposting about PC graphics comparison while saying he is waiting for the PS4 Neo version of the game
lol
Oh. There it is http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=214226739&postcount=340
no no I know who it is, he is a mega ps fan. I just missed the post is what I'm saying.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Was news to me too
If one believes GAF posts then every single game coming out now or in near future will have Neo patch no matter what. We have no idea what Neo can actually do, but it's already best thing since sliced bread.
Kenzodielocke
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Whatever, I've seen dumb posts on every side. It's just not worth it to pay attention.
Dictator93
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Yeah, it would be nice if they did. BUt there are also admittedly different expectations on average among console players and PC players that may not show up in focus / QA tests.
Nonetheless, it would not hurt to try somewhere.
Kudo
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For how people were praising Nixxes I was expecting a great port, but 30fps with 980 Ti on Ultra at 1080p? That raises some alarms.
Glad I got it for cheap though, I can live with less stellar experience, just hoping GTX 1070 can at least run High 1440p/60fps.
Maybe there'll be day one patch to fix optimization? Who knows.
Glad I got it for cheap though, I can live with less stellar experience, just hoping GTX 1070 can at least run High 1440p/60fps.
Maybe there'll be day one patch to fix optimization? Who knows.
With games like Division allowing you to adjust sharpening and turn off CA and Doom allowing you to change motion blur settings or outright disable it and change FoV I saw it as a good sign.
What if....the ultra settings really are that demanding? Why don't people consider that option? It is also the most likely answer considering the gulf you see in performance between ultra and high.
It doesn't matter if it looks more or less the same as high, because that's what Ultra settings are really for they are basically high settings at maximum resolution for effects and that can be a performance killer. Full resolution shadows, reflections and volumetric lights for instance will tank performance even with the most powerful hardware.
dgrdsv
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If the video above is a proper indication you should be able to double that with close to none quality loss by going from Ultra to High though.
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