The most likely story is that at that point in time Arno and three other assassins attacked someone.So explain to me how 4 Arnos is accurate then, please.
There isn't 4 Arnos, because it doesn't show 3 other Arnos running around all together.
You're Arno on your screen, they're Arno on their screen.
They appear as one of the other 3 guys, you appear as one of the other 3 guys.
Same thing in Watch Dogs with an invader seeing himself as Aiden and you as an NPC, and you seeing yourself as Aiden and the invader as an NPC.
The most likely story is that at that point in time Arno and three other assassins attacked someone.
-Someone already explained it using Watch Dogs as an example. In YOUR game during Online race you can as Aiden vs 7 other fixers. Same for someone else's game. Same logic applies here.
They didn't say "oh that's factually four Arnos doing this." Please stop misinterpreting the logic and interviews. I legitimately have a headache explaining these things.
It's a criticism isn't it? That's an attack. And yes if a dev gets criticized for DRM, microtransactions, buggy launches, whatever, then they are being attacked.But what exactly makes you percieve this as an attack?
The difference being that in Watch_Dogs other players can appear as female.The most likely story is that at that point in time Arno and three other assassins attacked someone.
-Someone already explained it using Watch Dogs as an example. In YOUR game during Online race you can as Aiden vs 7 other fixers. Same for someone else's game. Same logic applies here.
They didn't say "oh that's factually four Arnos doing this." Please stop misinterpreting the logic and interviews. I legitimately have a headache explaining these things.
Exactly, so why can't any of them be female?
Exactly, so why can't any of them be female?
Because it would either be halfassed as in a skin or require too much work for something the player would never see.Exactly, so why can't any of them be female?
Because the animations would be bad and the outfits aren't made for females and neither are ANY of the animations. How hard is it to understand? Seriously, i've stated this multiple times to you specifically and yet you can't seem to grasp this simple fact,Exactly, so why can't any of them be female?
Exactly, so why can't any of them be female?
On top of that, what the fuck is the point if you can't even see your female co-op character?
Yea, and I don't know about you, but I find that it's quite immersion breaking to see a chubby woman doing the same moves as Aiden. And the difference is also that the animation quality in this game surpasses watch dogs.The difference being that in Watch_Dogs other players can appear as female.
I'd like to seen more minority representation as well. When was the last time an East Asian, male or female, was the lead character in a game? Sleeping Dogs is the only one that comes to mind.
Exactly, so why can't any of them be female?
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In AC: Brotherhood and Revelations you could recruit female assassins who had their own armour (with multiple options) and voices. It wasn't too much work back then.Because the animations would be bad and the outfits aren't made for females and neither are ANY of the animations. How hard is it to understand? Seriously, i've stated this multiple times to you specifically and yet you can't seem to grasp this simple fact,
Not during seamless MP and their animations and rigs were much simpler than this, not only that. But they also displayed on screen as a female. That's not the case here, so it's an invalid argument. This game is NOT ACB or ACR. This is AC:Unity. The development is not the same. The games are not the same. In fact, i'll list the difference so that people can stop trying to use ACB and ACR as a valid argument.In AC: Brotherhood and Revelations and III you could recruit female assassins who had their own armour (with multiple options) and voices. It wasn't too much work back then.
So are you over on the Watchdog thread complaining that the Co-op is stupid because your character can appear as a woman during multiplayer?
Look, you can badgers devs all day for not making games the way you want them to be, as others pointed out, gamers do it all time time across a whole host of different issues.
The difference with something like representivity in games is that it is also a social and political issue, and sites like Kotaku use it create negative and potentially damaging publicity for people who make these games.
That's clearly a bit different to whining about not having more multiplayer maps or whatever, and its a bit disingenuous of people to claim they are somehow the same thing.
I dislike the idea of hurling damaging accusations at people simply because they made the game they decided it was best to make. I see this has now hit the LA Times as well. Do people really feel happy about creating all this trouble for the people who made this game because of a lack of female co-op skins? It must be really frustrating to try and create in an environment like this.
It's a criticism isn't it? That's an attack. And yes if a dev gets criticized for DRM, microtransactions, buggy launches, whatever, then they are being attacked.
That's AI versus an actual player with a ton of possible weapon combinations and skills doing actions outside the scope of the AI. Plus its a new engine.In AC: Brotherhood and Revelations you could recruit female assassins who had their own armour (with multiple options) and voices. It wasn't too much work back then.
Because a narrative was set before production and it's a subjective issue at that?
People complain about representation in art across all mediums, including movies.Games are art. Art doesn't have to be justified, it doesn't have to be equal, it doesn't have to tick a box. It's art.
It's like the racism crap with the Far Cry 4 cover all over again. It's art!!!
