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Develop: Sony studios have started PS4 projects, Xbox Next aiming for 2013 launch
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Wandering Leopard
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DieH@rd said:
Indeed. Although the Vita isn't actually out yet there're just so many 'right' decisions with the device at this point that the PS4 should be everything people dream about - well, unless you have unrealistic dreams for next gen.
FlyingTeacup
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after playing GOW3, i don't know about santa monica...
OldJadedGamer
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mrklaw said:
I see the opposite and Sony charging for online next gen with PSN+.
Opus Angelorum
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OldJadedGamer said:
I think this is all but guaranteed.
-Pyromaniac-
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I still think it's far-fetched at this point. I could see them charging for literally every other online feature, but not the ability to play online. They aren't in a position to make that change yet. Now if they beat the 360 this generation by a notable amount, then it would be guaranteed, but that's not the case. They really need the differentiation.Opus Angelorum said:
H_Prestige
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Sony doesn't charge for ps3 online, is not charging for vita online, but somehow it is all but guaranteed they will charge for ps4? I know some of you secretly want this to aid in your little console bullet point wars, but at least keep your dreams to yourself until there is some real life evidence pointing towards this happening.
If Sony is going to be late then they better have better tech with better tools.
I don't want to wait years for multi-platform games to be similar.
Weird but I can't wait for PS4 after the disappointment of the PS3 launch, I really do think they will get their act together for PS4.
I don't want to wait years for multi-platform games to be similar.
Weird but I can't wait for PS4 after the disappointment of the PS3 launch, I really do think they will get their act together for PS4.
Opus Angelorum
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H_Prestige said:
I'm certainly fighting no war. Just an informed opinion.
I don't think free on-line play is actually that big of a draw any more, not in regards to console choice.
H_Prestige
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I don't think it matters much right now since people have already invested into a 360 or a ps3, so it's difficult to switch. New customers will most likely gravitate towards whatever system their friends play on.Opus Angelorum said:
But with new consoles they're starting from square one again. They have to build up a base from zero. And since all these new consoles will become more similar to each other in most ways, differences like free online vs $60/year online will become that much more magnified.
Phoenician_Viking
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Sony will definitely charge for online next generation. Sony sees how much MS is making with live and they want a piece of that. But there will be like 2 services imo. PSN, which is free, and PSN+ with Cross Game Chat and Party chat, + discounts and extra stuff. I don´t see Sony charging money for people to just play online. Sony does not want to alienate their base by charging to play online.H_Prestige said:
H_Prestige
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Well, that's what we're talking about here, charging for online play like MS does. PSN+ will stick around as it is now.Beam said:
Of course they would like that, but it doesn't mean they can without repercussions. MS has been charging from day one and is considered to offer the best service. Even then, it might not be so easy for them to keep doing that as the competition's services keep getting better and remain free to play online.
-Pyromaniac-
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like I said before, they do want to but they aren't in a position to.sleepykyo said:
OldJadedGamer
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H_Prestige said:
But they did charge for online gaming with the PS2 in some regions so it is not like it some alien concept to them. And the Vita isn't out yet. We don't know what they are doing but they have backtracked on using open memory so who knows what else will happen.
Opus Angelorum
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H_Prestige said:
I disagree.
Anyone who currently enjoys either the Xbox 360 or PS3 will more than likely purchase the next version of that console, unless the other is significantly different. And free on-line play, in my opinion is no longer significant enough.
The fact that the PS3 struggled to gain momentum until recently was down to cost of entry, the unique features (which would have sold it) were made null and void.
Do you actually know of anyone who had chosen to purchase a PS3 over an Xbox 360 purely because of free on-line play? I'd suggest things like cost of entry, library of games and networking abilities are the deciding factors.
Syphon Filter
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People thought they would charge for ps3 and it didn't happen. They won't charge for ps4 either.OldJadedGamer said:
H_Prestige
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Who said vita would use open memory?OldJadedGamer said:
And with ps2, there was no such thing as psn. There was no central service that every game was tied to so I don't think it is relevant. Everything was handled by the individual publisher.
electroshockwave
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Microsoft has charged for online from the start and effectively conditioned their customers to be okay with this. I don't think after having their users be used to free online on the PS3/Vita that at the start of the next generation Sony will be able to just tell everyone to pay up and not have this backfire on them. I could imagine they would have some type of Premium service but wouldn't be able to lock online play behind a fee.
OldJadedGamer
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Syphon Filter said:
They used open memory for PSP and PS3 but closed off memory for Vita. They can backtrack on previous decisions whenever they want.
H_Prestige said:
Regardless, fact remains that Sony themselves charged to play their games online in some regions with the PS2.
Opus Angelorum
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electroshockwave said:
Do you honestly think anyone would not purchase a PS4 because Sony began charging for on-line play? Really?
The success of the Xbox 360 suggests otherwise.
-Pyromaniac-
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might as well just get a 360 then. I'm sure lots of people will think that. Unless you have cold hard facts that the majority won't care if they did it and would still buy it over the 360/wii-u then it's all speculation.Opus Angelorum said:
electroshockwave
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Yes? I don't know if I would absolutely never buy a PS4 but I refuse to pay for online play and without online it would be much less appealing to me. I'd probably switch to PC gaming as my main platform as that happened, assuming that MS continued to charge and Nintendo remained shit for online and third party support.Opus Angelorum said:
H_Prestige
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MS and Sony aren't going to have it that easy that they can just assume they get 55 million customers right off the bat. Just like not every ps2 owner upgraded to the ps3.Opus Angelorum said:
I don't know anyone personally, but I would bet there were people who went with ps3 because of free online. I know on gaf there are multiplatform owners who do all their online gaming on ps3 purely because it's free and gets the job done.
Regarding cost of entry, library, etc. that's basically my point. This gen 360 and ps3 are already pretty darn similar in those aspects, and next gen they will converge even more. So while cost, games, and networking were advantages for MS this time, it's very likely they won't be next gen.
OldJadedGamer
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-Pyromaniac- said:
Isn't the main draw of Sony systems the first party games?
-Pyromaniac-
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it's all a package. In the end though Sony needs momentum, and sorry but you don't create momentum by starting to charge for something. MS already has crazy momentum so they can pretty much shit on your face at the cash register and most people would still buy it. Sony can't do that right now. I'm sure they want to, and if they were in a better position they would definitely do it. But I don't think that is now or next gen, at least not at launch...OldJadedGamer said:
Opus Angelorum
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H_Prestige said:
And there are plenty (including myself) who own both and do all of their on-line gaming on the Xbox 360. That is a moot point.
H_Prestige
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Well you asked if I knew anyone who did that.Opus Angelorum said:
probably should post this in this thread too.
From the Windows Phone 7 thread.
What does PU stand for?
From the Windows Phone 7 thread.
What does PU stand for?
Opus Angelorum
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H_Prestige said:
Anyone who purchased a PS3 over an Xbox 360 because of free on-line, not choosing between the two once purchased. I digress.
Phoenician_Viking
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With regard to the price, i don´t think the Nextbox and the PS4 will cost more than $400. MS and Sony will not sell their hardware and take a loss on them.
H_Prestige
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But that's not really a much better situation for MS. Yeah, you bought their system and maybe some exclusive games, but if you're buying most of your games for ps3 and not paying for Live, then that's lost money for MS they would have otherwise gotten if not for the competition.Opus Angelorum said:
Opus Angelorum
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wwm0nkey said:
That's worth a new thread.
bgassassin
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Opus Angelorum said:
That's what I said in the other thread he posted it in.
Beam said:
I see them targeting a breakeven on hardware. Build something with a wholesale target of $399 and retail it for $399.
They always have codenames. Seriously doubt loop as final.
Anyhow, Live is probably around $875 million per year now(17.5M gold at $50 on average rate). Gold subs have pretty much run about half of what Live total membership has run this gen. So the estimate is probably not too far off. With the rate of growth $1 billion in Live subs is probably close to reality come next year. Who knows by time next gen starts. I would say it would be hard for any of the console makers to pass up that kind of money next gen because the return is obviously very high.
Anyhow, Live is probably around $875 million per year now(17.5M gold at $50 on average rate). Gold subs have pretty much run about half of what Live total membership has run this gen. So the estimate is probably not too far off. With the rate of growth $1 billion in Live subs is probably close to reality come next year. Who knows by time next gen starts. I would say it would be hard for any of the console makers to pass up that kind of money next gen because the return is obviously very high.