We wouldn't be having this conversation about a movie franchise
Games are art. Art doesn't have to be justified, it doesn't have to be equal, it doesn't have to tick a box. It's art.
What narrative is preventing female assassins in co-op?
I always wonder how much people here would flip their shit if they saw what literature critics say about their favourite books.People complain about representation in art across all mediums, including movies.
This is actually an indication that video games are being treated as a serious medium for the first time. Serious mediums get critiqued for all sorts of reasons, including gender representation.
What are you even talking about? I like the co-op in Watch Dogs and the fact that you appear as some generic NPC to the other player's Aiden.
But the fact of the matter is, the animations in AC:U are on a whole 'nother level compared to those in Watch Dogs.
In Watch Dogs you're meant to appear as some generic civilian NPC, so seeing some fat guy/girl having the same movement set as Aiden is really weird and offputting.
You're putting words into my mouth with that statement.
Because for all we know, those 3 characters could be tied to Arno's story.
Oh right, well then that explains why none of them could have possibly been female.
It stands to reason that same feature would be pointless in another game as well.
I'm not saying that they were right in doing that, just that that was the way whoever wrote it wanted it to be (if this even turns out to be the case).
No narrative is preventing it. The GAMEPLAY is preventing it. We already explained this to you. Multiple people have explained this to you. There will most likely be a female assassin protagonist during the actual story. There always has been. Once again, Ubisoft never stated otherwise.I'm actually expecting for there to be at least one female assassin in the game, so I'm not gonna take 'animation was too hard' as a good response.
What narrative is preventing female assassins in co-op?
I'm not saying that they were right in doing that, just that that was the way whoever wrote it wanted it to be (if this even turns out to be the case).
No narrative is preventing it. The GAMEPLAY is preventing it. We already explained this to you. Multiple people have explained this to you. There will most likely be a female assassin protagonist during the actual story. There always has been. Once again, Ubisoft never stated otherwise.
If that is the reason, Ubisoft should have just come out and said it instead of hiding behind bs excuses. They would be getting far less flak now if they did.
That isn't the reason. They gave us the reason, which while valid they did a poor job on communicating.If that is the reason, Ubisoft should have just come out and said it instead of hiding behind bs excuses. They would be getting far less flak now if they did.
Games are art. Art doesn't have to be justified, it doesn't have to be equal, it doesn't have to tick a box. It's art.
It's like the racism crap with the Far Cry 4 cover all over again. It's art!!!
We wouldn't be having this conversation about a movie franchise
I'm not saying that they were right in doing that, just that that was the way whoever wrote it wanted it to be (if this even turns out to be the case).
It pretty much is pointless, essentially, because you can't see who you are.
I threw that in there just as a talking point. I mentioned in another post that perhaps the 3 characters were written as male and tied to Arno's story so that's why you can't customize your co-op character to be female.
I'm not defending that they are write for not making any of the 3 co-op characters female. But what I'm saying is with the way co-op is implemented, you would never see your own "customized" character anyway, so it is in essence pointless.
Then they've already done animations for a female assassin? How is gameplay preventing it then?
1.That female assassin who may or may not be in the game most likely isn't as complex a character from a technical perspective compared to Arno.Then they've already done animations for a female assassin? How is gameplay preventing it then?
Thank you!That doesn't mean they've replicated Arno's entire move set for any NPC females.
And why do you care so much that Kotaku uses this to get a couple of clicks?
1.That female assassin who may or may not be in the game most likely isn't as complex a character from a technical perspective compared to Arno.
2.Because you.always.play.as.ARNO.<---Please read this over and over until you understand it.
3.Do you not realize that other series see the outfit that you chose to wear in your game? Do you not understand that those outfits were made for a male character?
So a series whose premise is based on the fact that people are reliving past lives through a machine that relies upon genetic memory (which doesn't exist in real life) isn't too big of a leap, but "magic gender swapping" is?
Games are art. Art doesn't have to be justified, it doesn't have to be equal, it doesn't have to tick a box. It's art.
It's like the racism crap with the Far Cry 4 cover all over again. It's art!!!
We wouldn't be having this conversation about a movie franchise
This is a pointless semantic argument. If for you criticisms don't equate to attacks then we have a basic disagreement on language which we can talk about over PM or a grammar/english thread.Its never an attack
No one ever said that history has no female assassins. We just aren't playing as one of them.Exactly. The 'history has no female assassins' argument is hilarious.
So....the History Channel presents: The Assassin's Creed: political assassinations through time?Exactly. The 'history has no female assassins' argument is hilarious.
I mean we're only couple of steps away from a historically accurate Assassin's Creed. We only have to remove
Parkour
Wrist Blades
Animus
Assassins and Templars as actual conspiracies
Assassin uniforms which feature easily recognizable emblems and hoods
Racial memory
Ancient Astronaut alien things
Magic machines